Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Policy for activities for downstream inclusion

2010-09-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 00:51, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:05:53AM -0500, David Farning wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi, what is the current status for activity releases in order to include them in

[Sugar-devel] bugs-testing.sugarlabs.org confusing people (was Re: [Testing] HOW TO MAXIMIZE AND MINIMIZE the COLOR activity)

2010-09-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, maybe we should remove this domain and/or put a big warning on the newticket page so people don't enter real bugs there. Regards, Tomeu On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 01:58, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 03:54:40AM -0700, shiyam jannan wrote:

Re: [Sugar-devel] bugs-testing.sugarlabs.org confusing people

2010-09-15 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Tomeu Vizoso's message of Wed Sep 15 10:13:34 +0200 2010: [bugs-testing.sugarlabs.org] maybe we should remove this domain and/or put a big warning on the newticket page so people don't enter real bugs there. How do people get there in the first place? Do we mention it anywhere?

Re: [Sugar-devel] #2141 UNSP: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame.

2010-09-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 00:46, Sugar Labs Bugs bugtracker-nore...@sugarlabs.org wrote: #2141: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame. --+-    Reporter:  m_anish                    |          Owner:  tomeu        

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Policy for activities for downstream inclusion

2010-09-15 Thread David Farning
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 00:51, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:05:53AM -0500, David Farning wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi,

Re: [Sugar-devel] bugs-testing.sugarlabs.org confusing people

2010-09-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:32, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Tomeu Vizoso's message of Wed Sep 15 10:13:34 +0200 2010: [bugs-testing.sugarlabs.org] maybe we should remove this domain and/or put a big warning on the newticket page so people don't enter

Re: [Sugar-devel] #2141 UNSP: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame.

2010-09-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 00:46, Sugar Labs Bugs bugtracker-nore...@sugarlabs.org wrote: #2141: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame. --+-    Reporter:  m_anish                    |          Owner:  tomeu        

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Changed outline of checkbox from grey to black when activated. Ticket #305

2010-09-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi Benjamin, does it look right to you? Regards, Tomeu On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 20:37, Ishan Bansal is...@seeta.in wrote: Changed outline of checkbox from grey to black so that it does not disappears into the grey highlight of the mouseover selection. (Ticket #305) ---  gtk/theme/gtkrc.em |

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] Question about upgrading from 802 to Dextrose

2010-09-15 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.orgwrote: On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 01:52 +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: If I remember correctly I had set up XS 0.5 at the school, how would I find out whether the backups were made and if so how do I restore them to the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Policy for activities for downstream inclusion

2010-09-15 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Tue Sep 14 16:14:08 +0200 2010: In the .deb side of the universe, we prefer tarballs but we can work directly from the git repository. We should not go from the git repository. Either use the .xo or a tarball. Why? And who is we in this case?

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Policy for activities for downstream inclusion

2010-09-15 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Gary Martin's message of Wed Sep 15 01:58:07 +0200 2010: [activity release tarballs] I've been uploading me since Bernie kindly un blocked my shell account, though I totally understand why others might not manage this workflow, there's already many hoops to jump though for a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Policy for activities for downstream inclusion

2010-09-15 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 09/15/2010 01:58 AM, Gary Martin wrote: On 14 Sep 2010, at 15:14, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: Thanks David and Walter for the feedback, On 09/14/2010 04:09 PM, Walter Bender wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:05 AM, David Farningdfarn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14,

[Sugar-devel] a.sl.o as a central place for activities (was: Re: [SoaS] Policy for activities for downstream inclusion)

2010-09-15 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from David Farning's message of Wed Sep 15 10:41:20 +0200 2010: I took Simon's comment earlier in the the thread that we shouldn't use git repos and instead us XO bundles as the weird part:( To help understand the .deb work flow: 1. Select activities to include -- Use the Soas

Re: [Sugar-devel] #2141 UNSP: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame.

2010-09-15 Thread James Cameron
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:40:06AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Basically, I don't see how this could work without being tuned to very specific systems. I've reviewed the patch [1], and I disagree with your assessment. It would work without any tuning to specific systems. The learner would

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Policy for activities for downstream inclusion

2010-09-15 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 09/15/2010 10:41 AM, David Farning wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 00:51, Jonas Smedegaardd...@jones.dk wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:05:53AM -0500, David Farning wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Simon

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Policy for activities for downstream inclusion

2010-09-15 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 09/14/2010 11:15 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Walter Benderwalter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:05 AM, David Farningdfarn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Policy for activities for downstream inclusion

2010-09-15 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi Peter, thanks for your feedback. On 09/14/2010 11:19 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi, what is the current status for activity releases in order to include them in distributions like Soas*? Do you guys need

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Policy for activities for downstream inclusion

2010-09-15 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:25:57AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 00:51, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:05:53AM -0500, David Farning wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi, what is the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Etoys 4.1

2010-09-15 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 09/14/2010 07:14 PM, Gary Martin wrote: Hi Bert, On 31 Aug 2010, at 21:46, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 31.08.2010, at 20:07, Gary Martin wrote: Hi Bert, On 30 Aug 2010, at 10:50, Bert Freudenberg wrote: This is the first beta release of Etoys 4.1. The biggest change is that stopping

Re: [Sugar-devel] Name this entry dialog questions

2010-09-15 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 09/14/2010 08:16 PM, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Erik Blankinship's message of Tue Sep 14 19:48:43 +0200 2010: When exiting an activity, a Name this entry dialog sometimes pops up. - Can an activity developer bypass this dialog when closing an activity? - Can an activity

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Error/Warning Icons for alerts

2010-09-15 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi Gary, On 09/14/2010 11:00 PM, Gary Martin wrote: Hi Simon, On 6 Sep 2010, at 16:35, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, I came across the issue when working on Error messages when writing to device (Journal) [1]: Our alerts (e.g. Connecting to the school server, the error message when you

Re: [Sugar-devel] #2141 UNSP: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame.

2010-09-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:12, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:40:06AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Basically, I don't see how this could work without being tuned to very specific systems. I've reviewed the patch [1], and I disagree with your assessment.  It

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-15 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 09/14/2010 10:50 PM, Gary Martin wrote: Hi Simon, On 6 Sep 2010, at 15:25, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, I can well imagine there had been several discussions about this before, even so a quick search of the archives did not reveal something: Deployment(s) have been asking how to go

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] implements #1106 - Browse: No preview in Journal for downloaded image

2010-09-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:58, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi Gonzalo, thanks for the new patch. Would be good to tell in a few words what you did change to the previous one, like: I addressed all concerns. or That one I did not address since... Also, the commit message

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-15 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Tue Sep 07 11:25:24 +0200 2010: To me reloading a page and going to a defined page is not related. As this might be a different way of thinking we might be able to find out with a quick user test. Other comments welcome of course. Looking forward

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Etoys 4.1

2010-09-15 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Gary Martin's message of Tue Sep 14 19:14:10 +0200 2010: - the normal Stop icon should be used (ideally it would be placed on the far right, swapped with the fullscreen button) - clicking it would raise a naming dialogue (not all your fields are needed for Journal, just name,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] implements #1106 - Browse: No preview in Journal for downloaded image

2010-09-15 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Ok. I addressed all concerns from the previous mails and the comments in irc. This patch take the supported mime types from the pixbuf library and open the image at the desired size to optimize if possible the io. Gonzalo On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Simon Schampijer

Re: [Sugar-devel] Name this entry dialog questions

2010-09-15 Thread Gary Martin
On 15 Sep 2010, at 11:49, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: On 09/14/2010 08:16 PM, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Erik Blankinship's message of Tue Sep 14 19:48:43 +0200 2010: When exiting an activity, a Name this entry dialog sometimes pops up. - Can an activity

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Policy for activities for downstream inclusion

2010-09-15 Thread David Farning
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Tue Sep 14 16:14:08 +0200 2010: In the .deb side of the universe, we prefer tarballs but we can work directly from the git repository. We should not go from

Re: [Sugar-devel] [FEATURE] Remove Presence Service --- cleanup for release

2010-09-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 15:02, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: On 08/30/2010 08:19 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi Tomeu, your Feature [1] has found it's way into the 0.90 release, thank you for getting this far! This is just great! The following items need to be done until the

Re: [Sugar-devel] a.sl.o as a central place for activities (was: Re: [SoaS] Policy for activities for downstream inclusion)

2010-09-15 Thread David Farning
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from David Farning's message of Wed Sep 15 10:41:20 +0200 2010: I took Simon's comment earlier in the the thread that we shouldn't use git repos and instead us XO bundles as the weird part:(  To

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Policy for activities for downstream inclusion

2010-09-15 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 09/15/2010 11:47 AM, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Tue Sep 14 16:14:08 +0200 2010: In the .deb side of the universe, we prefer tarballs but we can work directly from the git repository. We should not go from the git repository. Either use the .xo or a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Etoys 4.1

2010-09-15 Thread Gary Martin
Hi Sascha, On 15 Sep 2010, at 12:30, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Gary Martin's message of Tue Sep 14 19:14:10 +0200 2010: - the normal Stop icon should be used (ideally it would be placed on the far right, swapped with the fullscreen button) -

Re: [Sugar-devel] #2141 UNSP: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame.

2010-09-15 Thread David Farning
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:59 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:12, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:40:06AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Basically, I don't see how this could work without being tuned to very specific systems.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Policy for activities for downstream inclusion

2010-09-15 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 07:28:05AM -0500, David Farning wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Tue Sep 14 16:14:08 +0200 2010: In the .deb side of the universe, we prefer tarballs but we can

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Policy for activities for downstream inclusion

2010-09-15 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 09/15/2010 03:22 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 07:28:05AM -0500, David Farning wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Tue Sep 14 16:14:08 +0200 2010: In the .deb

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Policy for activities for downstream inclusion

2010-09-15 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from David Farning's message of Wed Sep 15 14:28:05 +0200 2010: We should not go from the git repository. Either use the .xo or a tarball. For the entire 'why' I will have to refer you to the the Debain mailing lists. /me ducks The short answer is Debian packaging is premised on

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] bugs-testing.sugarlabs.org confusing people

2010-09-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 10:43 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Do we mention it anywhere? Seems to be indexed by google, along with some bugmail coming from there. How could we prevent google from indexing all our *-testing and *-devel sites? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/

Re: [Sugar-devel] #2141 UNSP: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame.

2010-09-15 Thread Anish Mangal
There is information in the /proc filesystem we could use to refine the heuristics. /proc/meminfo - How much physical memory. /proc/loadavg - How many IOWAIT cycles. /proc/cpuinfo - How fast is my machine. How many CPUs. But I guess we should try out the current resource indicator on many

Re: [Sugar-devel] bugs-testing.sugarlabs.org confusing people

2010-09-15 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Tomeu Vizoso's message of Wed Sep 15 10:43:43 +0200 2010: [bugs-testing.sugarlabs.org] maybe we should remove this domain and/or put a big warning on the newticket page so people don't enter real bugs there. How do people get there in the first place? I don't have any

Re: [Sugar-devel] #2141 UNSP: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame.

2010-09-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 16:46, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Tomeu Vizoso's message of Wed Sep 15 10:40:06 +0200 2010: Basically, I don't see how this could work without being tuned to very specific systems. I still don't see how it is tuned to

Re: [Sugar-devel] #2141 UNSP: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame.

2010-09-15 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 09/15/2010 10:48 AM, Anish Mangal wrote: Here's how it works. 0 memory free 100 0 cpu free 100 0 mem + cpu free = 67= unhappy 67 mem + cpu free = 133 = serious/normal 133 mem + cpu free = 200 = happy I don't think this is a good enough heuristic. 1. CPU

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] bugs-testing.sugarlabs.org confusing people

2010-09-15 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Bernie Innocenti's message of Wed Sep 15 16:37:32 +0200 2010: Seems to be indexed by google, along with some bugmail coming from there. How could we prevent google from indexing all our *-testing and *-devel sites? Put a /robots.txt on them. I've now adjusted the ones for

Re: [Sugar-devel] #2141 UNSP: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame.

2010-09-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: I don't think this is a good enough heuristic. Agreed -- that's a terrible heuristic. And happy/sad face is a terrible UI. The computer is not happy or sad; it's _working_. Honestly, there is a base problem

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] bugs-testing.sugarlabs.org confusing people

2010-09-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 17:37 +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: Put a /robots.txt on them. I've now adjusted the ones for bugs-{testing,devel} to disallow automated access to all of the site. Previously we used the same rule set as for the production site, i.e. only prevented access to forms and

Re: [Sugar-devel] What should system mood really mean?

2010-09-15 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Anish Mangal's message of Wed Sep 15 16:53:29 +0200 2010: How about extending the meaning of 'system mood' to more than just the memory and cpu usage metrics. Please be careful about mixing in even more parameters. + If I have a battery, its almost empty. + If I have wireless

Re: [Sugar-devel] What should system mood really mean? (forked from #2141 UNSP: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame.)

2010-09-15 Thread Frederick Grose
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.comwrote: Idea! How about extending the meaning of 'system mood' to more than just the memory and cpu usage metrics. What would contribute to my system being 'unhappy'? Off the top my head, the ones I could think of are:

Re: [Sugar-devel] What should system mood really mean? (forked from #2141 UNSP: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame.)

2010-09-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: How about extending the meaning of 'system mood' to more than just the memory and cpu usage metrics. As I've mentioned in the other thread, this is not a good metaphor. If you have a box, as long as things _fit_ in

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Etoys 4.1

2010-09-15 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Gary Martin's message of Wed Sep 15 15:15:20 +0200 2010: In absence of version support, please always make destroy old version and destroy current version separate UI actions. No activity allows a user to destroy old version, that's a task the user would need to use the

Re: [Sugar-devel] What should system mood really mean? (forked from #2141 UNSP: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame.)

2010-09-15 Thread ALEXANDER JONES (RIT Student)
I was reading through these threads and suddenly had an idea. My dad has a honda insight and on the display it shows a bar correlating to how well your driving your car (efficiency wise). A pictures of it can be found here ( http://www.insightman.com/images/euro-5.jpg) and here (

[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Sliderule-17

2010-09-15 Thread Sugar Labs Activities
Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4222 Sugar Platform: 0.82 - 0.90 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/27038/sliderule-17.xo Release notes: After more feedback from Tony Forster: * better error-message handling for custom sliders (#2325) * custom

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Sliderule 17

2010-09-15 Thread Walter Bender
Not sure if anyone cares about Honey releases... but after consultation with Tony Forster, I made some more changes to the Sliderule Activity. == Source == http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Sliderule/Sliderule-17.tar.bz2 == Changes since v16 == 17 * better error-message handling for

Re: [Sugar-devel] #2141 UNSP: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame.

2010-09-15 Thread Tabitha Roder
On 16 September 2010 03:53, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote: Agreed -- that's a terrible heuristic. And happy/sad face is a terrible UI. The computer is not happy or sad; it's _working_. I recently learned that when an autistic child played a Gcompris game on Sugar and were

Re: [Sugar-devel] #2141 UNSP: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame.

2010-09-15 Thread Tim McNamara
On 16 September 2010 09:24, Tabitha Roder tabi...@tabitha.net.nz wrote: When I was in Samoa at their olpc deployment, I found the kids started lots of activities but no one had told them how to stop an activity. I tried to explain why the XOs were not responsive by saying that the computer was

Re: [Sugar-devel] Text to Speech in other Activities (was Re: [IAEP] FW: [Olpc-uruguay] MiguelEstudia (Version 1))

2010-09-15 Thread James Cameron
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:50:16AM +1200, Tim McNamara wrote: I agree - we always have Speak open at demos. Do you have any documentation on how to get the speech engine running in other activities? I wasn't quite sure how to access (engine) Alice when I spent a few hours a few months ago

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-15 Thread Gary Martin
On 15 Sep 2010, at 12:03, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 09/14/2010 10:50 PM, Gary Martin wrote: Hi Simon, On 6 Sep 2010, at 15:25, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, I can well imagine there had been several discussions about this before, even so a quick search of the archives did not reveal