Re: Salvage the list.

there was a prolonged period of troubles with the Google Groups. It could use the archive of the Google Mailing List though, as it doesn’t go that far back... Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com From: Francisco Criado Sent

Re: Salvage the list.

Naming it shouldn’t pose too much of a problem: simply recall it the XSI-mailing list as opposed to Autodeskian Softimage one Leendert Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Save Softimage on Facebook and Reddit

I wouldn’t say its overly negative. “3d will never be the same” is sad but it’s a fact IMHO... Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com www.3dwillneverbethesame.com Leendert From: Oliver Weingarten Sent: Wednesday, March 05

Re: Salvage the list.

When paraphrasing that fine piece of poetry, you shouldn’t forget to append the ominous “(click)” of the original... Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com From: Mirko Jankovic Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 6:52 PM

Re: Friday Flashback #162

If all evangelists had been that funny, there would've been way more religion in this world... :D Mark will be missed (especially also by Autodesk, to be honest. They won't find anyone like him ever again!) -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator

Re: Update to the Softtimage Transition Plan

Hi mr. Patel, I assume, hopefully correctly, the positive changes you outline here will find their way in writing to the official website soon as well. Could you please confirm this and give an estimate when such papers will be available? Thanks in advance! -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage

Re: Update to the Softtimage Transition Plan

versions cease to be available after three years even under this program. While I assume/hope the condition you've laid out in your OP to be correct, but if so the FAQ could use some clarification in this respect. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog -- Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue

Re: URGENT: Consolidation of Questions

But moving the items from the Mailing List to a Google doc won't do much good, unless you are able to set some clear ground rules as to its usage and the intended content (what should and what should not be included)... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi

Re: Update to the Softtimage Transition Plan

it although you would only access 2011, 2012, 2013 from the Subs center. Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Your postings...

! --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Your postings...

, but there is no reason to not be professional and respectful at the same time. That's how the list was when I joined and it's how I hope it would continue. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue

Re: Open letter to Autodesk

Brilliant letter, only your age surprised me a bit... ;) Alastair Hearsum schreef op 10-3-2014 11:20: *nearly 150 years old now* -- Leendert A. Hartog -- Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue -- Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Open letter to Autodesk

Eugen Sares schreef op 10-3-2014 12:30: The irony is - Softimage's death is the best publicity it ever got from Autodesk... QFA -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: [OT] Some musings regarding Blender...

Instating the UI team seemed a bit like a PR move (and not much more than that). It remains to be seen, if they're truly ready, willing and able to tackle the bigger UI problems Blender faces. Personally I doubt this. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator

Re: [OT] Some musings regarding Blender...

One would certainly think so, but Ton Roosendaals initial response to the UI criticism sounded a bit like very rigid thinking. You can find it here: http://code.blender.org/index.php/2013/10/redefining-blender/ Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue

Re: [OT] Some musings regarding Blender...

Indeed, it's pretty powerful. I was merely commenting on the UI situation... -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: just my 2 cents [Re:] Open letter to Autodesk

Tim Borgmann schreef op 11-3-2014 17:21: unfortunately my english is not good enough to express my feelings and thoughts about all this You could've easily left out the remark about your English. Nothing wrong with that. It's a very impressive statement! -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage

Re: Update to the Softtimage Transition Plan

in advance for your reply... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Please contribute: 3D WILL NEVER BE THE SAME

. So please contribute (details can be found here: http://www.si-community.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=4t=4929 ). Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: A germ of an idea.

Hi Paul, You might want to throw this idea at the si-community as well, unless you want it to be a Mailing List exclusive. ;) Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: A germ of an idea.

no real clue what's going on here so a quick reminder might help... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: SI and Houdini

Jordi Bares schreef op 12-3-2014 12:59: Just look at their Forum and you will see a SI Users sub-forum to discuss things. Them having set up a sub-forum for SI-users needn't mean that they're listening, though... :p -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue

Re: SI and Houdini

i don't doubt that they do listen, my remark was about instating the sub-forum signifying nothing as such. Look at the Area, the official Softimage forum has had hardly anyone from AD listening ever... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator

Re: OT: Music for Pooby's protest film

of Softimage is bright... click The future of Softimage is bright... click The future of Softimage is bright... click The future of Softimage is bright... click Sorry, couldn't resist... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner

Re: A germ of an idea.

Sounds like a good idea. Let's go with it!!! Too much discussion about the story at this point will only undo the whole project IMHO. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: A germ of an idea.

Hi Paul, In your possibly last act of coordinating this, I'd - if I were you - lock down your story idea as the way forward, in that a discussion how the story will ultimately play out stays on the table, but new story ideas needn't be discussed anymore... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert

Re: A germ of an idea.

Understood, but these kind of projects need decision makers and final decisions to even remotely get forward. That's why I mentioned it. Greetz Leendert p...@bustykelp.com schreef op 13-3-2014 12:35: I don't want to be a dictator -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue

Re: A germ of an idea.

the machine terms, not a very specific gripe between users and a software supplier. I fully agree and I think Greg would work well in this role as a protagonist as he's gone viral before (and knows what he's doing... ;)) -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator

Re: A germ of an idea.

One more thing to consider, even before you start contemplating impact, is that you need something you can actually finish before the inevitable in-fighting kills all initiative... -- Leendert A. Hartog -- Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue -- Administrator @, NOT the owner of si

Re: A germ of an idea.

I hope you're right. I'm just pointing this out because I've seen it happen before... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: MAYA community

I don't know about any mailing list, but on the forum side of things Luc-Eric Rousseau directed me to CGTalk... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: MAYA community

Hi, Not to derail this conversation, but as an Admin @ the si-community the statement too much effort to read interests me. Could you perhaps elaborate a bit on that? -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: MAYA community

be to one of the sections lower down. Back in the day of XSI Base, it was a bit of both, as the most recent X posts were listed on the front page. That's my take on it. True, but easily fixed, obviously: bookmark the active topics page... -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi

Re: MAYA community

True, although forums do have their own benefits, obviously. I won't delve deeper into this now, I might start a new thread at a later date as the difference between forums and mailing list and the way they are perceived still is a fascinating subject IMHO. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert

Re: MAYA community

it? For this to work you still have to register. But once that's out of the way, you never even have to visit the again site except to reply to posts. Ed -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: MAYA community

PS - And to hurt my case even more :D, you'd probably only receive ONE notification until you log on again... Never tested this myself, I've got the Active Topics bookmarked. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass

Well, the true nature of an open letter is that it needs to be published, not sent! Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass

What's the exact address of your Facebook page? That would seem a good place to link to... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass

Let the retweeting commence... https://twitter.com/HiraziB/status/444888249572786176 @Angus - please do, I post too much as it is! Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Word from Cory Mogk?

I probably must have missed something, if so I am truly sorry, but I haven't heard anything from our PM, mr. Cory Mogk as of yet and I find that a bit strange, quite frankly. Anyone here knows what's going on there? Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue

Re: Word from Cory Mogk?

Oh, I'm not saying we need him. I'm just saying that it is strange given his position as PM. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Word from Cory Mogk?

That would actually explain a lot. Thanks! -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Autodesk response

Only fitting that it crashed... ;) -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Autodesk response

and publish it as a pdf. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Autodesk response

As a hobbyist I can only say: indeed! Chris Marshall schreef op 17-3-2014 19:04: Everyone who uses Softimage has a 'Significant ongoing investment' in it!!! Aaarrrgggh -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si

Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass

But really? Do you actually expect an answer? And if you were to get one, would you expect to be anything else than a virtual get well soon card? Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass

True. My reply perhaps sounded a bit too snarky. I think your mission is already accomplished! Nothing coming from mr. Bass short of a miracle can top that, I'm afraid. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si

Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes

The one constant in both videos is notable also, of course... -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Softimage webinar - Q/A - finally uploaded

An unofficial EOL showreel might be an idea also, if you can get enough studios to participate... -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Softimage webinar - Q/A - finally uploaded

I was thinking the other day how runonce.bat could make a nice insider t-shirt slogan... -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Softimage transition comparison aid

The inclusion of Jimmy Saville seems to be rather inappropriate IMHO... - Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

planned transitional training?

of the strengths and weaknesses of 3ds Max versus Maya might be good place to start for those of us as of yet undecided which one to chose. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: planned transitional training?

Well, that's slightly less response than I had hoped for obviously, but in itself it's an answer too, I guess Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: planned transitional training?

, I could push the info on the si-community. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: planned transitional training?

lift some moods a little. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: planned transitional training?

. While understandable on a rational level, it feels wrong... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: planned transitional training?

this kind of criticism... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: planned transitional training?

You're right, everybody's a bit on edge. ;) Sorry for the misunderstanding! Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: planned transitional training?

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Re: planned transitional training?

Crystal clear! I await your further actions... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Oculus Rift

Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Oculus Rift

Well. Right after an acquisition people tend to spin things rather positively... -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Oculus Rift

line. (http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?linkID=14271589id=12103372siteID=123112) Oh, how it grew... Which isn't meant as another dig at Autodesk BTW, just meant to prove a point. Greetz Leendert AKA Hirazi Blue -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator

Re: Oculus Rift

Paul Doyle schreef op 26-3-2014 13:08: Can we not make this thread about the Soft EOL? Just one thread would be nice. Again: only meant as an example (we can all relate to) :D -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: planned transitional training?

I was thinking along the lines of training that addresses the specific problems for users coming from Softimage. I am aware of the wealth of training for Maya in general. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si

Re: Oculus Rift

All current sentiments aside, don't you think a company like Autodesk would have been able to put it to better use than Facebook, their core business considered? Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Fw: Re[4]: Everything's being said.

Price/investment-wise you should obviously take the much higher subscription fee into account. Something they apparently do make worth your while, i.e. support is good apparently, but still.. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator

Re: Fw: Re[4]: Everything's being said.

Oh, I agree for the most part. I was talking merely as an accountant (which I am not) The difference between AD's approach to support/subscription and SideFX's is quite telling (but so - in the end - is the price difference) Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA

Re: Oculus Rift

Very OT: but in its large portfolio, does Autodesk do any hardware? Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Another alternative to Softimage

, desperately wanting to love it just that little bit more... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Another alternative to Softimage

get there sooner rather than later and I applaud them for what they're doing. -- Leendert A. Hartog -- Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue -- Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com http://si-community.com -- Leendert A. Hartog -- Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue

March 28, 2014

As of March 28, 2014, customers will no longer be able to purchase new standalone licenses. In a commercial sense the product would seem to be absolutely dead now. A moment of silence would seem to be appropriate... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue

Re: March 28, 2014

... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: March 28, 2014

Yet in my timezone it is... ;) -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: March 28, 2014

Interesting. Commemorating a momentous occasion in Softimage's lifetime does not belong on the list. Ah well, sorry for caring about the product then... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: March 28, 2014

Nobody claims otherwise... Paul schreef op 28-3-2014 20:43: It's still does if you're fortunate enough to use it. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: March 28, 2014

isn't enough, there needs to be a plan behind it. And even then... Greetz Leendert AKA Hirazi Blue Tenshi S. schreef op 29-3-2014 12:24: Indeed, we need noise, in every cg online magazine. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si

Re: March 28, 2014

Convincing statement! Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: An Open Letter to Carl Bass

of questioning BTW), but Shave and a Haircut PhysX (the non-ICE variant obviously) were part of the non-commercial offering that was the Mod Tool 7.5. How was this made possible? Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner

Re: An Open Letter to Carl Bass

Correction to my earlier post: the ICE Variant of PhysX was included in the Mod Tool 7.5 as well... Silly oversight. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Another alternative to Softimage

agree that it's an overused criticism, but that sadly doesn't make it less true... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: 答复: Re[2]: March 28, 2014

is thinking the other to be some sort of nut-job. And such confusion should be avoided, I guess... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog �C Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue �C Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: 答复: Re[2]: March 28, 2014

I am not defending or even attacking anyone here. I posted my doubts over the use of the term conspiracy theory for what it implies... I do strongly feel it doesn't help any discussion to imply the other is a nut-job... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi

Re: 答复: Re[2]: March 28, 2014

Ah well, case closed then... -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Please Trim posts!!

for their input. * Use autocorrect to check spelling :) -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Transitional license 2015 releases

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Re: Transitional license 2015 releases

An additional question that came up on the si-community: where should those users turn to who currently do not have a reseller, due to lapsed subscription, but who still want to get back on board? Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si

Re: Transitional license 2015 releases

Thanks -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: What about Online material Online Activation stuff

a few problems... As Alen Fregtman correctly states: the Wayback Machine is your friend. And the main content that's worth saving will already have been gathered by their snapshots by now... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Humanize Maya project

Too bad, though, that they/you never got around to make a corresponding Softimage interaction mode for Maya. The current PPG (for lack of a Mayan term) still seems a bit strange, only offering one option. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si

Re: Humanize Maya project

Brent McPherson schreef op 11-4-2014 17:18: You almost never see market leaders making these types of moves as the potential returns will be much smaller. But once they started sharing suites together, the story changed ever so slightly, one would image... ;) Greetz Leendert -- Leendert

Re: Humanize Maya project

It indeed didn't make any sense for Autodesk to take Softimage users serious enough to accommodate them, make them feel at home a little... Insert smiley here... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: si-community posting problem

, and owei corrected something recently, but apparently not everything... Shucks. Greetz Leendert PS So why do I write this in English? :D PS2: Please report back... -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: si-community posting problem

The English remark in my PS was made before I figured out Eugen's post came through the Mailing List BTW. -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: ICE CrowdFX Compound

... My si-community.com address starts the same as this live.nl one... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: C y'all

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Re: C y'all

be a good time to look into it more thoroughly. And linkedin is nice to backup the group, but it's no Mailing List AFAIK. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: C y'all

it will eventually… But enough of this. Point taken… ;) Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: C y'all

So what does that extremely rare breed of people do who aren't on LinkedIn? Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: C y'all

Ha ha... Greetz Leendert PS - I can't for undisclosed reasons... -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com

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