Re: [sugar] Dropped jhbuild support for Fedora 8 and Ubuntu 7.10

2008-12-15 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Perhaps we could go back to build gtk, pygtk, etc inside jhbuild as we used to do a year ago? Should be pretty easy for someone like Reinier to restore and maintain support for Ubuntu Hardy, I think. If someone wants to

Re: [sugar] Dropped jhbuild support for Fedora 8 and Ubuntu 7.10

2008-12-15 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Reinier Heeres rein...@heeres.eu wrote: Marco, Support for Ubuntu 8.04 also seems to have been dropped (in http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=sugar-jhbuild;a=commitdiff;h=9cc90cdeaf8670a00dd2a3999239a7c0abf2ed24). Is this necessary due to unavailable packages or

Re: [sugar] Sugar Design Meeting REMINDER (Now)

2008-12-04 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are the details: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DesignTeam/Meetings#Thursday_December_4.2C_2008_-_15.00_.28UTC.29 Apologies for the late reminder. In the back of my head I thought that was automated now, but either I'm

[sugar] Closing this list

2008-11-26 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, as previously announced we have a now an upstream mailing list for Sugar development: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/ My suggestion would be to close sugar@lists.laptop.org and have the few distribution specific discussions in [EMAIL PROTECTED] *If* there is full

Re: [sugar] Fwd: Roadmap update

2008-11-26 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:13 PM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: This ends up being an excellent division of responsibility. OLPC can focus their resources more heavily on specific deployment issues. Sugar Labs can take a more innovative and upstream footing. For the record, I agree

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] OLPC + Sugar

2008-11-26 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Please let's avoid speculations until the joint statement is published. Thanks, Marco ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar

Re: [sugar] Installing sugar on Debian lenny

2008-11-25 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Sascha Silbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Not sure if this is the correct list but I couldn't find a better match. I'm currently trying to install sugar (Sucrose) on Debian lenny (fresh install on a laptop) using sugar-jhbuild (the official packages are

[sugar] I miss people already

2008-11-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
I'm quoting from Mel blog post (go read it *now* !): http://blog.melchua.com/2008/11/22/instead-of-brainstorming/ Me too, Mel! Marco ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar

Re: [sugar] I miss people already

2008-11-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I may be the last one to say that, but Mel is awesome. I'm finding it hard to tell how much she is... we need to invent new words for her :) Marco ___ Sugar mailing list

Re: [sugar] Another Thanks!

2008-11-22 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Yamandu Ploskonka [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: For me this was the first time in my life that I was in the same room with a group this large of developers and assorted geeks. In many ways it felt like a very new experience, very humbling, but also empowering,

[sugar] Thanks!

2008-11-21 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
I wanted to thanks everyone that was at the conference today and during all the week. I'm psyched by the amount of progress we made and by all the interesting talks we had. I'm very tired (a full week conference is *long*) but also really really sad that tomorrow is the last day. Marco

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Meeting reminder (Deployment team)

2008-11-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Make sense to me. Marco On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone. As Walter can't come and we have community meeting at the same hour, also taking into count that Walter's reports are essential on this discussion , I propose to

Re: [sugar] Sugarcamp planning status

2008-11-15 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Brendan Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would prefer Thursday, as I'm not sure when I'm leaving on friday. Added on Thursday! I think it also makes a perfect combination with the rest of the talks that day, yay! Brendan, so you have the LTSP talk with

Re: [sugar] Problem with initial push to central repository

2008-11-15 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently, several people have pointed to http://gitorious.org as a good place to host your projects in git. Though right now it's down so may not be such a good idea? :/ But there's also http://github.com. Works for me :)

Re: [sugar] [Techteam] dinner around cambridge on sunday

2008-11-15 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Marco and me compared our schedules for the next week trip and thought that, as we arrive a bit late on Sunday, may be a good idea to meet somewhere in Cambridge for dinner. So, what about meeting for having

Re: [sugar] On OLPC and Sugar collaboration (Was: Schedule for SugarCamp?)

2008-11-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Bernie Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Part of this criticism is certainly funded: 0.82 was the first release cycle entirely coordinated Sugar Labs. But many would agree that 0.82 was a *huge* leap forward done in just 6 months by a very resource constraint

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Schedule for SugarCamp?

2008-11-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Bernie Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, what are these talks with no title you scheduled Tuesday after dinner? 1900 Marco Gritti / Michael Stone 2000 C. Scott Ananian / Tomeu Vizoso I think the idea is that the speaker manages their half hour...

[sugar] Collaboration day!

2008-11-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello! I'm excited that Guillaume Desmottes is joining us at Sugarcamp, and we can actually have a good discussion about our collaboration infrastructure. I'm eager to learn about it and to figure out a roadmap for 0.84 and beyond. He will arrive on Monday afternoon (17h30) and go back Wednesday

Re: [sugar] Collaboration day!

2008-11-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Yamandu Ploskonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: edited http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugarcamp/Schedule#Tuesday_the_18th with this data Maybe it'll end up being Content Collaboration day I for one see them very, very related and dependent on each other. Sounds great!

Re: [sugar] Collaboration day!

2008-11-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can join by phone too after noon on Tuesday, although I would prefer IRC. The planning section (13 - 15) sounds like the good time to present the stuff you have been working on! I think being on the phone

Re: [sugar] Collaboration day!

2008-11-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 17:11, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! I'm excited that Guillaume Desmottes is joining us at Sugarcamp, and we can actually have a good discussion about our collaboration

Re: [sugar] OLPC / Sugar Labs coordination meeting

2008-11-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, the time slot in http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugarcamp/Schedule (Saturday) doesn't match what Gregorio said he could attend to. What about Friday instead? I moved Gregorio on Thu 10 - 12. Please let me know if there is

Re: [sugar] Stock items in Sugar

2008-11-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, To properly support BIDI, and to make things easier for activity developers in the long run, I think it may be a good idea to support stock items in Sugar. We should ideally support the standard GTK

[sugar] Sugarcamp planning status

2008-11-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello! we made a lot of progress on the planning. This is what is left to do on my page: * Caroline and Brendan needs to schedule time for a co-talk about ltsp and Sugar on stick. (1 or 2 hours?) * Need to confirm in Brendan can make his talk about collaboration in the collab planning slot (Tue

Re: [sugar] Sugarcamp planning status

2008-11-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Need to convince Mel to lead Contributing to Sugar brainstorm and to schedule time (proposal Fri 17-19) Done! Mel accepted :) Marco ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar

Re: [sugar] OLE, was Re: Collaboration day!

2008-11-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Yamandu Ploskonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday OLE people are available only in the morning. I have penciled in 11:30, would that work? (wasn't able to wikify the breack in the row :-)) (this also frees the 1500 slot) What about giving the 15 slot to

Re: [sugar] Sugarcamp planning status

2008-11-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Brendan R. Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should be arriving late afternoon on Monday, and probably leaving late afternoon on Friday. So the sugarstick/ltsp talk could happen any time there. It seems Wednesday is completely full, so Tuesday, Thursday, or

Re: [sugar] Sugarcamp planning status

2008-11-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
More progress and another update: * Caroline and Brendan needs to schedule time for a co-talk about ltsp and Sugar on stick. (1 or 2 hours?) * Place Edward talk (about ebook?). We have a slot free on Saturday morning, that might be ideal if you are there on Saturday. * If anyone has talks he

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

2008-11-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
A couple of points. * This is a Sugar Labs organized conference, OLPC specific stuff is not appropriate for it. XOcamp is in January. I edited the wiki accordingly, both the talks and the schedule. * Please don't do planning on the agenda during closed, in person meetings. #sugar-meeting is the

Re: [sugar] SugarCamp

2008-11-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, talks that IMO are more appropriate for this week, along with people I'm most interested in hearing, are: - How Sugar-on-a-stick can better work for deployments such as the ones carried on by http://schoolkey.net

Re: [sugar] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

2008-11-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 7:35 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what the hell? i don't think it's productive to separate olpc and sugarlabs in this fashion. Personally I think the way you keep to couple them is *extremely* confusing. Red Hat people certainly participates to GNOME

[sugar] Are you coming to Sugarcamp?

2008-11-12 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Then please add yourself to the wiki!!! http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugarcamp#Attendees Several people that I know are coming are not on the list yet... Marco ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar

Re: [sugar] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

2008-11-12 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:11 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should have also included the information that Walter will be giving his 'Portfolio' talk at 9am on Friday. Just in case anyone was wondering about his absence from the above schedule. Oh, and we'll do our best to

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Sugar Camp Cambridge 17-21 Nov

2008-11-11 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Bernie Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mel, SJ and C.Scott: let's have a meeting tomorrow @ 2PM to partition the available time between Sugar talks, Sugar Labs marketing, OLPC employee meetings and the much anticipated Sugar hackathon. Christian Schmidt is

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Sugar Camp Cambridge 17-21 Nov

2008-11-11 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Brendan R. Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to propose a discussion on making the collaboration a bit more standards compliant. The idea would be to get sugar to function more like a standard jabber IM client, as well as using existing standards in

Re: [sugar] add xcompmgr to the olpc-development stream builds

2008-11-11 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:52 AM, Bernie Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I noticed we also run the window manager from there and it would make a lot of sense to keep the composing manager next to it. Some modern window managers even do both things. Perhaps these things should be

Re: [sugar] [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2008-11-10

2008-11-10 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: === Community jams, meet-ups, and meetings === 6. SugarCamp: While not all of the details are in place, we will be holding a Sugar Camp in Cambridge the week of 17 November. We've reserved a room at the Cambridge

Re: [sugar] Wrapping Sugar activities for other desktops

2008-11-08 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, our journal use model says that the document is picked before the app is called, so if we support $ sugar-wrapper Write.xo mydocument.rtf then we're done. (Again, I might be extraordinarily naive about this :-)

Re: [sugar] Wrapping Sugar activities for other desktops

2008-11-08 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, our journal use model says that the document is picked before the app is called, so if we support $ sugar

Re: [sugar] Wrapping Sugar activities for other desktops

2008-11-08 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two issues here: 1. I don't know how the inner workings are designed, but as a Python activity author I never have to write a datastore call. My impression is that the Journal asks Rainbow's launcher

Re: [sugar] Wrapping Sugar activities for other desktops

2008-11-08 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point is simply that we could create a very thin dummy layer that provides the launcher API and datastore API but implements them very simply. For example, the object selector would simply pop up the GTK

Re: [sugar] Reducing activity sharing boilderplate code

2008-11-07 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subclassing makes sense to me (though I'm just a designer, so don't give me too much weight.) It seems that we could create a CollaborativeActivity subclass, and perhaps even subclass that if there are several common types

Re: [sugar] Wrapping Sugar activities for other desktops

2008-11-07 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thinking about how to extend the appeal (and long term viability!) of sugar activities, one thing that appears as a clear opportunity is to create a wrapper that allows to run sugar activities in a conventional

Re: [sugar] November conference (meeting notes)

2008-11-06 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Yamandu Ploskonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might have hit with a generous donor that might pay my way... Could you confirm dates so they can get me tickets early while they are still less expensive? I would want to learn and share, and if possible/if there

[sugar] Boot liveusb from cd

2008-11-05 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, I wrote a quick script to generate a boot cd for a liveusb image with overlay. It can be useful on old systems which doesn't support boot from usb. http://www.sugarlabs.org/~marco/livecd-iso-to-boot.sh http://www.sugarlabs.org/~marco/boot.iso (for the latest sugar-spin.iso) Marco

Re: [sugar] November conference (meeting notes)

2008-11-04 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd really like to be at the Sugar planning meeting, so the 18th is not my first choice. Why not do the hackfest on Tuesday and split the technical talks between Monday and Wednesday? Monday is even worst for OLPC employees

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] November conference (meeting notes)

2008-11-04 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with David that this is a good logical order. Mon and Tue aren't good days for some OLPC folks, but they might make good hackfest days. We could make sure to schedule talks OLPC employee gives or needs to

Re: [sugar] November conference (meeting notes)

2008-11-04 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monday 17 - Hackfest. Mel: might be a good time to do a so, coders in Boston, you've wanted to learn how to help out This would be hard for Monday. But the following weekend might work. (Saturday?) Saturday is taken by

Re: [sugar] November conference (meeting notes)

2008-11-04 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Mel Chua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saturday is taken by SL planning... :/ It's also the start of Thanksgiving week, which is a holiday that many US folks (myself included) may be taking off to celebrate with family and such. Also, I think the 17th is basically

Re: [sugar] USB Based Community Access - What could work technically?

2008-10-31 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:55 AM, Bill Bogstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In all of this discussion of Sugar on a USB, it's not clear what part of the taxonomy from here: http://www.sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy is being discussed. Do the activities (fructose/honey) always come from the user's

Re: [sugar] October 29 - Tarballs due for 0.83.1

2008-10-29 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The D-Bus method signature has always specified that property values are variants, thus the D-Bus level of the API hasn't changed. Ah ok, I thought the dbus signature was changed. It also has to be said that the change is

Re: [sugar] Releasing with a single command

2008-10-29 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It worked for me with Chat, with the following notes: Wow, thanks for testing! * It depends on python-feedparser - should I add this to the ubuntu sysdeps? The tool is currently separated from jhbuild (it can work also

Re: [sugar] Proper D-Bus usage (was Re: October 29 - Tarballs due for 0.83.1)

2008-10-29 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29.10.2008, at 03:42, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: I don't see how it would be inconsistent that when an activity saves a title meta-data property which obviously is a string, and it resumes, to expect

Re: [sugar] Proper D-Bus usage (was Re: October 29 - Tarballs due for 0.83.1)

2008-10-29 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not a data blob. It *is* a blob in Tomeu design, which I'll let him defend. Yeah but the interface was written for a datastore which had a notion of metadata property type (although a very bad one). The new one

Re: [sugar] [RELEASE] hulahop 0.4.7

2008-10-29 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:38 AM, Bobby Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there a plan to start up joyride again so we can (somewhat more easily) test this stuff out? Or is that waiting till after XOcamp2? Did I maybe miss the email thread about this? Joyride was apparently restarted today

Re: [sugar] Measure Activity inclusion in Fructose

2008-10-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
+1 about inclusion from me, based on Walter and Rafael explanations. Thanks! Marco ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar

Re: [sugar] API policy

2008-10-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
I updated according to the discussion in the irc meeting and put it on the wiki: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/API_policy Also I marked the sugar package modules as described above. Please make sure to have a look, we will need to maintain the stability promises we are making. In

Re: [sugar] October 29 - Tarballs due for 0.83.1

2008-10-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28.10.2008, at 04:01, Simon Schampijer wrote: Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: Dear maintainers, the next stable release is the 30th October. Just for the record - it is an unstable release :) Is this basically

Re: [sugar] October 29 - Tarballs due for 0.83.1

2008-10-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guess I should make Etoys cope with the changed datastore interface then. Did the interface change? I think tomeu new datastore actually has the same dbus interface... Marco

Re: [sugar] October 29 - Tarballs due for 0.83.1

2008-10-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, some of the API uses variable types, so even if the interface does not change literally, changing the types involved poses a problem. E.g., meta-data properties are declared as dictionary with string keys but

[sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Sugar as an upstream project

2008-10-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
I would like to give a try to explaining *why* I think we need to establish Sugar as an independent upstream project and to discuss a roadmap on *how* to gradually get there. Given the strong feelings and the complexity of the issue, I'm willing to give the talk only if we will be present in

[sugar] Deadline for new modules proposals

2008-10-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, I think there is no reason to introduce a deadline for new modules proposal other than the feature freeze, currently planned for December 21. We should evaluate proposals as they get in. I will give a stab to the three proposal presented so far now, so that we get the new modules in

Re: [sugar] Module Proposal: Image Viewer Activity

2008-10-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
There seem to be consensus on the inclusion of image activity. Unless someone objects I'll add it to the list of modules. Please make sure to do a release for 0.83.1. Thanks! Marco ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org

Re: [sugar] new module proposal: Turtle Art

2008-10-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
I think we should include it. Great educational value, well polished and now maintained. Marco ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar

Re: [sugar] Measure Activity inclusion in Fructose

2008-10-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, I have to admit that I haven't played a lot with Measure but I heard very good things about it. I have a couple of doubts/questions for everyone: 1 Is the activity useful outside the XO hardware? Does it retain its interest and educational value? 2 Should we include in Fructose activities

[sugar] Sugar Works Now!

2008-10-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Why no one is posting the good press these days and I have to find it out myself??? :) http://www.olpcnews.com/software/sugar/xo_laptop_software_upgrade_review.html Marco ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org

[sugar] Releasing with a single command

2008-10-26 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, I wrote an helper script to do release of modules using auto* or bundlebuilder. It's in the sugar-tools git repository: git://dev.laptop.org/users/marco/sugar-tools Just run the release script inside your module directory and it should: * Bump version, tag and push to git. (You can use

Re: [sugar] Greetings from New Hampsire

2008-10-26 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Brendan R. Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, Our company and developers are interested in getting involved with the development community for Sugar. We deploy Linux desktop solutions in schools in the United States via thin client and fat client

[sugar] Firefox/Xulrunner memory related crashes

2008-10-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, I spent some time looking into the various tickets about oom and BadAlloc crashes in trac today. Here is a summary of the problems. A) There is a bug in cairo which causes BadAlloc on very big images. Fixes are in 1.8 and should be possible to backport to 1.6.4. B) Xulrunner renders

[sugar] GNOME journal

2008-10-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
http://www.gnome.org/~federico/news-2008-10.html#23 It's nice to not feel alone in this space anymore, isn't it?? Also finally a little of credit which doesn't hurt :) Marco ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org

[sugar] Dropped jhbuild support for Fedora 8 and Ubuntu 7.10

2008-10-21 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Gadget requires a more recent version of glib than those shipped by these distro. The policy would be to keep support for 2 stable versions of Fedora and Ubuntu. Both new stable are going to be released pretty soon, so I hope this won't be too much of an issue. I turned off the Fedora 8 buildbot.

[sugar] XO evaluation paper

2008-10-19 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Am I the only to have missed this paper? http://www.teachingmatters.org/evaluations/olpc_kappa.pdf The bits about the Journal makes me think that it's really the right idea, and it will rock as soon as we have a decent implementation of it. Also see the section about what they disliked... our

Re: [sugar] simple hacks to improve the performance of the Sugar UI

2008-10-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Andrés Ambrois [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Just a couple of notes. [PATCH] sugar-homewindow-no-transition.patch This removes the usage of TransitionBox from HomeWindow.py. TransitionBox is used to animate the Xo Guy while moving between zoom levels. This

[sugar] Sugar 0.83 snapshot

2008-10-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, Tomeu needed a way to test git master on the XO. I initially though to write scripts to generate snapshot rpms, but then I figured out something much cheaper. I wrote a very simple script to do a sugar-jhbuild inside mock, using the olpc-3 configuration (my bash skills are very poor,

[sugar] Activity startup performance

2008-10-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, when I tried out the 0.83 snapshot rpm, I noticed that activity startup felt unusually fast. I was surprised especially considering the fact that I had to disable security and hence the preload hack. So I did a bit testing with two XO running one 2515 and the other 2515 + sugar 0.83

Re: [sugar] simple hacks to improve the performance of the Sugar UI

2008-10-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Andrés Ambrois [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Just a couple of notes. [PATCH] sugar-homewindow-no-transition.patch This removes the usage of TransitionBox from HomeWindow.py

Re: [sugar] Sugar, collaboration and LTSP on Ubuntu

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:10 PM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi there, with the generous help from #sugar devs I managed to get ltsp, sugar and collaboration via ejabberd working on Ubuntu. This is really exciting as it means walking into an existing networked lab with a

Re: [sugar] Feature freeze for 0.84

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Luke Faraone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I've been working on packaging Sugar for Ubuntu, and have looked forward to what will be Sugar (and Ubuntu )'s next release cycle. Per http://sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam/Roadmap , it seems that the first

Re: [sugar] Feature freeze for 0.84

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 7:53 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I expect that a concrete schedule will be hammered out during the Nov 17 joint OLPC 9.1/Sugarlabs 0.84 planning meeting. I hope that OLPC's schedule will not drift much from Sugarlab's, because it is counterproductive

Re: [sugar] Feature freeze for 0.84

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually feature freeze is 21 December. We might decide to push it off a bit, but I don't think it will go after 18 February. So I think

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Legacy compatibility.

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:07 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * making sugar behave well when run in non-full-screen-mode under metacity. This includes refactoring home/friends/mesh view as operations on root window, so they make sense in a multiwindow setup. (It's been

Re: [sugar] Joyride is open for development!

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The current plan is to wait until F10 is released (end of November) before rebasing Joyride onto it. But the decision to rebase has been made? Thanks, Marco ___ Sugar mailing list

Re: [sugar] Feature freeze for 0.84

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually feature freeze is 21 December. We might decide

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Legacy compatibility.

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can we stop referring to anything non-sugary as a legacy app. i'd submit that we all use dozens of such apps every day, most of which are in no danger of going away anytime soon. :-) I'm using standard desktop applications :) Marco

Re: [sugar] Feature freeze for 0.84

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's hammer this out in person at the planning meeting, because it depends on OLPC picking a release date. Yeah, make sense. As I said, I think we (as SL) should defer decisions about the freeze slip until the

[sugar] telepathy-glib and glib 2.16 dependency

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, commit dd2c13d56672d7ff7e69f59138c1bf3493e3dddf Author: Guillaume Desmottes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri Oct 17 17:37:36 2008 +0100 upgrade to telepathy-glib 0.7.17 This adds a dependency on glib 2.16. It would mean to drop support for Fedora 8 and the equivalent Ubuntu version. My

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Legacy compatibility.

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:45 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps we could also investigate the use of the xdg utilities for managing mimetype associations and installing activities? Good point. I've

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Legacy compatibility.

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:56 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The way it's done right now is to copy mime information to ~/.local at installation time. I know. I personally don't like requiring

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] sugar spin and liveusb-creator

2008-10-15 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:10 AM, Caroline Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi Marco, I'd like a Wiki page where you and I can track tasks that need to be done before I can do the next test run at each of the 2 schools and also write down which version of Sugar we plan to test next at which

[sugar] Meeting about the journal

2008-10-15 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello Scott, I chatted a bit with Eben on how to go forward on the Journal, and we think it would be good to make it *the* topic for tomorrow design meeting. Are you able to make it? It's at 11.30 your time, on irc. There are two main things that I really want to figure out: * What is the

Re: [sugar] Meeting about the journal

2008-10-15 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:57 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not premature, but we probably won't nail down the answer yet. Sure. I've already got mockups and more, but there are some corner cases I don't know the answers for. Activities can just use GtkFileChooser.

Re: [sugar] sugar spin and liveusb-creator

2008-10-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Sebastian Dziallas [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: http://sdz.fedorapeople.org/olpc/liveusb-creator-3.0.zip I tried this on windows xp. I unzipped the directory on the Desktop and run the executable. It didn't work. I'm attaching the log... any idea? Marco

Re: [sugar] Sugar USB testing

2008-10-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Caroline Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 4:46 AM, Caroline Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) I made a new one, but then left it in my computer at home

Re: [sugar] sugar spin and liveusb-creator

2008-10-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Luke Macken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 05:19:44PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Sebastian Dziallas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://sdz.fedorapeople.org/olpc/liveusb-creator-3.0.zip

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] sugar spin and liveusb-creator

2008-10-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Caroline Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good progress! Test results. - It does not work on my IBM Thinkpad laptop. Looks like a video driver issue? It appears to boot, gets through the progress bar but then I get a blank white screen. Feels

Re: [sugar] (very) Little Proposals for 9.1

2008-10-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Simon Schampijer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Giovanna: Why not to enable shut-down from the XO icon of any of the standard view? The icon is always there in the middle of screen but works only in one... (in general, maybe enabling the hoovering menu in all of

Re: [sugar] (very) Little Proposals for 9.1

2008-10-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then we should not have a shutdown button at all :) Even though this comment was accompanied by a smiley, a software shutdown button somewhere is useful. Sure, I was ironic... The point was that shutdown is a use

Re: [sugar] (very) Little Proposals for 9.1

2008-10-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: But this power-button UI could be in addition to a regular menu, which should not be invoked from the home view but from the frame's device section. A computer device was already brought up for something else that I

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Narrative.

2008-10-12 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Wade Brainerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These issues could best be solved by a sugar-webcontent-activity package which is shipped by default. It would contain the Browse GUI classes plus a template Activity class. It would also provide a base WebServer class

Re: [sugar] Window manager support for standard applications

2008-10-12 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hello, I spent some time trying to nail down the concrete changes we will need to properly support standard desktop applications in Sugar 0.84. Here are some notes. It's *not* a huge amount of work and I think we

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