Dear Jeff,
well done and said in a very understanding way
Otto
Still a TLUD fan...
From: Jeff Davis [jeff0...@velocity.net]
Sent: 2010-09-27 04:44:48 MEST
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves [sto...@lists.bioenergylists.org]
Subject: Re: [Stoves] don't burn the
there , the forest, water, the local
environmment and climate.
Otto
From: Kevin [kchish...@ca.inter.net]
Sent: 2010-10-14 04:53:32 MEST
To: Otto Formo [form...@online.no], Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
[sto...@lists.bioenergylists.org]
Subject: Re: [Stoves] MUST CHARCOAL BE A CAUSE
:13 schrieb Otto Formo:
Dear all,
the resale price in Lusaka, Zambia is close up to US$ 350 per ton
and going upwards.
The price of electicity has raised close to 40% and made the demand
for charcoal even higher, where people have access to electricity.
Zambia is a huge illegal
split, one can break
the strips into pieces about 10 to 15 cm long, even with bare hands.
Yours
A.D.Karve
- Original Message -
From: Otto Formo
To: Kevin ; Otto Formo ; Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:01 AM
Dear Ron and all,
I hope you have had the chance to look at the videos linked to you from You
Tube and then you will see that Paal was introducing the GrassBurner in 1994
in Uganda.
About biochar, we have found it more easy to handle after the residue are made
into pellets, not only because it
.
Otto
From: Boston Nyer [bostonn...@gmail.com]
Sent: 2010-11-29 19:27:44 MET
To: Otto Formo [form...@online.no]
Cc: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves [sto...@lists.bioenergylists.org],
biochar-policy [biochar-pol...@yahoogroups.com]
Subject: Re: [Stoves] K Smith Article in Energy
Ron,
find my comments below.
From: rongretlar...@comcast.net
Sent: 2010-11-29 20:27:47 MET
To: Otto Formo [form...@online.no]
Cc: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves [sto...@lists.bioenergylists.org],
biochar-policy [biochar-pol...@yahoogroups.com]
Subject: Re: SV: [Stoves] K Smith
Dear Timothy,
you dont say anything about what type of stoves or energy units you are
using...?.
In a TLUD Gasifier Unit I dont see it could make any difference, if you use
briquettes out of sawdust (pine), grass, woodchips or sticks, or any type of
biomass.
I guess your stove technology is the
Dear Xavier,
I very much agree on what you are commenting.
To your last statement on unversial stoves:
I first got some difficulties to find my way in stoves : so
many prototypes, models, versions.
I think stovers should start to organize information, and propose a list, with
Dear all,
I just happend to see this statements about the TLUD ND PekoPe and are a bit
surprized that Dean, claims his TLUD only can use pellets and for how long
the pellets lasts in the combustion chamber as a flame and charcoal.
To my knowledge, the real PekoPe burns with an open flame for
,
Paul
Dr. TLUD
Quoting Otto Formo form...@online.no:
Dear all,
I just happend to see this statements about the TLUD ND PekoPe and
are a bit surprized that Dean, claims his TLUD only can use
pellets and for how long the pellets lasts in the combustion chamber
as a flame
will show..
Have a nice day.
Otto
From: rongretlar...@comcast.net
Sent: 2010-12-06 05:16:39 MET
To: Otto Formo [form...@online.no], Jock Gill [j...@me.com]
Cc: biochar-pol...@yahoogroups.com, Stanley Richard [rstan...@mind.net],
Discussion of biomass cooking stoves [sto
: 2010-12-06 14:34:18 MET
To: Otto Formo [form...@online.no]
Cc: Jock Gill [j...@me.com], rongretlar...@comcast.net,
biochar-pol...@yahoogroups.com, Stanley Richard [rstan...@mind.net],
Discussion of biomass cooking stoves [sto...@lists.bioenergylists.org]
Subject: Re: SV: SV: [Stoves
Dear AJH,
may be it was not you I seconded on Copyrigths and Patents, but all the same.
I was very surprised to hear that WorldStove dont do any testing of their
stoves, but convinced that they have done a nice piece of ingeneering on their
Lucia.
Design, one thing, tests another important
Dear Peter,
Myth Busters are not considered as a professional and serious medium. Paal
Wendelbo are, with his more than 20 years of experiece and practical know how
within this subject;
stoves and fuel and people...are linked together and should be heard and
listend to.
Tests of toxic
Dear Crispin,
I will provide you independent calculations from the Technical Univerity of
Norway as soon they will start lab testing the Peko Pe Energy Unit with
different types of prosessed fuel, jatroha and charcoal included, to finelize
these issues once for all.
The melting point of
Dear stovers,
Paal has smoked his fish, using the PekoPe for decades, able him to use the
type of fuel giving the perfect taste and texture, avoiding toxic emissions and
soot.
There are no limits for a clean burning energy unit, like the
PekoPe..
Have a nice weekend.
Otto
From:
Dear all,I guess Paal hammered the nail, again...Keep up the good work
by learning the children how to make clean burning and fuel efficient
cookingdevices.Otto
From: p...@online.no
To: stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 02:21:13 -0400
Subject: [Stoves] Re School,
Dear Crispin and Richard, nice to see you are commited, still.
We are just back from Zambia where we have introduced the use of maiz kobs as
fuel in the Natural draft gasifier unit, Peko Pe to small scale farmers,
growing maize on subsistance basis using conservation technics, including the
use
Dear boston and all,Nothing is happening in Durban and nothing is going to
happen within the next ten years.unless China, India, Brazil and
USA, are willing to reduce their emissions.EU has done their part of the job,
atleast on paper
We are just back from Zambia
Dear Dean and all,
What type of fuel did you use?
I guess, most likely pellets or woodchips from pine, which contain a lot of tar.
Paal`s experience with the Oorja (forced draft) at full trottle, was a lot of
ash and soot in the air as well.
Because of the forced added primary air by the fan,
Dear all,
How can it be possible to think of useing food stuff as fuel in Automobiles,
when millions of people are starving and struggeling for food?
To turn vegoil into bio-diesel on top of that, sounds crazy to me.
I Norway we utillize the vegoil for cooking and some restaurants and Take
Dear Crispin,
dont forget to mention that we are talking about waste
vegoil..after being utilized as food, first and formost
Regards
Otto
From: Crispin Pemberton-Pigott [crispinpig...@gmail.com]
Sent: 2011-12-20 21:48:56 MET
To: Stoves [stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org]
Subject:
Dear all,
I guess Switchgrass is considered as excellent fuel in gasifisres, either you
call it a TLUD test or not?
Pellets out of grass has proved to be suitable fuel in gasifiers, like the Peko
Pe.
Now and even before, I dont see any or much difference from other types of
pellets made out of
Dear Crispin,
Nice to see that you are active in the new year and have finely relized that
gasification is the way forward.
Even for the American Navy.still they claim this to be brand new
technology (widely used during World War II in Europe) and seems not to be
fully aware about the
Dear Crispin,
then you have been very quite about it, untill now.
The Natural Draft, gasifier Peko Pe, has been operating for more than 20 years
now and is still improving, best in test, ever, on emissions.
Now also operating on Corn Cobs and seems to produce excellent Biochar, still
awaiting
Dear Francesco,
Yes, your budget is low, but still it can cater for the material costs of a
gasifier unit in stainless steel, to be used without a chimney, 90% less
emisson than a three stone fire and more than 50% reduction in the need of
wooden biomass.
No need for welding, just to be
Dear Roger and Bridget,
Nice piece of work!
Even a tray for the ash, most producers of stoves to day seems to forget that
biomass produce ash. (Gasifiers produce little ash)
I just recall, that you where looking for a stove in combination of heating and
cooking to fit in a boat or a small cabin.
are the most important issues, when it comes to indoor polution.
Otto
Still a TLUD ND gasifier fan...without a fan.
From: Paul S. Anderson [psand...@ilstu.edu]
Sent: 2012-02-08 16:17:22 MET
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves [stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org],
Otto Formo [form
Yes, another clean burning gasifier (with a fan)
Otto
Still a TLUD ND fan.without a fan..:)
From: Michael N Trevor [mtre...@ntamar.net]
Sent: 2012-02-09 09:01:03 MET
To: stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stoves and chimneys
Oh like the MAGH smoke burner
Grin.
M.
Dear Sarbagya and all,
In Norway, we also (should) know about the moisture factor in the firewood, but
people tend to be different, here as elswhere.
Some care, some dont care, some try, others dont know.
During the cold winter months in Norway, you can, standing by a fireplace,
actually feel,
Greetings to you Richard,
Thanks for reminding me about the aromatic effects from lemmon grass and
eucalyptus.
I just recall the sweet smell from the gasifying corn cobs we used in the Peko
Pe to produce biochar for small scale farmers.
I will tell our partners down there to try wood chips
Faso
(Crispin Pemberton-Pigott)
8. Re: Grates and chimneys (Fireside Hearth)
9. Re: Grates and chimneys (Otto Formo)
10. Re: Grates and chimneys (Ronald Hongsermeier)
11. Re: Grates and chimneys (Ronald Hongsermeier)
12. Re: Grates and chimneys (Paul S. Anderson
Dear stovers, I very much agree with Paul.
Oorja and First Energy in India are on the move and also, Phillips, with their
fan driven stove, to be made in Lesotho, are also moving quicly forward.
What`s surprise me most, is that Phillips, as a strong hold supplier, seems to
overlook the
Dear stovers,
About test of gasifier stoves, forced draft and natural draft.
The other day, I happend to find among my dokuments, a paper from Phillips,
that they actually had done some tests back in 2006 and 2008 for the natural
and forced draft gasifier stoves.
It very much confirm the
excess smoke and gas.
All Best,
Dean
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Otto Formo terra-matric...@hotmail.com wrote:
Dear stovers,
I would guess that any gasifier will burn jatropha seeds or pellets cleanly
and efficient, as long as the moisture content are less than 10%.
We have
Jonathan,
We have got some samples of pelletized jatropha shells and seeds from Zambia,
after the oil has been extracted and we feel that is the way forward.
We will update you on the progress, so you will be albe to retire on
time.:)
We are not so worried about PM in natural
,
Guatemala
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 19, 2013, at 18:10, Otto Formo terra-matric...@hotmail.com wrote:
Josh and Jonathan (Otto),
Yes, we are talking about the presscake of Jatropha and it was processed into
pellets localy in Zambia, quite easily and with simple tools - (no waste
warmer, inMonteRico,Guatemala
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 20, 2013, at 5:41, Otto Formo terra-matric...@hotmail.com wrote:
Dear Richard,
Thanks for your concern.The briquettes, I mentioned, was made out of a mixture
of richusks and sawdust from hardwood.
We found them at a sawmill in Western
Dear Crispin,
It is a stove made out of stainless steel and fireproof glass to stand in the
lobby of hotels etc. for both heating and display.Some people was trying to
refill with alcohol, while is was still burning, which is hard to see while it
burn with an almost none visable light blue
Dear Dean and Crispin,
But you need to buy Kerosene, which costs close to two US $ per litre in
Zambia, and are still fossil fuel.
We prefer waste biomass as fuel, for free and available everywhere.
Will you be attending the conference in Cambodia?
Otto
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:37:04 -0800om:
Lanny,
I wanted to emphazice that the burner could be used to heat diffrent types of
pots and devices in diffrent combinations and applicants.
I consider a chimmney to go into the open air, either from inside or placed
outside and must eitherway be considered as natural draft.With a chimmney,
A gasifier made from stainless steel, wiil easily have a lifspan from 8 to 10
years, apart from the bottom plate, which easily can be replaced by local
craftsmen.
Durability for urban or rural settings are very much dependend on price and
more among low income households, than among the middle
Dear Paul M (and Crispin),
I am glad to see you have come forward
with your interest and point of views.
I am on the other hand, very sad to see the
scepticism and disbelive in people to be able and willing to change in
developing countries.
Your arguments are very much based on that
Crispin,Thanks for your quick reply.
Like allways, you have an answer to everything and enjoy your stay in the dense
forest of Java or Canada.Replacing trees is not a new idea on the planet, only
linked to Canada.In the jungle the forest are dense, but not so heavily
populated, that I know
Dear Ron,Thanks for highlighting us on this issue.I was not aware of the Power
Point slides.
I just wanted to commet your point no. 6, Paul slide 22:
There has been no disagreement about the energy content in pellets (16,7 MJ/kg)
and charcoal (27,5 MJ/kg).
The main issue here;By producing
Dear M. Nurhuda,
Sorry, I just missed this e-mail.
I am pleased to get the confirmation from a native Javaneese, but at the same
time sad to hear the lack of commitment from the World Bank teams.Crispin is
another story.
I am familiar with that the WB teams, hardly passes the gateway of the five
Thanks a lot, Lanny.
Very usefull, now we can tune the ND gasifier more accurate to fit diffrent
types of biomass and sizes of fuel.
Do you have any experience or comments of the venturi effect?
Otto
From: lann...@bellsouth.net
To: stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:51:18
Dear Xavier,
The most certain fact:Too many are using chardoal to day in developing
countries and close to 85 % of the African population rely on wooden biomass as
fuel, firewood or charcoal.
Statistics in that sense, which is which, firewood or charcoal, is not very
relyable, because this is
Dear Xavier,
Do you have any experience with laser cutting equipment and information about
stainless steel prices in India or China?
In which cities and coutries are you operateing in Africa, apart from West
Africa?
Have a nice weekend.
Otto
From: xvr.bran...@gmail.com
To:
Paul O,I second your comments and statement, very much.
There is no need for rocket science to understand, that any type of material
laying on the surface will easily be washed away by heavy rains.On the other
hand, most of this lagre forest fires occurs in North America or Siberia and
heavy
Ron,
I very much agree in your comments and just to finelize this discuession about
efficiency and alternatives to charcoal:
If we should compare wood and charcoal, in terms of efficiency, we better use
woodchips.Both types are prepared and a result of man made activties, not just
collected
Dear Xavier,Thanks for the information and I am looking forward to get more
from your direcor on manufacturing, Anandan.
Have a nice day.
Otto
From: xvr.bran...@gmail.com
To: stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 22:50:08 -0400
Subject: Re: [Stoves] More on the Alternatives to
Dear Paul,
Very usefull information, thanks.
Do you happend to know what type of pyrolytic gasifiers they were using in
Western Kenya?
Do you have any contact point or information about ICRAF in Nairobi?
Otto
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:27:46 -0500
From: psand...@ilstu.edu
To:
Dear Frank,
According to lab tests done by FAO in Nairobi in 1986?, they got 250 kg of char
out of one tonne of very dry wood, 25%.How much C (carbon) is it in charcoal -
95%? and 5% ash?
Estimates done from traditional kilns, gives charcoal yields around 150 kg, out
of one tonne of wood,
Well done Paul O. Otto
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 18:23:18 +0700
From: paul.oliv...@esrla.com
To: stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
Subject: [Stoves] the price of bottled gas
CNN just ran a new clip about the partial lifting of subsidies for bottled gas
in Egypt - major point of unrest among the
Paul O,I second your statements fully, still comming from an oil and gas
producing country.:) We are fortunate to have access to those natural
resources (fossil fuels), hydro and wind, but that does not mean we have to
close our eyes and just leave it to others to solve their own
Cristina,
I just noticed your comment on the statement to Paul O:Are we not concerned
about global warming each time that we switch on a modern gas stove? Are you
saying that poor people shouldn't be allowed to use fossil fuels? Do you realy
consider biomass not suitable for the low
On Sunday, May 5, 2013, Otto Formo wrote:
Cristina,
I just noticed your comment on the statement to Paul O:Are we not concerned
about global warming each time that we switch on a modern gas stove?
Are you saying that poor people shouldn't be allowed to use fossil fuels?
Do you realy
Dear Andrew C. Parker,
The issuse here, is that 3/4 of the population in Africa USES BIOMASS in an
UNappropriate way, in terms of charcoal and firewood.
Coal is another UNappropriate way of using fossil fuel for cooking and
affectes most rural and urban households of China.
There is high
Paul,
I very much second your point of view and lets bring this topic to a higher
level and very much considering the small holder peasant in the developing
countries.
They have a much greater chance or possibility to avoid the problems produced
by the western societies for decades.
Its time
Ron
I do not see any point in arguing with all and anybody, to try to convince them
, that gasifing of biomass are here to BE and will develop more rapidly, than
anyone ever belived.
What about the issue of biomass as fuel?
Here are a LOT of challanges in preparation, production, handeling
Jock,
thanks for bringing us Down to Earth.
This is very much captured carbon from the living vegetation, and remember, the
New and fresh ones capture more than the old and grown up ones
There is no need to bring this subject up rocket sience level, we are just
talking about
David (and Bill Cosby),
Just one short question, whom is going to have the privilege to tell who is
the wise or the stupid ones?
Thanks.
Otto
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:27:26 +0700
From: paul.oliv...@esrla.com
To: stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Fwd: from K Smith
Thanks Dean, for the information.
Well done Nancy.
Good Luck in Your efforts to help the People whom needed it most.
Otto
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:27:02 -0700
From: deankst...@gmail.com
To: stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
Subject: [Stoves] Fwd: Oregon grandmother fights a silent killer -
I very much agree with you, Paul O.
Stoves and fuel are linked together, like Paal allways says, and a certain
preparation of fuel is needed, one way or another.
Chared pellets are still quite dense and can easily be moved or even
carefully transported longer distances.
Gasjifier units
Dear Daniel,
Iam happy to see, that Iam not the only one using the night to do something
usefull and not only focusing on the nightmares of Africa..
Statoil (Norway) is drilling offshore in TZ and have discovered a lot of oil
and gas on the Continental shelf in the Indian Ocean.
Dear Pooja Arora,
I would like to advice you to contact Jim Jetter, EPA USA, to get hold of all
the information needed from them.
Good Luck and Your survey is very much welcome, small or large.
Regards
Otto F.
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:21:04 +0530
From: pooja1...@gmail.com
To:
Con Grat,
Awamu Biomass Energy Ltd and Paul A.
Good Luck in Your future efforts.
Otto
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 15:08:04 -0600
From: psand...@ilstu.edu
To: stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org; bioc...@yahoogroups.com;
psand...@ilstu.edu
Subject: [Stoves] Awamu receives SEED Award for TLUD
Dear stovers,
I strongly second and recommend the statements of Paal W, Richard S and Jock.
I also admire very much the model of World Stove and the work done by Nataniel
M. on the subject.
Internet has opened Our eyes and the doors to reach out to all and everybody,
just look to the Arab
Dear Paul A and Crispin,
I very much vote for the model of Richard S and that means:
We do not need to go back to the Iron-age, wherby they produced their own iron,
from their own rawmaterials at local level and low cost.
BUT, we could or should bring IN the materials needed for a
Dear Ranyee and all,
I am very happy to see and learn that GACC has an open mined towards production
and distribution of stoves and (biomass)fuel.
I belive in smale scale mobile PTO units for refinement of fuel (woodchips and
pellet), incl. training and information campains from basic use of
Dear Paal,
I think mr. Grinnell means us, People whom have been staying and living in
Africa for more than a decade.
Some people think and seriously means, that Development work has a glance of
some kind of a romance, linked to a good potion of naivity.
Just like any other
M Trevor,
STAINLESS steel is relatively new, even for the sun..:)
Open fires and Natural draft, NOT.
Otto F
From: mtre...@ntamar.net
To: stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 18:00:37 -0800
Subject: Re: [Stoves] FW: nothing new under the sun! fotos !
Dear Samer,
Your Reference to the publication from FAO is from 1997.
A a lot of changes has occured in the rural areas of Africa and other
develpoing countries, regarding migrations to the lager cities.
Due to this fact, the demand for charcoal for Cooking, has increased
dramatically, without
Dear Teddy,
I am a bit surprised to be given the information about the charcoal export from
Africa to Holland, amongst others.
(No wonder SNV is not so keen to advocate for the use of biomass fuel within
Africa..)
Belgium, never surprise me, when it comes to
Dear Candela and Ruy,
Yes,
to switch to LPG (fossil fuel) from open biomass fires, is not directly
contributeing to Climate change, but the Production line and refinement of the
Liquid gas, does a LOT.
In the North Sea and Nigeria, they flare off tonnes of CO2, every hour.
If you only see
Hello Nolbert,
Good points, but you seems to underestimate the potential for the gasfier
stoves in an urban setting, using sundried woodchips and/or pellets as fuel.
A LOT of chopped Wood in the rural areas, goes to Production of charcoal for
sale in the larger cities, Cash Crop, if you
Thanks for the link, Crispin.
This would be something for my 2998 cm2 Turbo charged MB 300 TDT, model 1988,
455 000 km, just back from renovation in Litaunia.:)
Next time and after one million km a Thermoelectric unit will be an
option;)
Otto
From:
added to
the above and background garden variety of agroresidue-blended briquettes.
luego,
Richard/ Nicaragua
On Feb 13, 2014, at 1:05 PM, David G. LeVine wrote:
On 02/13/2014 03:32 AM, Otto Formo wrote:
I am still getting surprised of the narrow sighted focus on char or charcoal
as fuel
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