Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread David Holland
Has Oracle changed its position with regards to patch availability for the freely available downloads of Solaris x86? Last I heard, patches were not available with out a support contract. ( Granted, HP is no better with its position towards VMS patches, but at least (last I checked) VMS wasn't

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Rhialto
On Sun 12 Jul 2015 at 11:27:56 -0500, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: OpenBSD has been on my radar, though I find all their versions and installation information really confusing. Some sources seem to indicate that OpenBSD runs and is supported on VAX as well as Alpha, but the versions referenced in

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Gary Lee Phillips
If you want to run on a VAX or Alpha, I don't think Linux even is an option. You'll have to go with some BSD. NetBSD and OpenBSD both have support, although if we talk VAXen, I think the support is slightly better in NetBSD. There is still Linux for Alpha, Johnny, though it's beginning to age

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-07-12 21:41, David Holland wrote: Has Oracle changed its position with regards to patch availability for the freely available downloads of Solaris x86? Last I heard, patches were not available with out a support contract. ( Granted, HP is no better with its position towards VMS

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Clement T. Cole
Open or Net BSD are likely to be you best bets on an Alpha and I can see advantages to each. As Johnny said NET is likely to be your best bet on a VAX. An issue with any of these will be limited to the GNU development suite [which also has pulses and minuses]. One thing I very much wonder is

Re: [Simh] HIstory.

2015-07-12 Thread pigi
Il 11/07/2015 22:39, Clem cole ha scritto: I used to program Vax serial #1 at CMU in the mid 1970s. I moved to Portland upon graduation in the late 1979s and at Tektronix I also programmed (and may have in kit/o/crap in the basement) the pre-68k that was not yet numbers (I might even have notes

Re: [Simh] VAX vectors

2015-07-12 Thread Rhialto
On Sat 11 Jul 2015 at 21:28:28 -0400, Clement T. Cole wrote: Not quite true. What started was a paper by an IBM fellow (John Cox). What John noted was that most of the 360/370 systems used a micro architecture below the basic 360 ISA. This micro architecture was I once saved a pile of

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Gary Lee Phillips
Thanks Clem and Johnny for at least confirming what I suspected. I worked with VMS on Vaxen in the 80s, At the time I wished for an opportunity to compare VMS with UNIX on the same hardware. In the 90s I worked with UNIX, mostly AIX on RS/6000. Today I mostly use Linux, though I have a couple of

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
El 12/07/2015, a les 13:52, Gary Lee Phillips tivo.ov...@gmail.com va escriure: I keep looking for a way to get a real UNIX going, hence the ULTRIX experiment. As far as I can tell, neither Tru64 nor HP-UX have any Wouln’t solaris qualify as a “real” UNIX?

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-07-12 13:52, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: Thanks Clem and Johnny for at least confirming what I suspected. I worked with VMS on Vaxen in the 80s, At the time I wished for an opportunity to compare VMS with UNIX on the same hardware. In the 90s I worked with UNIX, mostly AIX on RS/6000. Today

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Jan Vlach
Get OpenBSD. It's still supported on the alphas and it's genetic UNIX, it just can't be called like that. Jan On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 10:04:43AM -0500, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: As far as I know, Solaris these days only runs on Intel hardware. I've tried it there, and it seems to devote way too

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Gregg Levine
Hello! Solaris also runs on SPARC. I have it running here on that. And yes sadly Intel based Solaris is still a performance hog. But its nice to know someone else is out there. Welcome to the party Gary Lee Phillips. - Gregg C Levine gregg.drw...@gmail.com This signature fought the Time Wars,

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Gary Lee Phillips
As far as I know, Solaris these days only runs on Intel hardware. I've tried it there, and it seems to devote way too much processor power and memory to making pretty windowed screen displays (a weakness it shares with most Linux distributions.) I guess I didn't make it clear that I'm looking for

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Gary Lee Phillips
Also, no Solaris for the VAX or Alpha at all. OpenBSD has been on my radar, though I find all their versions and installation information really confusing. Some sources seem to indicate that OpenBSD runs and is supported on VAX as well as Alpha, but the versions referenced in VAX commentary

[Simh] DEC stuff and simh

2015-07-12 Thread Bill Cunningham
Will the software on this page run on simh? Is TU-58 supported? IF not can something else be used? This looks like some pretty good stuff. Bill http://iamvirtual.ca/VAX11/VAX-11-software.html___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com

Re: [Simh] DEC stuff and simh

2015-07-12 Thread Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm
The VAX750 and VAX730 simulators both have console TU58 support. On Jul 12, 2015 7:36 AM, Bill Cunningham bill...@suddenlink.net wrote: Will the software on this page run on simh? Is TU-58 supported? IF not can something else be used? This looks like some pretty good stuff. Bill