Re: ***SPAMTAGPTD: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management
Actually Ed, If you get a line break you fly it at LISF. As for new line we don't normally put on fresh line anymore. We discovered that new line had more breaks than older line, unless it was really rashed up. A lot of the Memphis Twine has bad spots in it. We started noticing once the bad spots were removed we were good for a longer period. Ed Anderson wrote: I am not a CD for the ESL events but I think this is a fair approach. I believe, when we host Eastern Soaring League contests at the Long Island Silent Flyers field, the rule is that Experts get one line break on the first round, and that is IT! And we have some top grade pilots flying top of the line ships. Supras, Pikes, Sharons and the like are all represented. The winches are strong and there is plenty of ability to break lines. But after the first round, if you break it, you fly it! Only the CD can decide if a line break was not the pilot's fault. However, for ESL events we normally put on fresh line so there are no knots in the line, until one is broken. We fly Man on Man at the LISF ESL events using 4 ESL winches. I believe Sportsman get one break per day, which assumes Sportsman have less control and knowledge. But the Experts are expected to know how to control their launch and live within those limits. I believe we use 250 lb braded line. Best regards, Ed Anderson LISF, ESL RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2
Finally, the truth and the best approach Buzz Averill On Dec 20, 2007, at 11:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So guys, here is my take on the line break issue. It is very much like the F3B style...of course. The system that is breaking the lines is the motor power and line strength combination. If you attached the line to a brick wall and hit the switch the motors we use today will break all but the freshest, unflawed lines. So, what needs to be done for contest management is to inhibit (by resistor) the power of the motors such that when stalled they can't break a line that is 80% of its nominal strength. Then, as contest director, you say to the contestants go ahead, full pedal the suckers, you only get so much power anyway. I mean seriously, why should the contest managers cater to anyone. Set the rules, set up the equipment so that is reliable and idiot proof, and invite contestants. You might want to add a complaint department, or committee to your staff, but this should be easily accomplished by strategically placing a cardboard cutout or the CD way off in the far corner of the field so complaning parties can get their frustrations out without the rest of us having to hear about it :-) There you go. THE PERFECT SOLUTION. Respectfully submitted, Mike Smith Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 From: Darwin N. Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 11:16 am To: Joe Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Come on Joe, we've been saying this for years and it hasn't worked. See my other post for the direct issues. Darwin On Dec 20, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Joe Rodriguez wrote: Don't change the line Learn how to launch If you go big and break the line!! fly it out!! You launch on the same equipment that everyone else is using, no need to change equipment for the select few Learn to launch and besides who says bigger is better(-: Airbus is sure having a tough time. smokinjoe - Original Message - From: Darwin N. Barrie To: soaring@airage.com ; SC Johnson Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euro models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming more prevelant. Heavy enough line for these new super ships, will be a burden for the lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and a few big ones. We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes but the lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the line drag and weight. Where do we draw the line? Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ - Original Message - From: SC Johnson To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:08 AM Subject: [RCSE] Icon 2 OK all you sailplane junkies (Edgar, DP, you know who you are...) - there's been a lot of discussion about the new High End and some vague comparisons to the old Icon. Since Don has even stopped denying it, I thought its about time for some news about the new Icon 2 that Maple Leaf Design is developing. Its been in the works for over a year, and news has been leaking for a while. Get in line folks - this is gonna be a biggy, both literally and figuratively. Designed by the intrepid Dr. Mark Drela, this new high aspect ratio F3J/Thermal Duration plane has a wing span of 150 (3.81 m) and a VERY slender 2.4 friendly pod and carbon boom. I have had the privilege of fondling the parts and pieces as the design was developed, and I can tell you that this plane is way-cool. The first prototypes of the Icon 2 are being tested as I type this, and the first production planes (mine - VBG) will be delivered just after the first of the year. I understand there's already a list. No - I don't have photos or drawings.and leave Don alone - he's busy working on my planes. Just get on the list. Whahooo... Steve Johnson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2
So guys, here is my take on the line break issue. It is very much like the F3B style...of course. The system that is breaking the lines is the motor power and line strength combination. If you attached the line to a brick wall and hit the switch the motors we use today will break all but the freshest, unflawed lines. So, what needs to be done for contest management is to inhibit (by resistor) the power of the motors such that when stalled they can't break a line that is 80% of its nominal strength. Then, as contest director, you say to the contestants go ahead, full pedal the suckers, you only get so much power anyway. I mean seriously, why should the contest managers cater to anyone. Set the rules, set up the equipment so that is reliable and idiot proof, and invite contestants. You might want to add a complaint department, or committee to your staff, but this should be easily accomplished by strategically placing a cardboard cutout or the CD way off in the far corner of the field so complaning parties can get their frustrations out without the rest of us having to hear about it :-) There you go. THE PERFECT SOLUTION. Respectfully submitted, Mike Smith Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 From: Darwin N. Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 11:16 am To: Joe Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Come on Joe, we've been saying this for years and it hasn't worked. See my other post for the direct issues. Darwin On Dec 20, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Joe Rodriguez wrote: Don't change the line Learn how to launch If you go big and break the line!! fly it out!! You launch on the same equipment that everyone else is using, no need to change equipment for the select few Learn to launch and besides who says bigger is better(-: Airbus is sure having a tough time. smokinjoe - Original Message - From: Darwin N. Barrie To: soaring@airage.com ; SC Johnson Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euro models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming more prevelant. Heavy enough line for these new super ships, will be a burden for the lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and a few big ones. We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes but the lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the line drag and weight. Where do we draw the line? Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ - Original Message - From: SC Johnson To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:08 AM Subject: [RCSE] Icon 2 OK all you sailplane junkies (Edgar, DP, you know who you are...) - there's been a lot of discussion about the new High End and some vague comparisons to the old Icon. Since Don has even stopped denying it, I thought its about time for some news about the new Icon 2 that Maple Leaf Design is developing. Its been in the works for over a year, and news has been leaking for a while. Get in line folks - this is gonna be a biggy, both literally and figuratively. Designed by the intrepid Dr. Mark Drela, this new high aspect ratio F3J/Thermal Duration plane has a wing span of 150 (3.81 m) and a VERY slender 2.4 friendly pod and carbon boom. I have had the privilege of fondling the parts and pieces as the design was developed, and I can tell you that this plane is way-cool. The first prototypes of the Icon 2 are being tested as I type this, and the first production planes (mine - VBG) will be delivered just after the first of the year. I understand there's already a list. No - I don't have photos or drawings.and leave Don alone - he's busy working on my planes. Just get on the list. Whahooo... Steve Johnson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2
... and as for that complaint department... make sure you stock up on plenty of bananas to feed them... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So guys, here is my take on the line break issue. It is very much like the F3B style...of course. The system that is breaking the lines is the motor power and line strength combination. If you attached the line to a brick wall and hit the switch the motors we use today will break all but the freshest, unflawed lines. So, what needs to be done for contest management is to inhibit (by resistor) the power of the motors such that when stalled they can't break a line that is 80% of its nominal strength. Then, as contest director, you say to the contestants go ahead, full pedal the suckers, you only get so much power anyway. I mean seriously, why should the contest managers cater to anyone. Set the rules, set up the equipment so that is reliable and idiot proof, and invite contestants. You might want to add a complaint department, or committee to your staff, but this should be easily accomplished by strategically placing a cardboard cutout or the CD way off in the far corner of the field so complaning parties can get their frustrations out without the rest of us having to hear about it :-) There you go. THE PERFECT SOLUTION. Respectfully submitted, Mike Smith Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 From: Darwin N. Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 11:16 am To: Joe Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Come on Joe, we've been saying this for years and it hasn't worked. See my other post for the direct issues. Darwin On Dec 20, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Joe Rodriguez wrote: Don't change the line Learn how to launch If you go big and break the line!! fly it out!! You launch on the same equipment that everyone else is using, no need to change equipment for the select few Learn to launch and besides who says bigger is better(-: Airbus is sure having a tough time. smokinjoe - Original Message - From: Darwin N. Barrie To: soaring@airage.com ; SC Johnson Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euro models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming more prevelant. Heavy enough line for these new super ships, will be a burden for the lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and a few big ones. We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes but the lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the line drag and weight. Where do we draw the line? Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ - Original Message - From: SC Johnson To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:08 AM Subject: [RCSE] Icon 2 OK all you sailplane junkies (Edgar, DP, you know who you are...) - there's been a lot of discussion about the new High End and some vague comparisons to the old Icon. Since Don has even stopped denying it, I thought its about time for some news about the new Icon 2 that Maple Leaf Design is developing. Its been in the works for over a year, and news has been leaking for a while. Get in line folks - this is gonna be a biggy, both literally and figuratively. Designed by the intrepid Dr. Mark Drela, this new high aspect ratio F3J/Thermal Duration plane has a wing span of 150 (3.81 m) and a VERY slender 2.4 friendly pod and carbon boom. I have had the privilege of fondling the parts and pieces as the design was developed, and I can tell you that this plane is way-cool. The first prototypes of the Icon 2 are being tested as I type this, and the first production planes (mine - VBG) will be delivered just after the first of the year. I understand there's already a list. No - I don't have photos or drawings.and leave Don alone - he's busy working on my planes. Just get on the list. Whahooo... Steve Johnson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format !DSPAM:476abd0710721830516297! -- Kurt W. Zimmerman Database Administrator www.RegionalHelpWanted.com,Inc. - Long Name. Amazing Results! - 2007 New York Technology Fast 50 Award - WEDDLE's 2004, 2005 User's Choice Award Winner www.cupid.com www.purplepages.com One Civic Center Plaza, Suite 506 Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 845.471.5200 x170 f: 845.485.8398 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web
RE: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2
Mike Smith wrote: There you go. THE PERFECT SOLUTION. But how does this help you? Don't you need a SHARON solution? -l RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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HE he, I get it. Embarrased to say that it took me a while though. Happy Holidays to all you nutty glider guiders out there. Tip a few egg nogs, enjoy a nice cigar, and look forward to the '08 season. Cheers all. Mike There you go. THE PERFECT SOLUTION.But how does this help you? Don't you need a SHARON solution?-l RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2
Maybe a weak link in the line or auto release like you have with full sized sailplanes is the answer -- they harder they try, the lower they launch. Its only a minority who feel they have to really stress out the launch kit. People who fly Sharons, for example (they know who they are, Lex). I think they do this to break the winch so that whatever lift they find they can keep to themselves since fixing the mess after one of these gorilla types has had their way with the kit takes about a thermal cycle. Martin Usher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2
Thanks you Mike for suggesting a resistor. I just finished making 6 resistors for the CASL Phoenix contest in February for the sole purpose of making less powerful Ford Long Shaft winches. The winches will be less powerful than last years winches because of the many line breaks last year. The line breaks really slowed down the contest even though we had several experienced winch/retriever operators there to repair the lines. So, you people coming to Phoenix in February, start tapping the winch lines to get a feel for winches with resistors. Rick Rick Bothell www.handsfreeretriever.com On Thu Dec 20 11:38 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: So guys, here is my take on the line break issue. It is very much like the F3B style...of course. The system that is breaking the lines is the motor power and line strength combination. If you attached the line to a brick wall and hit the switch the motors we use today will break all but the freshest, unflawed lines. So, what needs to be done for contest management is to inhibit (by resistor) the power of the motors such that when stalled they can't break a line that is 80% of its nominal strength. Then, as contest director, you say to the contestants "go ahead, full pedal the suckers, you only get so much power anyway". I mean seriously, why should the contest managers cater to anyone. Set the rules, set up the equipment so that is reliable and idiot proof, and invite contestants. You might want to add a complaint department, or committee to your staff, but this should be easily accomplished by strategically placing a cardboard cutout or the CD way off in the far corner of the field so complaning parties can get their frustrations out without the rest of us having to hear about it :-) There you go. THE PERFECT SOLUTION. Respectfully submitted, Mike Smith Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 From: "Darwin N. Barrie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 11:16 am To: "Joe Rodriguez" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Come on Joe, we've been saying this for years and it hasn't worked. See my other post for the direct issues. Darwin On Dec 20, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Joe Rodriguez wrote: Don't change the line " Learn how to launch " If you go big and break the line!! fly it out!! You launch on the same equipment that everyone else is using, no need to change equipment for the select few " Learn to launch " and besides who says bigger is better(-: Airbus is sure having a tough time. smokinjoe - Original Message - From: Darwin N. Barrie To: soaring@airage.com ; SC Johnson Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euro models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming more prevelant. Heavy enough line for these new "super ships," will be a burden for the lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and a few big ones. We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes but the lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the line drag and weight. Where do we draw the line? Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ - Original Message - From: SC Johnson To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:08 AM Subject: [RCSE] Icon 2 OK all you sailplane junkies (Edgar, DP, you know who you are...) - there's been a lot of discussion about the new High End and some vague comparisons to the "old" Icon. Since Don has even stopped denying it, I thought its about time for some news about the new Icon 2 that Maple Leaf Design is developing. Its been in the works for over a year, and news has been leaking for a while. Get in line folks - this is gonna be a biggy, both literally and figuratively. Designed by the intrepid Dr. Mark Drela, this new high aspect ratio F3J/Thermal Duration plane has a wing span of 150" (3.81 m) and a VERY slender 2.4 friendly pod and carbon boom. I have had the privilege of fondling the parts and pieces as the design was developed, and I can tell you that this plane is way-cool. The first prototypes of the Icon 2 are being tested as I type this, and the first production planes (mine - VBG) will be delivered just after the first of the year. I understand there's already a list. No - I don't have photos or drawings.and leave Don alone - he's busy working on my planes. Just get on the list. Whahooo... Steve Johnson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.netRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and
RE: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2
heh, heh, perfect Rick. That really is the only solution. People can't be counted on to go easy on the equipment no matter how much pleading is done. Don't forget to do the cardboard cut out of the CD for the complaints. This is essential. The other notable benefit is that we will all know where Gordy will be. ;-) Mike Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management- was Icon 2From: Rick Bothell [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 4:02 pmTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: soaring@airage.comThanks you Mike for suggesting a resistor. I just finished making 6 resistors for the CASL Phoenix contest in February for the sole purpose of making less powerful Ford Long Shaft winches. The winches will be less powerful than last years winches because of the many line breaks last year. The line breaks really slowed down the contest even though we had several experienced winch/retriever operators there to repair the lines. So, you people coming to Phoenix in February, start tapping the winch lines to get a feel for winches with resistors. RickRick Bothell www.handsfreeretriever.com On Thu Dec 20 11:38 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: So guys, here is my take on the line break issue. It is very much likethe F3B style...of course. The system that is breaking the lines is the motor power and linestrength combination. If you attached the line to a brick wall and hitthe switch the motors we use today will break all but the freshest,unflawed lines. So, what needs to be done for contest management is to inhibit (byresistor) the power of the motors such that when stalled they can'tbreak a line that is 80% of its nominal strength. Then, as contestdirector, you say to the contestants "go ahead, full pedal the suckers,you only get so much power anyway". I mean seriously, why should thecontest managers cater to anyone. Set the rules, set up the equipmentso that is reliable and idiot proof, and invite contestants. You might want to add a complaint department, or committee to yourstaff, but this should be easily accomplished by strategically placing acardboard cutout or the CD way off in the far corner of the field socomplaning parties can get their frustrations out without the rest of ushaving to hear about it :-)There you go. THE PERFECT SOLUTION.Respectfully submitted,Mike Smith Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2From: "Darwin N. Barrie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 11:16 amTo: "Joe Rodriguez" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: soaring@airage.comCome on Joe, we've been saying this for years and it hasn't worked. Seemy other post for the direct issues.DarwinOn Dec 20, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Joe Rodriguez wrote:Don't change the line " Learn how to launch " If you go big and breakthe line!! fly it out!! You launch on the same equipment that everyoneelse is using, no need to change equipment for the select few " Learn tolaunch "and besides who says bigger is better(-: Airbus is sure having a toughtime.smokinjoe- Original Message -From: Darwin N. BarrieTo: soaring@airage.com ; SC JohnsonSent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:48 AMSubject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euromodels. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop ofmoldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becomingmore prevelant. Heavy enough line for these new "super ships," will bea burden for the lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and afew big ones.We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes butthe lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the linedrag and weight.Where do we draw the line?Darwin N. BarrieChandler AZ- Original Message -From: SC JohnsonTo: soaring@airage.comSent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:08 AMSubject: [RCSE] Icon 2OK all you sailplane junkies (Edgar, DP, you know who you are...) -there's been a lot of discussion about the new High End and some vaguecomparisons to the "old" Icon. Since Don has even stopped denying it, Ithought its about time for some news about the new Icon 2 that MapleLeaf Design is developing. Its been in the works for over a year, andnews has been leaking for a while. Get in line folks - this is gonna bea biggy, both literally and figuratively. Designed by the intrepid Dr.Mark Drela, this new high aspect ratio F3J/Thermal Duration plane has awing span of 150" (3.81 m) and a VERY slender 2.4 friendly pod andcarbon boom. I have had the privilege of fondling the parts and piecesas the design was developed, and I can tell you that this plane isway-cool. The first prototypes of the Icon 2 are being tested as I typethis, and the first production planes (mine - VBG) will be deliveredjust after the first of the year. I understand there's already a list. No - I don't have photos or drawings.and leave Don alone - he's busyworking on my p
Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2
Good discussions and comments. Glad to see you stepping up Rick and testing the waters. I for one think that the line is getting too heavy because the winches are just too powerful. So who's going to draft and propose the rules change? Should the wording and strength be same as F3B winches? I do not think monofilament will work on borrowed club winches it will just get too torn up and will be expensive to maintain. Bad monofilament line will break and delay a contest more than a FLS with 150# line. What will it cost to retrofit FLS winches to meet the new specification? At 05:02 PM 12/20/2007, Rick Bothell wrote: Thanks you Mike for suggesting a resistor. I just finished making 6 resistors for the CASL Phoenix contest in February for the sole purpose of making less powerful Ford Long Shaft winches. The winches will be less powerful than last years winches because of the many line breaks last year. The line breaks really slowed down the contest even though we had several experienced winch/retriever operators there to repair the lines. So, you people coming to Phoenix in February, start tapping the winch lines to get a feel for winches with resistors. Rick Rick Bothell www.handsfreeretriever.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2
Hey Tony E., you are wrong about the largest ship to win the Nats. It was DP with his Insanity, 3.7M. And for the record, the line used at the Nats is 290# line from MT. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Hey Marc, The funny thing about that is that the Sharon is a 3.7meter ship, and it won in '04. hm!!! That beats the Insanity. Of course if you used wing area as a criteria, then Insanity would reign since it is truly Carbon Overcast when it is flying... ;-) Happy Holidays. Mike Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management- was Icon 2From: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 4:19 pmTo: Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.comHey Tony E., you are wrong about the largest ship to win the Nats. It was DP with his Insanity, 3.7M.And for the record, the line used at the Nats is 290# line from MT.MarcRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring-request@airage.com. Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2
You should investigate options on the field coils. The FLS can be built as a 6V, 12V, or 24V. You definitely do not want the 6V variety But that is just what most people try to get to be more powerful. Beware of resistors. Lots of heat. Remember, with the resistor, folks are just going to stand on it all the way up. Rick Bothell wrote: Thanks you Mike for suggesting a resistor. I just finished making 6 resistors for the CASL Phoenix contest in February for the sole purpose of making less powerful Ford Long Shaft winches. The winches will be less powerful than last years winches because of the many line breaks last year. The line breaks really slowed down the contest even though we had several experienced winch/retriever operators there to repair the lines. So, you people coming to Phoenix in February, start tapping the winch lines to get a feel for winches with resistors. Rick RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Also, if you have real balls, you can adjust the timing to make the winch weaker. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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It's not a big thrill to me, but I think most flyers really enjoy the big zooms. I got a 12V wind motor because I didn't know any better. It launches gliders fine, even big ones(134 and 85 oz.), but it doesn't power the big zoom. Academic for me now because somehow I lost track of it in the last move. And it had a Goughner (sp?) drum. Mike Lachowski wrote: You should investigate options on the field coils. The FLS can be built as a 6V, 12V, or 24V. You definitely do not want the 6V variety But that is just what most people try to get to be more powerful. Beware of resistors. Lots of heat. Remember, with the resistor, folks are just going to stand on it all the way up. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management
Gordy is right. I made a poor word selection. No one FORCES anyone to do anything. My intention was to say that, in order to remain competitive, you will likely find it necessary to go to stronger, more expensive planes. This makes it harder for sport flyers who do not have big budgtes to enter into a competitive position. We have seen this in auto racing. Now there are restricter plates on the intake systems to limit the power of the cars. Things were getting too fast and too dangerous so they are restricting that part of the competitive race. I think US style winch launched TD competitions could take a lesson from this approach. Thanks for correcting me Gordy. Ed Anderson LISF From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 1:19 pm To: Soaring@airage.com Every time you make the winches stronger and the line heavier you FORCE people to move to stronger, more expensive planes which takes this hobby further and further from the sport flyer. NO one forces Americans to do anything. A big part of our deal is that we get to 'chose' what we do and buy. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
