Re: Re[2]: Everything's being said.

2014-03-27 Thread Perry Harovas
Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.com Cc: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Gesendet: 26.03.2014 18:37:21 Betreff: Re: Everything's being said. Right. That's how I understood it as well. My point was, this could have been slightly less of a PR disaster if they'd

Fw: Re[4]: Everything's being said.

2014-03-27 Thread Eugen Sares
@listproc.autodesk.com Gesendet: 27.03.2014 13:16:47 Betreff: Re: Re[2]: Everything's being said. This is perhaps the sanest, most relevant thing I have heard in at least a week (including things I have posted myself). I totally agree Eugen, nicely worded! --- Diese E-Mail ist frei von

Re: Fw: Re[4]: Everything's being said.

2014-03-27 Thread Leendert A. Hartog
Price/investment-wise you should obviously take the much higher subscription fee into account. Something they apparently do make worth your while, i.e. support is good apparently, but still.. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT

Re: Fw: Re[4]: Everything's being said.

2014-03-27 Thread Mirko Jankovic
Subscription wise, what is actually more expensive: 500 EUR for little to non updates 5000 EUR for fast progress and daily builds? I know a bit too much but just something to think about. Honestly bug fixes shouldn't be paid for but integral part of the price you pay so even if you buy software

Re: Fw: Re[4]: Everything's being said.

2014-03-27 Thread Leendert A. Hartog
Oh, I agree for the most part. I was talking merely as an accountant (which I am not) The difference between AD's approach to support/subscription and SideFX's is quite telling (but so - in the end - is the price difference) Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA

Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread Emilio Hernandez
Well, everything's being said. Thank you Maurice and Chris for taking the time to response all of our question, doubts, conspiracy theories, etc. Thanks to the people of Autodesk that came in to bring some light to the users that are in the need or feel to migrate to MAX/Maya option, and took

Re: Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread Vincent Fortin
And a big thanks to the devs in Singapore for this final release. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.comwrote: Well, everything's being said. Thank you Maurice and Chris for taking the time to response all of our question, doubts, conspiracy theories, etc

Re: Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread olivier jeannel
Are you going somewhere ? Le 26/03/2014 15:40, Emilio Hernandez a écrit : Well, everything's being said. Thank you Maurice and Chris for taking the time to response all of our question, doubts, conspiracy theories, etc. Thanks to the people of Autodesk that came in to bring some light

Re: Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread David Saber
is all hope lost?

Re: Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread olivier jeannel
Yes :D Le 26/03/2014 16:15, David Saber a écrit : is all hope lost?

Re: Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread Leoung O'Young
pipeline. The killing of Soft reminds me of a traumatic event in a family which tend to bring people within the family closer together. I want to acknowledged Maurice's help...thanks. Thanks everyone, Leoung On 26/03/2014 10:40 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: Well, everything's being said. Thank

Re: Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread David Saber
I see you've recovered from your depression Olivier. What's your trick? :| On 2014-03-26 16:50, olivier jeannel wrote: Yes :D Le 26/03/2014 16:15, David Saber a écrit : is all hope lost?

Re: Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread olivier jeannel
...cynicism There is just nothing to wait from those type of people. They are building their beautiful word no matter if it ruins yours. They make sentences, write words in a way that is convenient and polite for them (beeing polite counts above all). They inocently ask for your help (just

Re: Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread Leoung O'Young
You never know, they may resurrect Soft within the 2 years...we can only hope and dream On 26/03/2014 12:17 PM, olivier jeannel wrote: ...cynicism There is just nothing to wait from those type of people. They are building their beautiful word no matter if it ruins yours. They make sentences,

Re: Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread Paul Griswold
I am still somewhat hopeful that as the months go by, Autodesk will at the very least reverse direction on completely murdering Softimage and will at least continue to bundle it with Max and Maya as a particle plugin. That would give a much better cushion for the Bifrost team to build their

Re: Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread Andres Stephens
+1 -Draise From: Paul Griswold Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎26‎, ‎2014 ‎11‎:‎52‎ ‎ To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com I am still somewhat hopeful that as the months go by, Autodesk will at the very least reverse direction on completely murdering Softimage and will at least continue to

Re: Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread Eric Thivierge
Uh... they are... if you keep your subscription current you have access to Softimage continually. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:51:41 PM, Paul Griswold wrote: I am still somewhat hopeful that as the months go by, Autodesk will at the very least reverse direction on completely murdering

Re: Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread Paul Griswold
So in 2 years if I want to buy an Ultimate Suite as a new license I will get Softimage included? If so, I'm slightly less ticked off. -Paul On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote: Uh... they are... if you keep your subscription current you have access

Re: Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread Eric Thivierge
This has all been made crystal clear over the last few weeks. No, if you keep your subscription current you will be able to. It's a legacy subscription benefit. I think it's crazy for people to not keep their subscription up to date for at least this next year to be able to get Softimage 2015.

Re: Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread Paul Griswold
Right. That's how I understood it as well. My point was, this could have been slightly less of a PR disaster if they'd not completely murdered Softimage, but instead set it up as a graceful transition to Bifrost. Allow Softimage to continue to be purchased as part of the Suites program until

Re: Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread Cristobal Infante
By the way you have until this friday to buy a standalone version of softimage... On 26 March 2014 17:37, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: Right. That's how I understood it as well. My point was, this could have been slightly less of a PR disaster if they'd not

Re: Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread Eric Thivierge
Not going to argue over this as it's been gone around in circles for 3 weeks now. Plenty of posts by Maurice and Chris about why they've done it this way (whether you agree or not), why they can't sell it any longer. The current user base has their options. I'm thankful we can have access to

Re[2]: Everything's being said.

2014-03-26 Thread Eugen Sares
Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.com Cc: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Gesendet: 26.03.2014 18:37:21 Betreff: Re: Everything's being said. Right. That's how I understood it as well. My point was, this could have been slightly less of a PR disaster if they'd not completely