Re: [Stoves] [biochar-policy] Re: Stoves

2012-06-25 Thread Jonathan P Gill
Andrew, At the local level only, I have no problem. But for companies form developed nations to extract profit rents from economies that operate on a dollar or two per day is a perversion. If the local economy progress beyond a cash flow model to accumulation model, going from a single use

Re: [Stoves] [biochar] Understanding FUEL EFFICIENCY vs Energy efficiency

2013-04-08 Thread Jonathan P Gill
All, Missing from this list of question are a number of items: 1. Does the customer want to help the environment? 2. Does the customer want to have a lower cost of fuel? 3. Does the customer want to increase crop yields and thus income? 4. What is the NET NET cost to the Customer if we take

Re: [Stoves] Alternative to charcoal

2013-04-08 Thread Jonathan P Gill
Crispin, The numbers I have for wood pellets suggest around 8,000 BTUs per pound. Charcoal is about 12,000 BTUs per pound. From this, I get that charcoal has only about 50% more energy per pound than wood pellets. Would not this also apply to stick wood as well? An advantage of using

Re: [Stoves] Too much turbulence can be bad??? Re: Airflow For Biomass Fired Appliances- Natural Draft Stoves

2013-04-16 Thread Jonathan P Gill
Fellow Stovers, Turbulence is a goldilocks problem. It must be carefully balanced with well controlled primary air amounts and distribution. Generally, I observe too little consideration of the primary air system which can only lead to sub-optimal results. A simple test to evaluate the

[Stoves] Four quandrant stove matrix

2013-04-30 Thread Jonathan P Gill
for North American markets. Regards, Jock Jonathan P Gill Peacham, VT. j...@icloud.com Extract CO2 from the atmosphere. ___ Stoves mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org to UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: [Stoves] Four quandrant stove matrix

2013-04-30 Thread Jonathan P Gill
, be fully carbon negative and, at the bottom, carbon positive. Regards, Jock Jonathan P Gill Peacham, VT. j...@icloud.com Extract CO2 from the atmosphere. On Apr 30, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Paul Olivier paul.oliv...@esrla.com wrote: Jonathan, You make a good point in distinguishing between yellow

[Stoves] Boiled 520 grams of 14C water in 3:20 minutes

2013-05-05 Thread Jonathan P Gill
unit that is not grid dependent. I am working on this with a friend who is former General Dynamics engineer. If you want more details and photos, please send me a note. More as it is. Cheers from VT, Jock Jonathan P Gill Peacham, VT. j...@icloud.com Extract CO2 from the atmosphere

Re: [Stoves] Boiled 520 grams of 14C water in 3:20 minutes

2013-05-05 Thread Jonathan P Gill
rather than the current 3/32s. These dimensions are simply starting points. Nothing is written in granite by lightening. Jock On May 5, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Steve Taylor st...@thetaylorfamily.org.uk wrote: On 5 May 2013 16:05, Jonathan P Gill j...@me.com wrote: Fellow stovers

Re: [Stoves] Boiled 520 grams of 14C water in 3:20 minutes

2013-05-05 Thread Jonathan P Gill
. Anderson, PhD aka Dr TLUD Email: psand...@ilstu.edu Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072 Website: www.drtlud.com On 5/5/2013 3:03 PM, Jonathan P Gill wrote: Paul, Good to hear from you. Here are a few pictures I hope will help answer your question. The design I am working

Re: [Stoves] In praise of kerosene

2013-05-11 Thread Jonathan P Gill
Kevin, It was indeed bad word smithing to have started with the term Global Warming. Global Climate Disruption is much more accurate, and, I would expect, inevitable at this late stage.The models are only imperfect, not wrong. Models can only be as good as the imperfections of our human

Re: [Stoves] In praise of kerosene

2013-05-11 Thread Jonathan P Gill
All, If you look at the work of Hansen, he has specifically looked at the mother nature issue and finds that, while it does exist, it is not strong enough to begin to explain the results that are starting to emerge and that are expected sooner or latter. Kevin's mother nature argument is

Re: [Stoves] Natural draft TLUD w/ secondary air slot

2013-05-23 Thread Jonathan P Gill
Crispin, I have not explore controls for air flows with natural draft units. Clearly both secondary and primary air could be controlled by variable aperture air supplies. The Big Green Egg and some Weber units offer this. I just have not tried it yet. Obviously the multi-speed fan

[Stoves] Snap, Crackle Pop

2013-06-08 Thread Jonathan P Gill
as sweet. Regards, Jock Jonathan P Gill Peacham, VT. j...@icloud.com Extract CO2 from the atmosphere. ___ Stoves mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List

Re: [Stoves] Between PM 2.5 and PM 10

2013-06-10 Thread Jonathan P Gill
Crispin, Even with the most cursory experience, it is very clear that a TLUD with a variable speed fan will have a power range. The turn down from full on is reasonable, if not as great as a modern gas stove in the privileged world. Extract CO2 from the atmosphere! On Jun 10, 2013, at 12:02

[Stoves] Wood Pellets + Coffee chaff + Rice Hulls

2013-07-11 Thread Jonathan P Gill
application are probably another story altogether. I look forward to the results of more testing and evaluations. Cheers, Jock Jonathan P Gill Peacham, VT. j...@icloud.com Extract CO2 from the atmosphere. signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

Re: [Stoves] Simple fan test rig

2013-07-11 Thread Jonathan P Gill
From: Jonathan P Gill j...@icloud.com To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org Cc: Frank Shields fr...@compostlab.com; Tom Miles tmi...@trmiles.com; Erin Rasmussen e...@trmiles.com; Marshall Webb mw...@shelburnefarms.org; Hugh McLaughlin wastem...@verizon.net

Re: [Stoves] Cajun Rocket Pot

2013-07-29 Thread Jonathan P Gill
Todd, I find that a TLUD with a well tuned air/fuel mix, that also has good turbulence in the mix, will produce little soot on pot bottoms. Proper carburation of a turbulent fuel air mix makes for a cleaner burning TLUD. Excessive soot build up is a good indication that the carburation and

Re: [Stoves] Cajun Rocket Pot

2013-07-30 Thread Jonathan P Gill
Christa, I have done that too. If the TLUD is very poorly tuned, you can get nasty deposits from dry wood pellets. I have made some very nice creosote from wood pellets with TLUDS that were operating at too low a temp and had a very poor fuel air ratio with insufficient turbulence in the

Re: [Stoves] Cajun Rocket Pot

2013-07-30 Thread Jonathan P Gill
of the compromise. Is varnish a good conductor? Alex On 30/07/2013 8:02 AM, Jonathan P Gill wrote: Christa, I have done that too. If the TLUD is very poorly tuned, you can get nasty deposits from dry wood pellets. I have made some very nice creosote from wood pellets with TLUDS that were

Re: [Stoves] Climate Panel Cites Near Certainty on Warming

2013-08-24 Thread Jonathan P Gill
AJ, I respectfully disagree. How we design and build our stoves has everything to do with climate security. Stoves simply do not exist in a vacuum. Regards, Jock Extract CO2 from the atmosphere! On Aug 24, 2013, at 4:40 AM, ajheg...@gmail.com wrote: [Default] On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:25:19

Re: [Stoves] Grass Gasification - grass tablet biochar

2013-08-24 Thread Jonathan P Gill
Friends, I easily run a fan assisted TLUD that is loaded with grass tablets to make wonderful grass biochar. The best tablets are made from a mix of field grasses that include golden rod and milk weed as their saps make for good binders. The tablets are about 4 cm in diameter. I break the

Re: [Stoves] Climate change

2013-08-24 Thread Jonathan P Gill
Sir, I understand that, back in the day, the original goals of this list were pretty much as you suggest - as recently confirmed by AJ himself. What I am suggesting is that while the original goals are necessary, they are no longer sufficient for optimum results across various important

Re: [Stoves] Use of rebars in cookstoves

2013-08-26 Thread Jonathan P Gill
AJ, I concur with what you write. In my iCan ND TLUDs the primary air and draft are such that the pyrolysis self extinguishes and the process does not convert to a run away updraft gasifier. Perhaps this is a design goal? As for primary air, I start with too few and too small holes such

[Stoves] Message size

2013-09-04 Thread Jonathan P Gill
I find it useful to write in a word processor and then export a PDF. This allows you to control the file size. I error on the side of large files for best photo quality. Jock Extract CO2 from the atmosphere! On Sep 4, 2013, at 5:55 PM, Richard Stanley rstan...@legacyfound.org wrote:

Re: [Stoves] Water heating fuel efficiency formula

2013-10-04 Thread Jonathan P Gill
Extract CO2 from the atmosphere! On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott crispinpig...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Jock How would we measure the efficiency of such a system, an iCan TLUD, that provides useful heat for about 70 minutes from about 3 pounds of wood pellets and

Re: [Stoves] Water heating fuel efficiency formula

2013-10-04 Thread Jonathan P Gill
In my case, I would not measure thermal efficiency as a first order concern. That is your choice, not mine. Nor would I use any charcoal co-product as a fuel. There are other more valuable uses for the charcoal. My values and goals will be made clearer when I distribute my next PDF. As for

Re: [Stoves] TLUDs: black powder muzzle loaders

2013-10-10 Thread Jonathan P Gill
I think some better understanding of the fundamentals of TLUDs makes them simpler and more attractive. Since there is already a multi reactor one Chimney solution, how hard can that be? Of course, it is possible to engineer much more sophisticated continuous feed solutions, see the work of

Re: [Stoves] In search for a stove model for the disaster in the Philippines

2013-11-11 Thread Jonathan P Gill
All, Here is another way to use tin cans to cook. Altho it is aimed more at education than disaster relief efforts. Could be used for both? http://www.greaterdemocracy.org/archives/1622 Regards, Jock On Nov 11, 2013, at 5:15 AM, Joshua Guinto jed.building.brid...@gmail.com wrote:

[Stoves] Beer can alcohol camping stove

2013-11-18 Thread Jonathan P Gill
Worth watching. Very simple. Quite amazing. http://www.realfarmacy.com/how-to-turn-a-beer-can-into-camping-stove/ Cheers, Jock signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ Stoves mailing list to Send a Message to the

Re: [Stoves] Beer can alcohol camping stove

2013-11-18 Thread Jonathan P Gill
was made in Sweden in 1950s. Except in those days they did not have aluminium cans! The trick will be to run them on vodka! On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Jonathan P Gill j...@icloud.com wrote: Worth watching. Very simple. Quite amazing. http://www.realfarmacy.com/how-to-turn-a-beer-can

Re: [Stoves] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stove efforts

2014-01-01 Thread Jonathan P Gill
I am with those who favor decentralization. The internet model is the proof of the pudding. The internet could never have been built by the centralized model! A key aspect of the decentralized model is that it is the most effective way to leverage the human and financial capital resources at

[Stoves] Forward: Flame Genie Fire Pellet Pit

2014-01-14 Thread Jonathan P Gill
Friends, Talk about your basic TLUD design, this is one for sure. 5 hours on 40 lbs of wood pellets?

Re: [Stoves] Forward: Flame Genie Fire Pellet Pit

2014-01-14 Thread Jonathan P Gill
...@blueskybiochar.com wrote: Do you end up with any char after the burn is over? Thanks, Michael Wittman On Jan 14, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Jonathan P Gill wrote: Friends, Talk about your basic TLUD design, this is one for sure. 5 hours on 40 lbs of wood pellets? http

Re: [Stoves] Maker Movement

2014-01-16 Thread Jonathan P Gill
There is a rather negative review of the Maker movement, Making It, starting on page 69 of the January 13, 2014 New Yorker. The author, Evgeny Morozov has a distinct reputation. Worth reading as well add the various critiques of the essay. Cheers, Jock On Jan 15, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Ronal

[Stoves] Fwd: [Dewayne-Net] Evgeny Morozov's New Yorker put-down of the Maker movement misses the point

2014-01-16 Thread Jonathan P Gill
Critique of Morozov article on Makers. Regards, Jock Begin forwarded message: From: Dewayne Hendricks dewa...@warpspeed.com Subject: [Dewayne-Net] Evgeny Morozov's New Yorker put-down of the Maker movement misses the point Date: January 11, 2014 at 9:08:49 AM EST To: Multiple recipients

[Stoves] Centralized vs Distributed

2014-01-22 Thread Jonathan P Gill
point in favor of moving to new stove technologies? Regards from a very chilly VT. We are expecting negative 15 - 20 F tonight. Jock Jonathan P Gill P.O Box 3 Peacham, VT. 05862 j...@jockgill.com google.com/+JockGill Extract CO2 from the atmosphere. signature.asc Description: Message