Reminder - Don't forget to join us for a few beers!
Jordi Bares
jordiba...@gmail.com
On 17 Mar 2014, at 18:42, Perry Harovas perryharo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote:
For those of you in London this Thursday, just to let know now
Thanks Vincent. Others have also mailed me off list to point this out.
I'm really starting to like what I see in Houdini. :)
DAN
Sent from my phone...
On 18 Mar 2014 17:45, Vincent Fortin vfor...@gmail.com wrote:
Middle-click drag to move branches around
Shift-drag for upstream
Ctrl-drag
Are you referring to the modelling toolkit?
I'm modelling something with it at the moment, and yes.. never seen
before could be used as a description.
back to stage 2.
G
On 2014/03/17 06:45 PM, Emilio Hernandez wrote:
Or it was the brand new, never seen before non-destructive bevel
tool that
://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation
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To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage@listproc.autodesk.com]
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Lost it here too
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Received: Monday, 17 Mar 2014, 4:42PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage@listproc.autodesk.com]
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Lost it here too.
Ironically, it probably has saved my
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So, Bifrost is a kind of external plugin...ok...water effect was cool...but
beside fluid sim what else could be done?
I would love to se a side by side comparison on the same task using ICE and
Bifrost
Another thing
I know we get Maya for free but,do we get bifrost for free, or do we pay
for this softimage replacer ?
G
After watching the incredible new Bifrost, It is years behind ICE at least
from what they proudly show. For me it looked more like a plugin
integration. Where one app invokes another app and you have inside
functionality within the host app.
I even think that Vue for Softimage/MAX/Maya is
Looking online I cannot find any other visible information about Bifrost.
The guy was talking about a node-based editor similar to ICE ( in the
future or could he show us something? ), but based on the video is just
particles simulated ( externally ) and a couple of deformers for them...and
again,
After looking at the bifrost demo I have to say I am disappointed as well,
maybe because the demo doesn't really comply with my normal fx workflow.
It feels like: Lets get working with bifrost and start caching straight
away! wait a sec, I haven't even starting with my sim and I am already
I have no doubt the effort into Maya will be positive, finally seems they have
taken development seriously in Maya after years of stagnation, I would happily
move to Maya if they had ICE ready to go, the interface fully revamped to
something modern from the workflow point of view as well as
the Maya guys here are scoffing out loud at that video. the newest
greatest feature of Maya is a Boolean - which is talked about for 15
minutes in a Softimage EOL video.
On 18 March 2014 10:50, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote:
I have no doubt the effort into Maya will be positive,
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Dan Yargici danyarg...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm starting to think Houdini-land might be where I build my new home -
or at least a holiday home...
Come on in, the water's fine!
After watching the whole video of the live session I recommend watching this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-4JpeSF_2g
This is a hard pill to swallow Autodesk… really hard.
Specially when you learn Bifrost is an external engine, something you could
plug very easily into ICE and will be truly
The one constant in both videos is notable also, of course...
--
Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist
AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:04 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2014/03/17 06:45 PM, Emilio Hernandez wrote:
Or it was the brand new, never seen before non-destructive bevel tool that
at the end was destructive.
Are you referring to the modelling toolkit?
I'm modelling something
Thanks Ciaran, seems quite nice so far! I guess it's really the hundreds
of little things I'll miss in the end.
For instance I've been doing some tutorials on material editing this
morning and sorely missed the ability to Middle-click drag to move branches
around the SHOP editor.
Just one of
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking online I cannot find any other visible information about Bifrost.
The guy was talking about a node-based editor similar to ICE ( in the future
or could he show us something? ), but based on the video is just
On 03/18/14 8:25, Luc-Eric Rousseau wrote:
*/_It's not a merely a particle sim_/*, you can read more about fluid tech :
https://www.fxguide.com/featured/the-science-of-fluid-sims/ Bifrost
is new work from Robert Bridson mentioned in that article.
Lol! (doesn't that sound familiar ;)
@Luc-Eric: Thanks for the info :)
2014-03-18 13:43 GMT+01:00 Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com:
On 03/18/14 8:25, Luc-Eric Rousseau wrote:
*It's not a merely a particle sim*, you can read more about fluid tech :
https://www.fxguide.com/featured/the-science-of-fluid-sims/
Bifrost
is new
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On 03/18/14 8:25, Luc-Eric Rousseau wrote:
Its not a merely a particle sim, you can read more about fluid tech :
https://www.fxguide.com/featured/the-science-of-fluid-sims/ Bifrost
is new work from Robert Bridson
to announce the end of Maya to focus all our
efforts on 3dsMax.
*Gesendet:* Dienstag, 18. März 2014 um 13:43 Uhr
*Von:* Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com
*An:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Betreff:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
On 03/18/14 8:25, Luc-Eric Rousseau wrote
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Aw: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
In two years:
Maya with its main feature Bifrost, a perfect companion to 3dsMax!
In five years:
We are sorry but we have to announce the end of Maya to focus all our efforts
on 3dsMax.
Gesendet
Middle-click drag to move branches around
Shift-drag for upstream
Ctrl-drag for downstream
you're welcome ;-)
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Dan Yargici danyarg...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Ciaran, seems quite nice so far! I guess it's really the hundreds
of little things I'll miss in the
http://area.autodesk.com/softimagetransition
Question added.
Artur
2014-03-17 16:46 GMT+01:00 Marc-Andre Carbonneau
marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com:
http://area.autodesk.com/softimagetransition
Thank you for the link Marc. I’m finally in the acceptance stage of grief and
am resigning myself to using Maya, learning Houdini and continuing to use
Softimage as is. I hope they show of some of the upcoming Maya “Humanization”
plans (not just shove ICE into maya). Again, best of luck to
It’s actually not working for me. ☹ anyone got it to work?
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Sent: 17 mars 2014 11:59
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar
[mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *sku...@gmail.com
*Sent:* 17 mars 2014 11:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I’m finally in the acceptance stage of grief
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I'm finally in the acceptance stage of
grief and am resigning myself to using Maya, learning Houdini and
continuing to use Softimage as is. I hope they show of some
webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I'm finally in the acceptance stage of
grief and am resigning myself to using Maya, learning Houdini and
continuing to use Softimage as is. I hope they show of some of the
upcoming Maya Humanization plans (not just shove ICE
...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *sku...@gmail.com
*Sent:* 17 mars 2014 11:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I'm finally
: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I'm finally in the acceptance stage of
grief and am resigning myself to using Maya, learning Houdini and
continuing to use Softimage as is. I hope they show of some of the
upcoming Maya Humanization plans
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is
starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I’m finally in the
acceptance
mars 2014 11:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I’m finally in the acceptance stage of
grief and am resigning myself to using Maya, learning Houdini and
continuing to use Softimage
@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar
is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I’m finally in
the acceptance stage of grief and am
[mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *
sku...@gmail.com
*Sent:* 17 mars 2014 11:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10
minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I’m finally in the acceptance stage of
grief
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I’m finally in the acceptance stage of
grief and am resigning myself to using Maya, learning Houdini and
continuing to use Softimage as is. I hope they show of some of the
upcoming Maya
actually not working for me. L anyone got it to work?
*From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *
sku...@gmail.com
*Sent:* 17 mars 2014 11:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar
: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10
minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I’m finally in the acceptance stage of
grief and am resigning myself to using Maya, learning Houdini and
continuing to use Softimage as is. I hope they show of some of the
upcoming Maya “Humanization” plans
Has the presentation just crashed? he was about to outline the short, mid and
long term road map? Getting the loading icon...
Are. ..that was probably the most interesting bit..
Sofronis Efstathiou
Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Festival Director
Computer Animation Academic Group
: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I'm finally in the acceptance stage of
grief and am resigning myself to using Maya, learning Houdini and
continuing to use Softimage as is. I hope they show of some of the
upcoming Maya Humanization plans
...@gmail.com mailto:sku...@gmail.com
*Sent:* 17 mars 2014 11:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in
10 minutes
Thank you
transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I'm finally in the acceptance stage of
grief and am resigning myself to using Maya, learning Houdini and
continuing to use Softimage as is. I hope they show of some of the
upcoming Maya Humanization plans (not just shove ICE
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Aye, the stream just died here too.
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Greg Punchatz g...@janimation.com wrote:
just lost link
_
Greg Punchatz
Sr. Creative Director
Janimation
214.823.7760
www.janimation.com
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*Sent:* 17 mars 2014 11:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I'm
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar
is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I’m finally in
the acceptance stage of grief and am
resigning myself to using Maya, learning
] On Behalf Of
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Sent: 17 mars 2014 11:59
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I’m finally in the acceptance stage of grief
and am resigning myself to using Maya, learning Houdini
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softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *
sku...@gmail.com
*Sent:* 17 mars 2014 11:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I'm finally
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softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *
sku...@gmail.com
*Sent:* 17 mars 2014 11:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc
?
a
--
*From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathias N
*Sent:* 17 March 2014 16:27
*To:* softimage
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Aye, the stream just died here too.
On Mon
*Sent:* 17 mars 2014 11:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I'm finally in the acceptance stage of
grief and am resigning myself to using Maya, learning Houdini and
continuing to use
Hopefully a pissed off Carl Bass stormed in and pulled the plug... I can
only hope :)
*Greg Punchatz*
*Sr. Creative Director*
Janimation
214.823.7760
www.janimation.com http://www.janimation.com
On 3/17/2014 11:32 AM,
So it's burried. We're folks, but it's Maya or die.
Le 17/03/2014 17:32, Sofronis Efstathiou a écrit :
Has the presentation just crashed? he was about to outline the short, mid and
long term road map? Getting the loading icon...
Are. ..that was probably the most interesting bit..
Sofronis
:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I'm finally in the acceptance stage of
grief and am resigning myself to using Maya, learning Houdini and
continuing to use Softimage as is. I hope they show of some of the
upcoming Maya Humanization
-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *
sku...@gmail.com
*Sent:* 17 mars 2014 11:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I'm finally in the acceptance stage of
grief and am resigning
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I'm finally in the acceptance stage of
grief and am resigning myself to using Maya, learning Houdini and
continuing to use Softimage as is. I hope they show of some of the
upcoming Maya
[mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *
sku...@gmail.com
*Sent:* 17 mars 2014 11:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I’m finally in the acceptance stage
:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is
starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc
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sku...@gmail.com
*Sent:* 17 mars 2014 11:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I'm finally in the acceptance stage of
grief and am resigning myself to using
Maybe they turned off the Softimage webinar right in the middle of us
watching it in order to free up some bandwidth for a Maya webinar?
Makes sense, or maybe they should just tag the softimage webinar onto the
maya webinar, and call it progress.
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Greg Punchatz
it to work?
*From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *
sku...@gmail.com
*Sent:* 17 mars 2014 11:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you
@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is
starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I’m finally in the
acceptance stage of grief and am resigning myself
to using
...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *
sku...@gmail.com
*Sent:* 17 mars 2014 11:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10
minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I'm finally
it to work?
*From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *
sku...@gmail.com
*Sent:* 17 mars 2014 11:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I'm finally in the acceptance stage of
grief and am resigning myself to using Maya, learning Houdini and
continuing to use Softimage as is. I hope they show of some of the
upcoming Maya Humanization
mars 2014 11:59
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10
minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I'm finally in the acceptance stage of
grief and am resigning myself to using Maya, learning Houdini and
continuing to use Softimage
can't do right?
a
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mathias N
Sent: 17 March 2014 16:27
To: softimage
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Aye, the stream just died
YOU??
On 2014-03-17 17:36, Emilio Hernandez wrote:
Was about to shelf Softimage...
@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10
minutes
Thank you for the link Marc. I’m finally in the acceptance stage of
grief and am resigning myself to using Maya, learning Houdini and
continuing to use Softimage as is. I hope they show of some of the
upcoming Maya
time for your medication
_
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hinkson
Sent: 17 March 2014 16:44
To: Softimage List
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
On the plus side
: Monday, 17 Mar 2014, 4:42PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage@listproc.autodesk.com]
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Lost it here too.
Ironically, it probably has saved my life, since my blood pressure was rising
to catastrophic levels watching
/NCCADigitalFX
http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation
-Original Message-
From: Perry Harovas [perryharo...@gmail.com]
Received: Monday, 17 Mar 2014, 4:42PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage@listproc.autodesk.com]
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saQJ8z4714w
---
Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation.
Of Sofronis
Efstathiou
Sent: 17 March 2014 16:46
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
It just started from the beginning...forwarded to 38mins then back to crappy
soundtrack...guess time for the pub?
Sofronis Efstathiou
Postgraduate
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Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Lost it here too.
Ironically, it probably has saved my life, since my blood pressure was
rising to catastrophic levels watching it.
Wow, can't even get a webinar right to answer questions?
Really amazing how
mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
[softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com]
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10
minutes
Lost it here too.
Ironically, it probably has saved my life, since my
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage@listproc.autodesk.com]
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Lost it here too.
Ironically, it probably has saved my life, since my blood pressure was
rising to catastrophic levels watching it.
Wow, can't even get a webinar right
http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation
-Original Message-
From: Perry Harovas [perryharo...@gmail.com]
Received: Monday, 17 Mar 2014, 4:42PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage@listproc.autodesk.com]
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Lost
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage@listproc.autodesk.com]
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Lost it here too.
Ironically, it probably has saved my life, since my blood pressure was rising
to catastrophic levels watching it.
Wow, can't even get
: Perry Harovas [perryharo...@gmail.com]
Received: Monday, 17 Mar 2014, 4:42PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage@listproc.autodesk.com]
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Lost it here too.
Ironically, it probably has saved my life, since my blood
@listproc.autodesk.com]
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Lost it here too.
Ironically, it probably has saved my life, since my blood pressure was
rising to catastrophic levels watching it.
Wow, can't even get a webinar right to answer questions?
Really amazing how little has
Well there goes a good bunch to other than Autodesk. Maybe now they will
know for sure how many Maya users were not.
--
---
Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation.
-Original Message-
From: Perry Harovas [perryharo...@gmail.com]
Received: Monday, 17 Mar 2014, 4:42PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage@listproc.autodesk.com]
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Lost it here too.
Ironically, it probably has
Message-
From: Perry Harovas [perryharo...@gmail.com]
Received: Monday, 17 Mar 2014, 4:42PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage@listproc.autodesk.com]
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Lost it here too.
Ironically, it probably has saved my life
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage@listproc.autodesk.com]
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Lost it here too.
Ironically, it probably has saved my life, since my blood pressure was
rising to catastrophic levels watching it.
Wow, can't even get
@listproc.autodesk.com]
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Lost it here too.
Ironically, it probably has saved my life, since my blood pressure was
rising to catastrophic levels watching it.
Wow, can't even get a webinar right to answer questions?
Really amazing how
://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation
-Original Message-
From: Perry Harovas [perryharo...@gmail.com]
Received: Monday, 17 Mar 2014, 4:42PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage@listproc.autodesk.com]
Subject: Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
Lost it here too.
Ironically, it probably has saved my life, since my blood pressure was
rising to catastrophic levels watching it.
Wow, can't even get a webinar right to answer questions?
Really amazing how little has been put into this entire thing
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