Testing the waters for a different type of LSF
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=554577
It's a long one...
Jim Deck wrote:
OK, probably most members of RCSE are aware of it but, for those who
aren't, a good discussion concerning the LSF is taking place in
Sailplane Talk on
Since the LSF discussion and Johnny B's goal and
return are "in the news", I'd like to poll the group:
Who flies cross country or goal and return on a
regular basis? Elaborate please.
Tom KoszutaWestern New York Sailplane and
Electric FlyersBuffalo, NY
As a diversion from the LSF angst, I'd like to briefly resurrect an old
thread. Shortly after NATS there was a flurry of dialog regarding 2M
design. My comments, in general, suggested there was still some room to
upgrade 2M designs, look more closely at the Drela airfoils, optimize
planforms
As a newly christened LSF aspirant, I say don't attempt to change from
English to Metric measurement -- or the absolute length of the yardstick.
Far too many talented people have already been measured (and re-measured and
re-re-re-measured -- i.e., Don Harris) against the same yardstick.
I have stayed out of this foray but will offer only one clarification. When you talk about the planes of yor, we all flew those. Today we all fly what is out there today so the competition is just as meaningful as it was 20 years ago.
It is not moldies against woodies but the playing field is
Here is my comment on this subject.
Not everybody can be a Level V, otherwise there would be no reason to
attain it. No reason to change rules so more can reach the
apogee. Next they will want a handicap system for world competition.
The few the proud...
I aspire to be a level V.
Steven
I love competition. However, unless you live near a big club, there's little
chance to find contests with 20 people +. The idea of developing skills and
enjoying the sport is the most important aspect in my opinion. If there's no
way to do the competition circuit unless you are very well off,
I am curious, if you are not competitive person then why do you desire a
goal based system to compare your skills to other pilots, and desire to
have the recognition of earning that goal?
Why isn't it enough for you to just fly for fun?
At 10:27 PM 9/6/2006, Harold Jackson wrote:
I joined in
Carrying on the great tradition of Jim Bacus and Jim McCarthy, I will
be hosting a barbecue on Saturday night, September 9 for all of the
competitors, friends, and family in attendance at OVSS #8, the Fred
Fredrickson Memorial Thermal Challenge.
Cocktails at 6:00 PM, BBQ at 7:00 PM. Please
Actually, having read through a majority of the thread, I don't see him
as attacking the LSF. He says again and again that he respects the LSF
system, but is looking for something that isn't so dependent upon
contests. It's something that even I've heard repeatedly, and I've only
been
That is about the Best Summation I have ever read.
Great Job Jim.
chip
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From: James V. Bacus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 8:56 AM
To: RCSE
Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF discussion
I've read it all before...
A guy looks at the LSF task set
I would disagree. Jim may have not caught every post and didn't
catch the disclaimers. It wasn't the originators intent to bash
LSF. And I didn't see any bashing from the originator - perhaps a
few of the other posts went that way but generally it was a pretty
even discussion.
However I
Hello Chuck!!!AMEN!!!cheersJim
TS3 is happy to announce its first contest to be held in Erie Pa. Two
classes will be flown RES Unlimited. Cost will be $5.oo per class ,all
welcome ,help for those first timers. Come and have a great time with friendly
people.Directions at TS3 .org
The date of the contest in ERIE is Sept 17
Ron,
I think that is a very generous offer to have everyone to your house for
BBQ, and I am glad you could step up and carry on this tradition. I am
sorry I couldn't host it this year, but every year we did it was one of the
most rewarding events of the summer.
A couple of hints, forget
yee ha! Slope season at Brookville is coming up soon.
I hope so, spent a lot of the last week cleaning up my slope trash,
and I catch myself obsessively checking the Weather Channel for wind
forecasts - come on South 15-25 *!
As an aside, anyone interested in a Brookville email
On 9/6/2006, Tom wrote (in part):
"If someone wants to set up another achievement program, I will
gladly participate and still work on my LSF V in the current format. I
will also volunteer to help Tom, Larry, Bill and Steve work out the details of
an additional set of goals based on the
Mr. Dario Brisighella designed a pattern plane called the Viper that won
best of show at the 18th Toledo show (1971 or 72)
The plans and construction article were published in the American Aircraft
Modeler magazine several months after the show.
I am looking for the full size plans or even
Many of us have been around long enough to have seen a thread of posts like
those that inspired the weenies program recently quoted in part here.
While fairly humorous, posting the weenie rules, did accomplish three
things: created a few grins, shut up the wannabes and whiners, and,
Anybody out there own a copy of the January 1973 issue of American Aircraft
Modeler that I can buy or borrow?
Thanks,
S Gibson
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Just to lighten the mood a bit, was at www.youtube.com last evening looking at
a video of a 3D ship flying and kind of started watching some other flying
stuff. Wow, there is some cool stuff there. Three personal favorites:
Goodbye Hero-F-14 driver I think that is expousing his displeasure at
The LSF is said to be a personal achievement program. If this is so, how
come you have to beat 20 (at level 5) other people in a contest as a
requirement? Not exactly personal. With the number of interested parties
declining in R/C soaring, and the current structure requiring some number
The links I think . . .
On 9/6/06, Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just to lighten the mood a bit, was at www.youtube.com last evening looking at
a video of a 3D ship flying and kind of started watching some other flying
stuff. Wow, there is some cool stuff there. Three personal
Jack,
Yes we are now competiting with like ships, but I am
guessing Pike perfect would be a whole lot easier to get a 6.2 mile Goal and
Return than it was with a Sailair. Both are capable of completing the
task, one would be much more efficient at completing the task than the
other.
See
I think it depends on how the phrase Personal Achievement is viewed.
Personally, I view it just the way I read it Personal Achievement
If people are truly interested in promoting rc sailplane interest, it will
have to be done at the club level and it doesn't have to have anything to
I may be the newest LSF applicant. I signed up Sunday. I may be new to
LSF but I am far from new to flying RC. I will be 64 later this month.
I am a senior manager in the work place. The most important thing I
have ever learned is that just because we have always done it that way
is
In a message dated 9/6/2006 11:28:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As for
me, I am going to go as far as I can with what I
got.
Well said! The LSF program is an offer, not a mandate. One can
pursue as much or as little of it as one wishes (and many have been
In this particular instance, no one is attempting to change the
yardstick that is the LSF achievement program. They are simply
suggesting one that isn't so dependent upon contesting and the employ of
other LSF members - specifically to bring more people into the soaring fold.
[EMAIL
Hi Guys,
Here is my 2 cents worth on the topic. First off, I am currently a Level III
Pilot needing only my Goal and Return to complete Level IV. I plan to continue
under the current guidlines to strive to reach Level V. I am going to do so
because I have always felt like and still do feel
I have 3 modules, one each on 30, 38, and 46. These were for
my 8uap, which I no longer own, so dont need em.
$30 shipped each.
Thx,
Matt
Fellas, this has all been covered in the Weenie Manifesto as promulgated by the
Weenies of Soaring and leaked to outsiders by someone on the Grand Weenie
Council.
You can go to the Yahoo soaring group where our archives are stored, Files
section, and see a file there of a post from March 7,
On 07/09/2006, at 7:14 AM, Ben Wilson wrote:
In this particular instance, no one is attempting to change the
yardstick that is the LSF achievement program. They are simply
suggesting one that isn't so dependent upon contesting and the
employ of other LSF members - specifically to bring
Anyone know how I can contact John Ferguson (from
Michigan). He flew 2M and UNL at the NATs..Hutch??
Michigan dudes?
Thanks
AJ
BSS, Lexington
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Here is a reminder for the SWSA Bent Wing BBQ on Sept. 17. Let me know if
you plan to attend so we can get the food ordered.
Hope to see you there.
Dan
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cool-- got any pictures?
tgm
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From: David Register [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:57 AM
To: Soaring@airage.com
Subject: [RCSE] 2M Re-Visited
As a diversion from the LSF angst, I'd like to briefly resurrect an old
thread. Shortly
In a message dated 9/6/2006 2:07:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yeah, it
probably won't take a pedal-to-the-metal-full-bore-stomp-on-it winch
launch.
Dr Mark D'sAllegro Lite sure as heck does! (awesome to watch!).
Good Lift!
At 11:08 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote:
OK, probably most members of RCSE are aware of it but, for those who
aren't, a good discussion concerning the LSF is taking place in
Sailplane Talk on RCGroups. Both members non-members of the LSF
may find it interesting.
Here we go again with the same old
Ok... that's just cool...
On 9/4/06, Arne Ansper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi!Spotted this in September issue of IEEE Spectrum:
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On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, Ben Wilson wrote:
mean new people, but also some new ideas - and I'll give an ear to just
about anyone who has an idea that might help me put more people in my club
and more planes in the air.
(Young) people are unaware that such thing as R/C soaring exists. It might
I've read it all before...
A guy looks at the LSF task set and they seem daunting so he figures he
will redesign them.
Instead of actually joining LSF and figuring what its all about its much
easier to attack it from the computer on the forums, e-lists, or where ever
it may get attention.
Anyone actually flying one of these?
Tom Broeski
32 Mount View Dr
Afton, VA 22920
540 943-3356
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That's what happens no body over there wants to help.
I am having the same problem with my Sperber. I need a new nose
cone and Krause Models will not answer my emails. I have sent them in
both German and English. John Derstien was the only one that I knew
that delt with them.
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