Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-05 Thread Tom Morris
I actually started to put together a toolchain to OCR the bitsavers documentation a few days ago. I'm not sure why Kevin mentioned MUMPS, but since MUMPS-11, the precursor to DSM-11 and VAX-11 DSM, was my first introduction to DEC kit, I was using the PDP-15 MUMPS manual as my test subject. I've

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-05 Thread Cory Smelosky
A lot of the TOPS-20 manuals are plain text, or at least TeX, so convertible. How do you use the simulators?do screen readers handle them well? I wonder how hard using expect to hook espeak/festival in to simh 's console system would be... Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 5, 2016, at 14:50,

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-05 Thread Cory Smelosky
Note: I have some TOPS-20 oddities so my documentation is slightly unusual... Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 5, 2016, at 22:57, Cory Smelosky wrote: > > A lot of the TOPS-20 manuals are plain text, or at least TeX, so convertible. > > How do you use the simulators?do screen

Re: [Simh] Panic while attempting to boot a NetBSD ISO

2016-02-05 Thread Wilm Boerhout
DUA1 (the one, not the letter L) Op zaterdag 6 februari 2016 heeft Gregg Levine het volgende geschreven: > Hello! > Okay here goes, I'm following these instructions: > https://www.netbsd.org/ports/vax/emulator-howto.html > > And I'm getting this response: > MicroVAX 3900

Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)

2016-02-05 Thread Paul Koning
> On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Will Senn wrote: > > All, > > A couple of questions: > > ... > lib/mac/c tin tin > macro et2/list/cross+tin.mlb/lib > ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 > DK:ET2,DK:ET2/C=DK:ET2,DK:TIN.SML Try putting the macro library earlier in the command

Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)

2016-02-05 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2016-02-05 17:20, Paul Koning wrote: On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Will Senn wrote: All, A couple of questions: ... lib/mac/c tin tin macro et2/list/cross+tin.mlb/lib ?MACRO-E-Errors detected: 2 DK:ET2,DK:ET2/C=DK:ET2,DK:TIN.SML Try putting the macro library

[Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)

2016-02-05 Thread Will Senn
All, A couple of questions: 1. Do any of y'all know where there is a working example of an assembly language program that includes a user defined macro in a library file? 2. Can you tell me what I'm doing wrong with this simple macro example? Here's what I tried (that didn't work) after

Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)

2016-02-05 Thread Nelson H. F. Beebe
Will Senn asks on Fri, 5 Feb 2016 09:48:14 -0600 about macros in RT11. I have a copy of this book on my shelf @String{pub-PH = "Pren{\-}tice-Hall"} @String{pub-PH:adr = "Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458, USA"} @Book{Eckhouse:1979:MSO, author =

Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)

2016-02-05 Thread Paul Koning
> On Feb 5, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > > ... > Also, there might be some issues (possibly) since you use + to provide > several files. I *think* that the '+' operator in general would imply that > the files are concatenated together, and a comma might be a

Re: [Simh] Fwd: Oregon Pascal tape found

2016-02-05 Thread Johnny Billquist
I actually have 2.1E for RSX already, but I would like to know what the legal status is, before I make it generally available. Johnny On 2016-02-05 19:25, John H. Reinhardt wrote: On the ClassicCmp list. given the recent discussion it might be of interest to someone - if you can

[Simh] Fwd: Oregon Pascal tape found

2016-02-05 Thread John H. Reinhardt
On the ClassicCmp list. given the recent discussion it might be of interest to someone - if you can read the magtape. John H. Reinhardt Forwarded Message Subject: Oregon Pascal tape found Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 17:22:59 +0100 (CET) From: E. Groenenberg

Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)

2016-02-05 Thread Timothe Litt
Try the obvious: lib/mac/list tin.mlb I don't remember exactly, but I think there's a /detail or /names or /list=names that will list the macro names in the library. That will at least determine if MAC *should* find the macro. On 05-Feb-16 13:05, Will Senn wrote: > > > On 2/5/16 10:20 AM, Paul

Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)

2016-02-05 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2016-02-05 19:33, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2016-02-05 19:28, Paul Koning wrote: On Feb 5, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: ... Also, there might be some issues (possibly) since you use + to provide several files. I *think* that the '+' operator in general

Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)

2016-02-05 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2016-02-05 19:28, Paul Koning wrote: On Feb 5, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: ... Also, there might be some issues (possibly) since you use + to provide several files. I *think* that the '+' operator in general would imply that the files are concatenated

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-05 Thread Timothe Litt
Some of the PDFs on bitsavers are searchable. It would be a good project to OCR the rest into searchable pdfs - as that also means that the text can be extracted. OCR is getting good enough (finally) that it's feasible. I'm sure that they'd be accepted back into bitsavers - searchable is good

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-05 Thread Kevin Handy
I believe that VMS is probable the only one of DEC's Operating Systems that is likely to have machine readable documentation (Both PDF and HTML iirc.). All of the other OSs were mostly out of production by the time that HTML and PDF's became popular, and I don't believe that DEC ever gave away

Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)

2016-02-05 Thread Johnny Billquist
He provided the listing in the original post. He had one error on .MCALL line, and one on the .TIN line U on .MCALL, and UQ on .TIN, if I remember right. I also find it extremely strange that it would not be possible to start a user defined macro with '.', but if it works without, that's a

Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)

2016-02-05 Thread Timothe Litt
Too many loose ends to declare victory. The RT-11 librarian doesn't have a list command for macros; they were second class citizens. It's available on other DEC OS's librians, so I must have crossed a memory. Names with a '.' or '$' are reserved to DEC. But I don't think this should impact

[Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-05 Thread Zachary Kline
Hi All, So the recent RSTS/E discussion has got me wondering what OS’s I might be able to run under SIMH with readable documentation. As a totally blind enthusiast I can’t really use the Bitsavers collection without manually running OCR on the PDFs, a tedious and error-prone process. I’m aware

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-05 Thread Johnny Billquist
Hi. Afraid I am unaware of any attempts to OCR or retype the documentation. It's a pet peeve of mine, but most other people around here seem to prefer bitmaps of scans of the documentation. So I don't really expect anything to happen there. How were the systems installed? For PDP-11 systems,

Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)

2016-02-05 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2016-02-05 22:05, Will Senn wrote: I got it working :). Excellent. However, It doesn't look like macro files can be listed - from the system utilities manual: The .MACRO directive produces the entries in the library directory (macro names). LIBR does not maintain a directory listing file

Re: [Simh] Macro-11 Macro library question (RT11 running in SimH PDP11)

2016-02-05 Thread Will Senn
I got it working :). However, It doesn't look like macro files can be listed - from the system utilities manual: The .MACRO directive produces the entries in the library directory (macro names). LIBR does not maintain a directory listing file for macro libraries; you can print the ASCII input

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-05 Thread Ron Young
On Feb 5, 2016 3:19 PM, Kevin Handy wrote: > > I think there was also a PDP11 version of a Pascal OS (??name forgotten at > the moment), and several FORTH systems too. > Two pascal operating systems that come to are UCSD and SOLO (Per Brunch Hansen's research os) ... I

[Simh] Panic while attempting to boot a NetBSD ISO

2016-02-05 Thread Gregg Levine
Hello! Okay here goes, I'm following these instructions: https://www.netbsd.org/ports/vax/emulator-howto.html And I'm getting this response: MicroVAX 3900 simulator V4.0-0 Betagit commit id: f03bae6c sim> do netbsd-boot RQ1: creating new file libpcap version 1.4.0 Eth: opened OS device