"Curl" is an awesome application that we also use for automating downloads.
"Wget" also supports conditional downloads based on time/date stamp when
using the -N switch.  In ether case, please also use the compression support
built into each application, the sniffer rulebase files can be compressed
down to about 25% of their normal size before the download by using these
switches.

Here is an example of how to use wget to check for rulebase updates and if a
new file exists, request file compression before the file is downloaded:

wget -N http://www.sortmonster.net/Sniffer/Updates/LicenseID.snf -O
LicenseID.new.gz --header=Accept-Encoding:gzip --http-user=sniffer
--http-passwd=ki11sp8m

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 11:20 AM
To: sniffer@SortMonster.com
Subject: [sniffer] Conditional Sniffer Updates


Hi,

The one thing I have not seen mentioned is the ability to do CONDITIONAL
downloads - which is crucial for "timed" downloads when most of the time
there may not even BE a more current .SNF file.

Just like your browser, the HTTP Request for your latest .SNF file should
ALWAYS provide the "date/time" stamp of your CURRENTLY active .SNF file.
This way, the server will compare both dates and a download will occur ONLY,
if there is LATER .SNF file on the server.  (This is how your web browser
controls, whether it needs to download new pages/images from sites you
visited before.)

Here is how CURL is used to do conditional downloads:

curl http://www.sortmonster.net/Sniffer/Updates/[mylicensecode].snf -o
[mylicensecode].snf.new -s -S -R -z [mylicensecode].snf -u
[mywebuserid]:[mywebpassword] 

The "-o" option defines the output file.
The "-R" option makes sure that the output file will inherit the timestamp
from the Sniffer Server (if one is downloaded at all).
The "-z" option sends the timestamp of the CURRENT SNF file to the server
(in the GET request!)

Since my local .SNF file has the same timestamp as the SERVER, and since
every new GET request will allow the server to recognize if/that there may
me no LATER .SNF file, I am only downloading when a new file is actually
present!


Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

H&M Systems Software, Inc.
600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:    +1 201 934-9206

http://www.HM-Software.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Pete McNeil
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 12:50 PM
To: Russ Uhte
Subject: Re[2]: [sniffer] Sniffer Updates


On Monday, December 27, 2004, 11:45:59 AM, Russ wrote:

RU> Kevin Stanford wrote:
>> Our updates seem to be taking a very long time. I am 85% updated and 
>> the ETA shows 07:00. Is it me?

RU> I see stuff like this come and go...  Our updates are (finally)
RU> triggered from the email notifications...  Below is a snippet of the
RU> last update that shows exactly what speeds we saw, which ran at 10:45
RU> EST this morning...  Every once in a while, I will see it slow down to
RU> about 8KB/s, but rarely slower than that...

There are going to be random events like this for a while - as long as some
folks still download based on a schedule rather than responding to update
notifications.

What happens is that sometimes a group of systems will "agree" to all
download their rulebase files at the same time - when that happens our
bandwidth gets saturated and things go slowly. (We are working on this in a
number of ways.)

Most of the time there is plenty of bandwidth, and if everyone always
downloaded only when there was an update notification then there would
always be plenty (our system paces updates to make sure this is the case as
much as possible).

We are in a transitional period where existing connectivity contracts
prevent us from moving without incurring a significant cost (a cost we would
rather not pass on to our customers). Over the next 6-9 months we will make
the transition to a new rulebase format and distribution method and we will
also be migrating to new hosting facilities (already running in case we
encounter a serious DL problem).

Since rulebase downloads should always be automated in some way, the
occasional slow download should not be a problem. We will continue to
monitor the situation closely - and we appreciate the reports we get.

The things that you can do to help are:

1. If you haven't already, please upgrade your scripting so that your
automated downloads are triggered from our update notifications.

2. If you are not going to use update notifications please be sure to use
the staggered schedule we've posted here:

http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/LogsHelp.html#When

3. AVOID using accelerated download software! This is the kind of software
that downloads large files by opening multiple connections to the same
server. Almost all of the "slowdowns" we experience have been associated
with someone downloading a rulebase with this kind of software -- they open
100+ connections for themselves (sometimes more) and that slows things down
for everyone else. We have adjusted our server's setting to mitigate this,
but we can't turn it off completely without causing other performance
problems ;-)

Hope this helps,
_M




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