Re: [SLUG] On fitting an internal hard drive

2007-02-21 Thread Ben Donohue
Also you want to know if it is an IDE drive or a SATA. It's most likely a 2.5 inch drive. Usually these are no hassle to replace. First time round put the screws on the table exactly in the place of where you took them from. Some of these laptops have different length screws. And if you put the

Re: [SLUG] IBM calculate that 4Gb RAM is optimal for Vista

2007-02-21 Thread Scott Ragen
And what does this have to do with Linux? I really hate people attempting to bash Microsoft their products on OSS lists. IMHO It really makes everyone look like zealots. Cheers, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/02/2007 05:01:19 PM: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?

Re: [SLUG] IBM calculate that 4Gb RAM is optimal for Vista

2007-02-21 Thread Dean Hamstead
slug-chat is the best place for this thread Dean Scott Ragen wrote: And what does this have to do with Linux? I really hate people attempting to bash Microsoft their products on OSS lists. IMHO It really makes everyone look like zealots. Cheers, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on

Re: [SLUG] IBM calculate that 4Gb RAM is optimal for Vista

2007-02-21 Thread Alan L Tyree
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:05:31 +1100 Scott Ragen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what does this have to do with Linux? I really hate people attempting to bash Microsoft their products on OSS lists. IMHO It really makes everyone look like zealots. In Howard's defence, I don't see the article as MS

Re: [SLUG] IBM calculate that 4Gb RAM is optimal for Vista

2007-02-21 Thread Alexander Stanley
G'day guys, I don't think Howard's actually in the wrong. It sort of belongs in a list somewhere between slug and slug-chat. You've got the MS Bashing aspect that some people will see that makes it appear in the slug-chat area, while you have the administrative IBM think 4GB?! viewpoint that

Re: [SLUG] IBM calculate that 4Gb RAM is optimal for Vista

2007-02-21 Thread Voytek Eymont
On Thu, February 22, 2007 9:46 am, Alexander Stanley wrote: Granted, we're a group of individuals who discuss Linux, an OS that, despite previous statements I've received, will more than happily run on 100mhz and 64mb of RAM (last tested on the 2.6.16-r3 kernel before I tossed that piece of

Re: [SLUG] IBM calculate that 4Gb RAM is optimal for Vista

2007-02-21 Thread Robert Collins
On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 11:45 +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: Scott Ragen wrote: And what does this have to do with Linux? I really hate people attempting to bash Microsoft their products on OSS lists. IMHO It really makes everyone look like zealots. Au contraire. Perhaps those who

[SLUG] Gnash or Flash

2007-02-21 Thread Heracles
Hi, Since moving to my AMD64 based machine I have changed my Ubuntu to the 64 bit version. My problem is that I can no longer see flash in web pages. There appears to be no way to get a 64 bit flash 9 player or plugin and using nspluginwrapper -i (directory)/libflashplayer.so with either Flash

Re: [SLUG] IBM calculate that 4Gb RAM is optimal for Vista

2007-02-21 Thread Adam Kennedy
This leads me to ask about the equivalent for most Linux desktop setups. What is the sweet spot for RAM in a typical, say, Ubuntu desktop box? The point at which diminishing returns from improved functionality intersects with the increase in cost. Adam K Howard Lowndes wrote:

Re: [SLUG] Gnash or Flash

2007-02-21 Thread Simon Males
Adobe/Macromedia Flash doesn't have 64Bit support. As for Gnash (never used it) but you mentioned it has an external player. With an extension can you play embedded flash to the player of you choice. https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/446/ After installing flash remains to be embedded, you have

Re: [SLUG] IBM calculate that 4Gb RAM is optimal for Vista

2007-02-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Adam Kennedy This leads me to ask about the equivalent for most Linux desktop setups. What is the sweet spot for RAM in a typical, say, Ubuntu desktop box? The point at which diminishing returns from improved functionality intersects with the increase in cost. 128-256MB if you

Re: [SLUG] Gnash or Flash

2007-02-21 Thread mcl
I've been using Gnash on Fedora 6 x86_64 for a while now. It's not perfect, but it's coming along. Nothing's been released since 0.7.1, so you're pretty much going to have to install from cvs to get the recent stuff, as you probably know. I've been configuring with the following options

Re: [SLUG] Wireless card.

2007-02-21 Thread jam
On Thursday 22 February 2007 07:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am about to have an adsl2+ broadband service connected. I have a Belkin Wireless G Router. Is there a suitable wireless card for a desktop that is sure to be OK for all or most flavours of Linux? I've a huge pile of paperweights,

[SLUG] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [activities] Call For Participation: Distro Discussion Panel @ Friday's meeting]

2007-02-21 Thread Lindsay Holmwood
G'day all! We're running low on volunteers - anyone else want to represent their favourite distro? Lindsay - Forwarded message from Lindsay Holmwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Lindsay Holmwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: SLUG Activities [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:10:22 +1100

Re: [SLUG] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [activities] Call For Participation: Distro Discussion Panel @ Friday's meeting]

2007-02-21 Thread Michael Kedzierski
On 2/22/07, Lindsay Holmwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day all! We're running low on volunteers - anyone else want to represent their favourite distro? I've switched from Gentoo to Arch on my main desktop about two weeks ago, I could do either. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing

Re: [SLUG] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [activities] Call For Participation: Distro Discussion Panel @ Friday's meeting]

2007-02-21 Thread Amos Shapira
Do you need Debian reps or was this spot filled out the quickest? :-) I'm NOT a Debian Developer but I use it for many years so might be able to fill in. --Amos On 22/02/07, Lindsay Holmwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day all! We're running low on volunteers - anyone else want to represent

Re: [SLUG] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [activities] Call For Participation: Distro Discussion Panel @ Friday's meeting]

2007-02-21 Thread Robert Collins
On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 14:34 +1100, Lindsay Holmwood wrote: G'day all! We're running low on volunteers - anyone else want to represent their favourite distro? What ones do you have? Rob -- GPG key available at: http://www.robertcollins.net/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a

Re: [SLUG] Gnash or Flash

2007-02-21 Thread jam
On Thursday 22 February 2007 13:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since moving to my AMD64 based machine I have changed my Ubuntu to the 64 bit version. My problem is that I can no longer see flash in web pages. There appears to be no way to get a 64 bit flash 9 player or plugin and using

Re: [SLUG] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [activities] Call For Participation: Distro Discussion Panel @ Friday's meeting]

2007-02-21 Thread James Dumay
What distro's are currently being represented? James On 2/22/07, Lindsay Holmwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day all! We're running low on volunteers - anyone else want to represent their favourite distro? Lindsay - Forwarded message from Lindsay Holmwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From:

[SLUG] Oddball memory usage?

2007-02-21 Thread Peter Hardy
I'm a little puzzled by this: total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:50050844816352 188732 0 1566443165540 -/+ buffers/cache: 14941683510916 Swap: 10526161052616 0 Is this sort of usage normal?

Re: [SLUG] IBM calculate that 4Gb RAM is optimal for Vista

2007-02-21 Thread jam
On Thursday 22 February 2007 13:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This leads me to ask about the equivalent for most Linux desktop setups. What is the sweet spot for RAM in a typical, say, Ubuntu desktop box? The point at which diminishing returns from improved functionality intersects with the

Re: [SLUG] Oddball memory usage?

2007-02-21 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, Peter Hardy wrote: Is this sort of usage normal? Filling a gigabyte of swap space while just under 1.5GB of memory is going towards buffers seems odd to me. And vmstat reports no usage of this swap space over a 15 minute period. Just trust it. It knows what it's

Re: [SLUG] Oddball memory usage?

2007-02-21 Thread Zhasper
On 22/02/07, Peter Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a little puzzled by this: total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:50050844816352 188732 0 1566443165540 -/+ buffers/cache: 14941683510916 Swap: 1052616

Re: [SLUG] Gnash or Flash

2007-02-21 Thread Adam Kent
On 22/02/07 12:27, Heracles wrote: Since moving to my AMD64 based machine I have changed my Ubuntu to the 64 bit version. My problem is that I can no longer see flash in web pages. Not the easiest solution, but you could always set up a 32 bit chroot for firefox and other apps that rely on 32

Re: [SLUG] Oddball memory usage?

2007-02-21 Thread Peter Hardy
On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 05:22 +, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: This one time, at band camp, Peter Hardy wrote: Is this sort of usage normal? Filling a gigabyte of swap space while just under 1.5GB of memory is going towards buffers seems odd to me. And vmstat reports no usage of this swap

Re: [SLUG] Oddball memory usage?

2007-02-21 Thread jam
On Thursday 22 February 2007 14:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a little puzzled by this:               total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached Mem:        5005084    4816352     188732          0     156644    3165540 -/+ buffers/cache:     1494168    3510916 Swap:    

Re: [SLUG] Oddball memory usage?

2007-02-21 Thread Zhasper
On 22/02/07, Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's recommended that your swap space should be 2x your RAM. In your case it's .2x Blanket statement != useful. On a desktop, where I'm putting OOo in the background and letting firefox chew all my ram for a while - yes, I'll take lots of

Re: [SLUG] Oddball memory usage?

2007-02-21 Thread Jeremy Portzer
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007, Peter Hardy wrote: I'm a little puzzled by this: total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:50050844816352 188732 0 1566443165540 -/+ buffers/cache: 14941683510916 Swap: 1052616

Re: [SLUG] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [activities] Call For Participation: Distro Discussion Panel @ Friday's meeting]

2007-02-21 Thread Lindsay Holmwood
On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 02:55:47PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: What ones do you have? Right now, Fedora and Slackware. Lindsay -- http://slug.org.au/ (the Sydney Linux Users Group) http://holmwood.id.au/~lindsay/ (me) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List -

Re: [SLUG] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [activities] Call For Participation: Distro Discussion Panel @ Friday's meeting]

2007-02-21 Thread Lindsay Holmwood
On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 03:12:52PM +1100, Michael Kedzierski wrote: I've switched from Gentoo to Arch on my main desktop about two weeks ago, I could do either. Either would be perfect. You can choose on the night. :-) Lindsay -- http://slug.org.au/ (the Sydney Linux Users Group)

Re: [SLUG] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [activities] Call For Participation: Distro Discussion Panel @ Friday's meeting]

2007-02-21 Thread Lindsay Holmwood
On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 03:28:10PM +1100, Amos Shapira wrote: Do you need Debian reps or was this spot filled out the quickest? :-) I'm NOT a Debian Developer but I use it for many years so might be able to fill in. Nobody has put their hand up yet, so look like you're it. :-) If other

Re: [SLUG] Gnash or Flash

2007-02-21 Thread jam
On Thursday 22 February 2007 14:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since moving to my AMD64 based machine I have changed my Ubuntu to the 64 bit version. My problem is that I can no longer see flash in web pages. Not the easiest solution, but you could always set up a 32 bit chroot for firefox

Re: [SLUG] Oddball memory usage?

2007-02-21 Thread Peter Hardy
On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 16:24 +1100, Zhasper wrote: On 22/02/07, Peter Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a little puzzled by this: total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:50050844816352 188732 0 1566443165540 -/+

Re: [SLUG] Oddball memory usage?

2007-02-21 Thread Peter Hardy
On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 16:24 +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: It's recommended that your swap space should be 2x your RAM. In your case it's .2x Has anybody seriously made such a recommendation this millenium? In my experience, the formula doesn't really scale at all. I suppose, in certain

Re: [SLUG] IBM calculate that 4Gb RAM is optimal for Vista

2007-02-21 Thread Voytek Eymont
On Thu, February 22, 2007 11:48 am, Howard Lowndes wrote: Granted, we're a group of individuals who discuss Linux, an OS that, despite previous statements I've received, will more than happily run on 100mhz and 64mb of RAM (last tested on the 2.6.16-r3 kernel before with a GUI desktop ?

Re: [SLUG] IBM calculate that 4Gb RAM is optimal for Vista

2007-02-21 Thread Voytek Eymont
On Thu, February 22, 2007 12:46 pm, Jeff Waugh wrote: This leads me to ask about the equivalent for most Linux desktop setups. What is the sweet spot for RAM in a typical, say, Ubuntu desktop box? The point at which diminishing returns from improved functionality intersects with the