Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-29 Thread Michael Stone
0install looks quite promising to me and http://www.osnews.com/story/16956/Decentralised_Installation_Systems is good reading about the general issues involved. Has anyone here experimented with it? Regards, Michael ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-29 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 05:09:44PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: 0install looks quite promising to me and http://www.osnews.com/story/16956/Decentralised_Installation_Systems is good reading about the general issues involved. Has anyone here experimented with it? Regards, Michael

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-29 Thread Gary C Martin
On 30 Aug 2009, at 00:17, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 05:09:44PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: 0install looks quite promising to me and http://www.osnews.com/story/16956/Decentralised_Installation_Systems is good reading about the general issues involved. Has anyone here

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-29 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 12:51:22AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: On 30 Aug 2009, at 00:17, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 05:09:44PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: 0install looks quite promising to me and http://www.osnews.com/story/16956/Decentralised_Installation_Systems is

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-29 Thread Michael Stone
(Regarding 0install): It is interesting, but fails horribly badly in the case of no, or low bandwidth Internet. I'm not convinced, for three reasons. First, there is 0share http://0install.net/0share.html which seems to me to be remarkably similar to our long-stated goal of horizontal

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-29 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Aleksey, On 30 Aug 2009, at 01:23, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 12:51:22AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: On 30 Aug 2009, at 00:17, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 05:09:44PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: 0install looks quite promising to me and

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-29 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Gary C Martin wrote: How many ebooks could you distribute (and store) for the bandwidth (and nand space) taken up by downloading the required dependancies for Java. A hell of a lot. That's why we need to display prominently exactly how much space each item in the Journal takes, including

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi all, Feel free to ignore my comments here - after all I am not doing any of the heavy lifting in this field, I just continue to package for Debian from source, independent on what you come up with here... On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:53AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: As a long time Mac

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-28 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:53AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Benjamin, On 28 Aug 2009, at 03:58, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Bobby Powers wrote: I think having something like: example.activity |-arch/ |-arch/x86/ |-arch/x86/bin/ |-arch/x86/lib/ |-arch/armel/ ...

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 09:55:37PM +0200, Elena of Valhalla wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Jonas Smedegaardd...@jones.dk wrote: What would universal be in the Sugar context? i386 + amd64? i686 + amd64? i386 + i686 + amd64? i386 would work on all of them, even if not optimally, but

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 05:04:32PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: Purposes for 0install(or so) in comparing with native packages: * one way to install deps in all environments * non-root install * requires reliable internet access at install time - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist

[Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-27 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Benjamin, On 28 Aug 2009, at 03:58, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Bobby Powers wrote: I think having something like: example.activity |-arch/ |-arch/x86/ |-arch/x86/bin/ |-arch/x86/lib/ |-arch/armel/ ... could work. Sugar could set an environmental variable ARCH to the relevant

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-27 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Benjamin, On 28 Aug 2009, at 03:58, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Bobby Powers wrote: I think having something like: example.activity |-arch/ |-arch/x86/ |-arch/x86/bin/ |-arch/x86/lib/ |-arch/armel/ ... could work. Sugar could set an environmental variable