Re: [Sugar-devel] Duplication of Effort: Don't do it.

2009-07-28 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/7/28 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: Regardless of what I said, I think your point of increased memory usage is a valid one and the community should voice its opinions on this trade off. My opinion: - Focusing resources on different technologies like this is a distraction - It's an

Re: [Sugar-devel] Duplication of Effort: Don't do it.

2009-07-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 08:23, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: 2009/7/28 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: Regardless of what I said, I think your point of increased memory usage is a valid one and the community should voice its opinions on this trade off. My opinion: - Focusing

[Sugar-devel] Duplication of Effort: Don't do it.

2009-07-27 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have lately seen a lot of duplication of effort in Sugar. I think this is bad. The success of Sugar demands discipline and careful planning from its developers. In particular, I am arguing that supporting Qt or Webkit would be a terrible idea,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Duplication of Effort: Don't do it.

2009-07-27 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 01:38:41PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: I have lately seen a lot of duplication of effort in Sugar. I think this is bad. The success of Sugar demands discipline and careful planning from its developers. In

Re: [Sugar-devel] Duplication of Effort: Don't do it.

2009-07-27 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 19:38, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have lately seen a lot of duplication of effort in Sugar.  I think this is bad.  The success of Sugar demands discipline and careful planning from its

Re: [Sugar-devel] Duplication of Effort: Don't do it.

2009-07-27 Thread Gary C Martin
On 27 Jul 2009, at 18:38, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have lately seen a lot of duplication of effort in Sugar. I think this is bad. The success of Sugar demands discipline and careful planning from its developers. In particular, I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Duplication of Effort: Don't do it.

2009-07-27 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have lately seen a lot of duplication of effort in Sugar.  I think this is bad.  The success of Sugar demands discipline and careful planning from its

Re: [Sugar-devel] Duplication of Effort: Don't do it.

2009-07-27 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 27.07.2009, at 15:24, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Agreed, but the important point here is taking out barriers, even if they are psychological ones. By aligning yourself in the GNOME or KDE camp you are getting out the radar of a big part of the free software community. Well said. Sugar can only

Re: [Sugar-devel] Duplication of Effort: Don't do it.

2009-07-27 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi All. I think Benjamin got a point when he refers to ''99.99% of all deployed computers running Sugar are XO-1's, and will soon be XO-1.5's. These are strongly resource-constrained machines, and they cannot tolerate inefficiency in the use of disk, CPU, or RAM. Outside of OLPC, we continue to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Duplication of Effort: Don't do it.

2009-07-27 Thread Bastien
Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org writes: To be clear, I'm not positively pushing for Qt, but I have invested my own time so that people that have a value proposition can bring it on more easily. A feeling I have developed during my work on Sugar is that people block because think things are