Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-08-13 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 07/31/2010 01:36 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 13:28 -0600, Daniel Drake wrote: On 30 July 2010 10:59, Anish Mangalanishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I think you should revert to the original design. I agree that 'hiding' the action buttons away in a toolbar is rather

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-08-13 Thread Gary Martin
On 13 Aug 2010, at 10:46, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 07/31/2010 01:36 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 13:28 -0600, Daniel Drake wrote: On 30 July 2010 10:59, Anish Mangalanishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I think you should revert to the original design. I agree that

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-08-01 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 21:28, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 30 July 2010 10:59, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I think you should revert to the original design. I agree that 'hiding' the action buttons away in a toolbar is rather unfortunate :-( , but wouldn't placing

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-31 Thread Anish Mangal
I agree that 'hiding' the action buttons away in a toolbar is rather unfortunate :-( , but wouldn't placing buttons as in the original layout eat up vertical space? No more than before (as has been the design for years). The old design with the buttons in the middle always struck me as

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-31 Thread Walter Bender
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that 'hiding' the action buttons away in a toolbar is rather unfortunate :-( , but wouldn't placing buttons as in the original layout eat up vertical space? No more than before (as has been the design

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-31 Thread Anish Mangal
With this version, I n longer have an edit toolbar. This is a regression. No (and neither does the current Pippy-36 version), I've yet to merge that code into the mainline. This was just for testing out local toolkit. It really is not so difficult to maintain toolbars across different

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-31 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 08:04:35PM +0530, Anish Mangal wrote: I agree that 'hiding' the action buttons away in a toolbar is rather unfortunate :-( , but wouldn't placing buttons as in the original layout eat up vertical space? No more than before (as has been the design for years).

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-30 Thread Daniel Drake
On 29 July 2010 23:37, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I wanted to get an opinion on what should be the best way around this. When I detect an old version, should I create a new 'Actions' toolbar with the the run, stop (different from Activity-stop) and clear buttons[3], or

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-30 Thread Anish Mangal
I think you should revert to the original design. I agree that 'hiding' the action buttons away in a toolbar is rather unfortunate :-( , but wouldn't placing buttons as in the original layout eat up vertical space? Here are a few things to consider. 1. The original pippy layout had just the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-30 Thread Daniel Drake
On 30 July 2010 10:59, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I think you should revert to the original design. I agree that 'hiding' the action buttons away in a toolbar is rather unfortunate :-( , but wouldn't placing buttons as in the original layout eat up vertical space? No more

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-30 Thread Daniel Drake
BTW, I'm not exactly sure what kind of changes you are envisioning, but I would suggest that you keep the focus on simplicity. That's the beauty of Pippy as it is now. For more advanced development tools there have been designs and implementations of other activities in the past, such as Develop

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-30 Thread Anish Mangal
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:58 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 30 July 2010 10:59, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I think you should revert to the original design. Sugar has little visibility of keyboard shortcuts (is there even any documentation of them?) so I think

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-30 Thread Anish Mangal
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: BTW, I'm not exactly sure what kind of changes you are envisioning, but I would suggest that you keep the focus on simplicity. That's the beauty of Pippy as it is now. Correct. I envision Pippy as a lightweight activity with

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-30 Thread Gary Martin
On 30 Jul 2010, at 20:28, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 30 July 2010 10:59, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I think you should revert to the original design. I agree that 'hiding' the action buttons away in a toolbar is rather unfortunate :-( , but wouldn't placing

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-30 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 13:28 -0600, Daniel Drake wrote: On 30 July 2010 10:59, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I think you should revert to the original design. I agree that 'hiding' the action buttons away in a toolbar is rather unfortunate :-( , but wouldn't placing buttons

[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-29 Thread Anish Mangal
Pippy-36 [1] while running on xo1-0.84 (and lower) has a problem with its layout [2] where the Keep and Activity-Stop buttons drop off the main toolbar and the share combo box doesn't appear anymore (probably due to lack of space on the main toolbar). I wanted to get an opinion on what should be