If you're getting a new retriever,or changing the motor, it seems like a
12V wind is in order. I wonder if there isn't a way to play with the
existing windings to accomplish the same thing.
On a slightly related topic, I've discovered that for winding line onto
the winch at a reasonable
Just blew up a wing on my Chicago Style. Wondering if anyone has a set
of wings for this glider. Particularly if the spoiler bay stops somewhat
short of the end of the spar tube instead of extending past it. The wing
failed about 2/3 of the way out, at the end of the spoiler bay.
Thanks,
Just read the article. To some extent, I find myself agreeing (did I
write that? pass the Risperdal!). However, just because Gordy and I
succumb to tempatation when we have an electric glider* that is getting
low, doesn't mean other people do. If you have the strength of will to
ignore that
Actually the Cool thing about the PROGRAMABLE motor cutoff is that it
includes the things you are looking for. The CD decides the alt that
morning of the contest and ALL shut down at the same time, regardless
of motor, prop, battery config. ALL start at exactly the same height
and all
Gordy,
It's still a contest EVEN IF YOU, THE INFAMOUS GORDY, ARE NOT FLYING IN
IT!
The guys I know are not into playing loopholes. They just like to fly
electric sometimes. At least two of us are LSF Level 4, and we didn't
use electric motors in our gliders for that.
My electric model
It's been pointed out to me that my post in reply to a message from Bill
Wingstedt could be read as actually meaning to call him an idiot. I
believe a close reading will reveal that I was agreeing with his brass
tube/carbon rod trick and complimented him by asking him to make a
couple of them
That may be overkill, if the 1/8 was almost strong enough. Assuming that
the wall is pretty thick, 1/4 would be 8X as strong and 16X as stiff,
if I'm not mistaken. I wonder if the problem is that the rod is not very
strong crosswise, so if there's a hint of a sharp edge, maybe it will
crunch.
Guess I'd better not use any. I don't have anything that could survive
450 mph. Well, maybe the ballast in the nose
Larry:
Is this your way of making it fair for the rest of us? How high can
you launch your T-28? You guys in California must be using heavy line
these days. I'd feel bad
Per Fritz Bien's suggestion, I drilled a hole in mine behind the
existing hook and glued in a dowel.with CA (mine is 5/16 dia, not sure
what Fritz used). Then I drilled a hole in the dowel and screwed in one
of those rebent cup hook with wood thread towhooks. Mine is about 1/4
aft of the
If KISS is always better, why are we using ailerons and flaps and
computer radios? For that matter, why aren't we all just doing free
flight? Can't get too much simpler in a flying thing than a free flight
hand launch glider. I think this discussion is talking me into jack type
switches,
users in all situations. Its generally an adequate compromise. If you feel you need more, get more.
But taking this idea in a nonsense direction is, well, nonsense.
Jim Thomas
Lincoln Ross wrote:
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Looked like Michael is right. According to Profili, it's VERY similar to
the RG-15. I checked it out at re*sqrt(CL)=100k and 150k. (That is,
equivalent to a sailplane which is at Reynold's number of 100k and 150k
when flying at Cl of 1) The two lines are just about right on top of
each other.
Gotta have that transmitter in your hands when he's tossing the plane
out! (Or perhaps you were, if so, sorry.) A couple years back I did my
own tree climbing and handed the tx to Fritz Bien. I tossed the glider
out of the tree and that's the only time I've seen an Oly II do a
tailslide. Come
Sorry this happened to you, but that name sounds like the oldest MO in
the book:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphemus
JAMES EALY wrote:
Hello Guys:
I just got scammed for $116 by Kevin Noone, Albany - that is the name given to
me!
I suspect that I was the third person he scammed from
I don't know about you guys raving about the Uber planes, but for me,
the best glider is one that's just barely good enough* to have good
flights on the particular day in question. While I think the spot
landing is a very good thing, not least for safety reasons**, I would
like the pilot's
:
At 10:09 PM 12/20/2007, Lincoln Ross wrote:
It's not a big thrill to me, but I think most flyers really enjoy the
big zooms. I got a 12V wind motor because I didn't know any better.
It launches gliders fine, even big ones(134 and 85 oz.), but it
doesn't power the big zoom.
Academic for me now
It's not ALL about the wingspan or the money. At least not always. At
least in RES. (I know you're talking about Icons, but I'd be very
surprised if the same potential wasn't there in unlimited, tho perhaps
not with an Oly 2. Maybe a Mantis, tho.)
This summer I saw two gliders, which are
It's not a big thrill to me, but I think most flyers really enjoy the big zooms. I got a 12V wind motor because I didn't know any better. It launches gliders fine, even big ones(134 and 85 oz.), but it doesn't power the big zoom.
Academic for me now because somehow I lost track of it in the
Craig Allen wrote:
Nats ??? Is that that little East Coast contest you guys have every year? But
always complain about schedules and events?
Out West we have Viselia, IHLGF, Southwest Classic, Fresno Classic and on and on And we fly 12 months out of the year :-)
So if your bragging
10 or 15 years ago, had an Oly 2 foisted off on me (I didn't actually bid, it
was a joke) for $25. I estimate 100 hours or more. Negelecting wear and tear on
very cheap radio, new batteries, etc. that's 10 cents per hour.
BTW, I think 100 is a neglected blend of practical, relatively
Harley, you've made many of the advances in the hobby yourself. (RDS
comes to mind). However, it seems to me you're implying things are
stagnant, and there I must disagree. While things are not pushing
forward on all fronts, I've seen tremendous progress in the hobby since
I've been in it, and
Not sure I like the sound of benchmark. Aren't those made out of
bronze and cemented into granite?
I feel old, because I haven't seen these names:
Windsong
Magic
(Never flew either but saw SO MANY of them, and I did own an Anthem later.)
turns like a:
Metrick ;-)
handles thermal turns like
Actually, I think, given the AG airfoils, optimum aspect ratio is
probably a function of your vision. Given very good vision and very good
skill with composites, optimum aspect ratio is probably upwards of 12,
as in the original Agea 2M. More realistically, maybe a bit over 11.
Wing loading
Suggest it would be easier for contest organizers instead of lng
rounds that you make each plane carry a spherical ball, diameter equal
to .15 X sqrt of wing area. Backup policy boules game if it's too windy
to fly.
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If you can't, then I've been a very lucky free flighter all these years.
I've used a number of different kinds of wire. Adminttedly the one with
the thinnest, about 15 of lizst(sp?) wire and some gadgety base load,
has only been flown to 1/4 mile downwind. It was an indoor model, the
day was
You guys just need to explore low aspect ratio design so you can see the
plane. I doubt if an 8:1 2M is much harder to see than a 16:1 unlimited.
Hide radio in tapered wing.
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resistance, and I've got double pins on most
of the connections at the DB9 (except flap signal). Doubled up pins are
connected with each other. Suggestions?
Thanks,
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Unless I missed out on some historic micro modelling, I think the kit
you want is the Sagitta 900, named after the wing area. It was 100
inches.I had a couple of Sagitta 600's and liked them a lot. But the
E205 airfoil is unlikely to work with a span of less than 32, chord of
maybe 3 or 4,
I've seen the following withstand some pretty scary launches:
http://www.charlesriverrc.org/articles/bubbledancer/PDFs/htail_V2.pdf
and especially this construction, tho you'd have to scale it up:
http://www.charlesriverrc.org/articles/allegrolite2m/Allegro_Lite.pdf
Either the rods are stainless and you have to really beat on them, or
you're not using enough heat. (Well, ok, not beat on them, but use
different flux or something. I have bad luck soldering to stainless, but
no less a source than Mark Drela tells me it can be done. Kind of
reminds me of the
I hope you're right. Wasn't always like that, and I suspect with park
flyers, or any such single conversion (ugh! and yes, I've heard there
are other solutions than dual conversion) receivers it still isn't. Back
in 1990 or so, I conscientiously got a 1991 system on channel 20. I
could shoot
Don't spend too much. You can get 15A surplus computer power supplies
for $20 or so. (allelectronics.com is one place) Or half the price for 5
or 10 amps, I recall. At least some of the computer supplies are smart
enough to shut off instantly as soon as you short them. Mine is like
that,
You need to tell us what SORT of 100 RES airplane. Does it have a full
d-tube or other structure that would provide torsional stiffness. If so,
you could probably cover it safely with just about anything, though some
coverings would be annoyingly vulnerable to punctures and such.
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The (gas) heli and scale aerobatics guys don't have to scream. They only
have to hint. Someone else will do the dirty work with their money. If
that's what they want. If they don't, you have to admire them for their
restraint.
I don't know about the rest of control line, but I've watched some
Anyone know of significant soaring actifity in Deerfield (Greenfield,
Northampton, Amherst) area? I'm out there a lot these days. AMA site is
a pain when searching for clubs. Thanks.
Lincoln
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Quabin Resevior, but there is always a cleared field
nobody will bother over you trespassing on.
Rick
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Subject: soaring activity in Pioneer (yeah, right)
Valley area in Massachusetts
I dunno about that not carrying ballast bit. Maybe things are different
now, but my experience is that the E205 NEEDS the weight, even if it
isn't all that windy. Maybe not 11 oz./ft^2 in a 2 meter, except if it's
really windy, but 9 oz is fine. I also recall having a lot of fun on a
really
see belowL
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I wonder if anyone has tried using the tailboom for an antenna? How
about the wing spar for the ground, i.e. negative, power wire? For
reference, for another project I measured a carbon tow at 25ohms/ft
Again, how many tows in a spar? 25 ohms/ft for JUST ONE TOW.
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to be given this? And
how do you propose to make the physical electrical connections between
the PWR supply (battery) and each of the loads (servos) and every one
of those rovings?
Sorry Lincoln, not trying to show you up, but trying to point out the
magnitude of your assertions...
Lincoln Ross
It appears to be a mold release issue, as on the latest one I wrapped
the mandrel in very thin polyethylene sheet and the boom came off very
easily. I'll bet that if I used Frekote or something, I'd be ok.
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I wish I had a graphics program I actually knew, installed in this
computer. Oh well. The possibilities
Ahem, to be more relevant but perhaps still silly, I wonder if anyone
has tried using the tailboom for an antenna? How about the wing spar for
the ground, i.e. negative, power wire? For
)
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oz bias glass. Can consider other layups, or even
smaller booms as I have a collection of golf club shafts, fish poles,
etc. At this point I'm just testing to see how much interest there is.
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(I might have put my phone number here but I was doing the first layup
I have seen a 7m RC glider. Not legal for competition, of course. The
guy was able to launch to 200 or 300 feet with one of those creaky old
Davey Systems belt drive winches, which I was able to bog down with the
2M plane I was flying at the time. A low pass, right over your head,
really
Polyhedral and other workload reducers allow more proficiency on less
practice!
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If you practice a little, compensating for the spoiler is pretty easy to
do manually. Probably takes about as much trouble as getting the mix
right. And I've always used pull strings for spoilers with good results.
Less trouble on assembly than plugging electrical connectors, and I'd
guess
. I suppose using an iron can cause little tiny scratches,
but they are very hard to see.
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Here's an altitude track which I think was done with a 3M plane (with
the extra drag of the gadget), Ford winch, and retriever. (Probably with
Real Balls, probably with a Mantis.) I think I was even there on the
occasion but did not know which flight was the one. Launch part of
altitude track
Jack Womack wrote about using weak line. Suggest using weak link and
fairly strong line. Easier to deal with a line break that way, and less
breaks due to wear. You might go throu a few extra rings, but if you do
it right you could still use the retriever and have little down time.
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Well, it isn't sexy, but a Casio W-71 watch makes an excellent timer,
with buttons that seem like they never bounce. I don't forget it,
because it's my everyday watch. (I guess that makes me a geek.) The
numbers are a bit small, and there's no voice calling off times, and if
you want the count
For a real soaring contest, how about requiring exposed flat plate area
perpendicular to travel direction equal to 1% (or maybe 1/2%) of wing
area? That ought to make it hard to get the times.
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I can give location within 1/4 mile of a rekitted one you can have with
radio gear.
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Smart manufacturers package their wares in boxes with preprinted boot
prints and preexisting holes. The customers are so happy at the
undamaged merchandise inside that they are willing to overlook any minor
deficiencies, like missing servo screws or something.
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My current hlg has antenna in fuse but not at full length. Coiled part
near rx around a small piece of foam a few times. Range test and use are
just fine.
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I dunno about that. Check out this flight:
http://www.jeklink.net/graphics/davis_boomer_alt.jpg
http://www.jeklink.net/graphics/davis_boomer_color.jpg
Majortomski wrote:
And the three miles comes from a belief, to answer your question that
our effective range is around a mile and a half. So
There is, or was maybe 4 years ago, a piece of software which would take
anything you could print and turn it into an acrobat file. It was set up
as if it was a printer you could pick, as I recall, but created a file
instead. I'll bet it's still out there, but I don't recall what it was,
and I
Actually, it's a little known fact that they DO have jurisdiction over
the entire world and only allow flying between 6AM and 10PM, CST. (-6hrs
Greenwich, I think)
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Regards,
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Builder, flier, fly fisherman,in retirement.
That's like me asking you what shoe size I should wear!
How about info like wing area, exact tail moment (like from 1/4MAC to
1/4 MAC), airfoil, and presence of flaps?
Jerry wrote:
I need a little advice from all you design esxpets out there. I have been
playing around with a 2M and I think the
or something?
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back to not even lurking mode
theory only
glad I don't have to do this
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Sharpening is faster. And you don't make unpleasant reacquaintance with old blades scattered in the hurry to change them quickly.
someone wrote:
Geeez guys, these blades are a few bucks for 100. Not worth the BS factor
of
sharpening them!! Remove and replace BTW, Monokote dulls
My closest slope site WAS a dump. Would be great if it weren't for those
pesky trees upwind. But it would take a lot of #11 blades to make a pile
that high.
Steve Meyer wrote:
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Sure, fill them garbage dumps quicker so we have more slope sites.
Steve
I think even if they are somewhat devalued that precision in landing
should still count for something. It's a real safety factor. Very
apparent when flying with groups that include both contest flyers and
non-contest flyers, and keeping track of who you have to keep an eye on
when their plane
TD is not about soaring, so why not just use big motors? Cheaper than
winches, and none of that pesky thermalling. And no need for those
expensive, non-rectangular molded carbon planes. You can get your
materials from the lumber aisle in Home Despot.
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That may be, but neither the moderate taper or the winglets are anything
like what you'd see in a Horten design.
John Derstine wrote:
Actually Jochen Hass designer, describes this plane as a direct
development of his model Horten projects.
JD
Endless Mountain Models
You can do great things at nil weight and low current consumption with
ultra bright LED's.
Chris Veitch wrote:
Sorry guys forget that I just found them.
Rgds Chris
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to be used in water vs
air? I know it is probably signifigant, but I never
see a coeff inputed for
density...
Reynolds number is proportional to density and, for a
6 chord in water I calculate your Re at 10 mph to be
67,880. This is definately our kind of Re.
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, but anyone have any input? An aero friend on mine thinks that it
might be touchy re stalling, but I'm not sure that I get that from the
graphs...
Anyone? And if you're curious, the airfoils are the same as on the U2 /
TR1: I've always loved that plane
Brent
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not for long. I think
people used to like them.
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real stable thermally. Is this really
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Two, and probably three, of the planes I've used this year are over 10
years old.
J wrote:
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bill Johns wrote:
Our planes don't have life expectancies of 20+ years and these
reactions do take a while to happen.
20 years? I'm lucky if I get 20 days!
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perception on another with a nice soft bush just a
couple of weeks ago. Then there's the hand launch I put in a tree last
year because when I tried to fly behind it I didn't go back far enough.
Many other such stories.
Monkey King wrote:
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Lincoln Ross wrote:
Two, and probably
the materials and adhesives being used.
Simple, suitable protection for both sides, and a bit of a nuisance to do.
J.P.
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(919 lbs with a ca of 0,9 ; speed 56 mph and a wing
area of 129 sqfeet)
That would be almost enough for a full scale
glider!!
The equation I used is this:
Lift = (ca * air density (1,225 kg/m^3) * wing
area)/2
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OOPS! I knew there was something different about that notation, but I
didn't know what.
Monkey King wrote:
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You must live at a very LOW altitude,
as the air density you give is greater than that of water. Try
1.225kg/m^3, not 1,225!
That's just
the crap
out of it. i've got the hook in the safe position
(furthest forward) and the plane glides straight and
long from a hand launch. cg is, according to the
instructions, correct. any ideas why this might be
happening?
thanks.
brian
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find a used 8uafs (or version thereof) and just wait a
bit longer while i get together the added dough. snip
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into
the wind on a straight line back or you can tack back and forth like a
sailboat against the wind. Time is not an issue. Which technique will get
you closer to home with minimal loss of altitude?
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, is it?)
Isn't it typical. Everyone knows that all the really fun stuff in life is
either illegal, immoral, fattening or just plain dangerous. Its amazing that
the human race has survived as long as it has.
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arne wrote:
hi!
is a 1mm piano wire suitable for 4.5cm long elevon pushrod? it will go on
the top of the wing, so when coming out of dive (the speed and forces are
then greatest) it will work for tension.
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for understanding.
Has anyone heard what the rationale for not using a throwing peg on this
plane? Do the european fellas have rules against throwing pegs?
Joedy Drulia
Shenandoah Valley, VA
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as they probably wouldn't survive for
more than one part.
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a lot of rudder helps fight this.
snip
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Hi all,
I really like the idea of twisting a wing to provide roll control from an
aerodynamic perspective. Does anybody out there have any opinions on this?
Has it been done recently?
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did was put the wing servo wires
in a big long brass tube (all I could find at the time) but im not
sure if that would cause any issues. Any help would be appreciated.
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. Anybody use it and how did it work?
Stan
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seriously would even dream of using an AM system!=
I
wouldn't!
Get an FM system fast!
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don't need to pull up elevator when launching, but move toward this
a little bit at a time (3/16?).
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learn.
Tough choice.
Randy
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HELP!
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questions are many, but my most nagging query is:
What?
I'm scared to launch this thing again.
Does any of this sound familiar?
Could use a little help.
Thanks a bunch,
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Please let me know, Thanks in advance!
Cheers
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specifications?
If it will, we'll buy new batteries for it and get it checked out.
Otherwise it goes into our antique radios archives.
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or stay fashionable or competitive. If
fortunes fail, you are done. If you have skills, you can still play.
Harley Michaelis, 26 S. Roosevelt, Walla Walla, WA 99362, ph. (509) 529-2562
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, and still
keep light. Low yaw inertia is very important in a DLG,
and the streamlined peg adds weight.
Joe
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I don't
, and they use
indentations, or even holes has anyone here experimented with that?
the nicer ones are about dime sized, maybe a quarter to a half inch deep
i think that would be a nice alternative.
just wanted to stir things up,
brent
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top! hehe.
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of the ships
around here.
So if anyone could tell me the differences in behavior that these three
airfoils provide, I would greatly appreciate it!! Thanks in advance.
Jeff
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