tied to people in
government or the regulatory process. In Haiti this is the case where
keeping the trade (for the most part, not all) illegal suits the people
involved in large scale smuggling from other islands.
Regards
Crispin
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Forestry and fuel
Dear Crispin and Richard
Hello,
Am actually surprised that Africa is exporting charcoal to Europe!
Well, there are numerous initiatives in Uganda making carbonized
briquettes. This could be the same all around Africa and this is our
chance to make quality briquettes mainly for domestic use (from
straws, dry leaves,
Nolbert,
I wanted to mention to you that there is a big distinction between making
carbonized briquettes and blending normal agresidue briquettes with char
residues.
On the one had you are charring residues in the field which immediately reduces
50% + of their raw energy value. (I have yet
will have to show that.
Regards
Crispin
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From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-boun...@lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of
Nolbert Muhumuza
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:36 AM
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Forestry and fuel
Hello
Jan 2014 10:17:31 +0300
From: cookswellji...@gmail.com
To: stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Forestry and fuel
Dear Richard,
Well said... ''If this is the case, I fail to see how we are not are going to
be with fuelwood dependency for a long time to come.''
Interestingly
Agreed Teddy, lakiini…
The real issue is that some feel it is not a problem at all.
We can use all the crumbs ad dust generated at the charcoal sellers stall use
it as 40% of the filler in an ordinarily grass straw leaf ago residue briquette
and turn the briquete into a charcoal like
Dear Richard,
Well said... *''If this is the case, I fail to see how we are not are going
to be with fuelwood dependency for a long time to come.'' *
Interestingly enough, I was just reading this article on Nigerian charcoal
exports to West Europe - to the tune of 2-300 containers a month.
in Europe.
Have a nice weekend.
Regards
Otto F.
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 06:17:32 -0600
From: psand...@ilstu.edu
To: stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Forestry and fuel - charcoal crisis?
All,
Is there a more legible copy of the slide
Samer: cc list
I assume this was intended for the full stoves list. Thanks for the
comments.
Good luck on the thesis defense.
I am sorry to hear about the growth in the charcoaling business. How many
average hundred (thousand?) kilometer travel distance now for Khartoum?
Dear Samer
I think you and Saeed have done a really good job of investigating this meme
and how it arose to become a significant element of fundraising for fuel
efficient stoves.
The particular aspect that interests me is how, once started, the 'root' of
the idea which existed in someone's
Samer,
Intersting question. To me a One time thing = in this case, clearing the
land one time..whether for palm oil plantations
or for large scale agricultural projects. That as opposed to the continuous
consumption of forest for fuel (albeit in smaller increments) which in this
context,
Samer and list:
1. For others, I recommend a shortened version of Dr. Abdelnour' paper (and
possibly his thesis) at:
http://www.growinginclusivemarkets.org/media/publications/case_study_of_fuel_efficient_stoves_for_darfur.pdf
Interesting comments by Dr. Ashok Gadgil and Crispin. Crispin says
Ron, Teddy et all concerned with the Samer's cited FAO report.
Impressive data sources but it seems to be contrary to my own experience for
what its worth. Having lived in Malawi, Tanzania, Uganda and Kenya for many
years, in the 70's then revisiting for extended periods all of these
Dear Teddy
Samer has been investigating the realities behind certain memes about stoves
and the fact is that certain narrow aspects of a total situation echo better
in an empty chamber so the context, or a lot of it, is removed to highlight
what people want heard most. Unfortunately these
Colince,
Thats curous to me because what I have always read and observed is that taken
in the long term, 70% of the wood is cut for fuelwood use for cooking in Africa
and much of asia as well. It may be that the first tie aq land is cleared i is
used as you say but these uses aside form
Teddy:
1. Thanks for the cite below. Slide #36 implies that FAO is not doing a
very credible job in reporting on charcoal consumption. Off by a factor of
about 100 (that is 10,000% error). I was pleased to see the FAO report cite
by Samer yesterday (given below). Now I am not so
Dear Ron (and others)
Can anyone defend the FAO data collection effort on charcoal?
Not really 'defend' but the FAO tends to collect data only on commercial use
of biomass. They report logging and sales but will miss informal personal
use, often. James Robinson might have something to add
Dear Samer,
Thanks for sharing, but if indeed this is fully the case, I wonder why the
reduction of deforestation features so heavily on most cookstove marketing
pitches. (even mine sometimes!)
Further interesting reading that somewhat supports this is a very good
presentation done by ICRAF
Charcoal making for iron production got blamed for early deforestation
too. The truth is that most of the trees grown for charcoal back then were on
plantations which were replanted or coppiced. In the USA most deforestation
was encouraged by the railroads to raise cattle for their
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