Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-24 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 03/22/2009 05:18 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: Heh, actually rpm has had %license special file attribute since rpm 2.5.4, it just doesn't really do much anything at all. It also doesn't play well together with %doc, AND since the ancient copyright - license tag change, %license as file

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
Jakub Jelinek wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 04:58:11AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Tom spot Callaway wrote: Now, if there were a clever way to handle this behind the scenes so that these license files were not duplicated if they were identical, but instead, symlinked to the license files in

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-24 Thread Panu Matilainen
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Tom \spot\ Callaway wrote: On 03/22/2009 05:18 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: Heh, actually rpm has had %license special file attribute since rpm 2.5.4, it just doesn't really do much anything at all. It also doesn't play well together with %doc, AND since the ancient

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-24 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:07:30AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: Basically, have rpm -V ignore timestamp verification on %license files. Make that have rpm -V ignore timestamp verification on files whose hardlink count is 1. That's reasonably in line with how rpm -V currently treats

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-24 Thread Simon Schampijer
Kevin Kofler wrote: Simon Schampijer wrote: So, the point to ship a license per package is fine. I actually did not want to relax that. I had the technical problem to need to access the license field to be able to display it in a dialog inside Sugar.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
Jakub Jelinek wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:07:30AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: Basically, have rpm -V ignore timestamp verification on %license files. Make that have rpm -V ignore timestamp verification on files whose hardlink count is 1. That's reasonably in line with how rpm -V

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-24 Thread Bill Crawford
On Tuesday 24 March 2009 10:26:23 Panu Matilainen wrote: Hmm okay, any user being able to modivy rpm -V behavior is not exactly good, although timestamp verify is pretty feeble business (considering rpm doesnt raise conflicts on timestamp differences). If it's shared, then it should at least

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-22 Thread Panu Matilainen
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Tom \spot\ Callaway wrote: On 03/20/2009 04:06 PM, Lyos Gemini Norezel wrote: Pity. A %license (ie., like the %doc) field would be nice to have. Indeed. This is where I think the most interesting work needs to be done. Once rpm knows that a %license file is a special

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
Tom spot Callaway wrote: Now, if there were a clever way to handle this behind the scenes so that these license files were not duplicated if they were identical, but instead, symlinked to the license files in a generic license rpm, I might be more interested. (If they weren't bit for bit

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-21 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 04:58:11AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Tom spot Callaway wrote: Now, if there were a clever way to handle this behind the scenes so that these license files were not duplicated if they were identical, but instead, symlinked to the license files in a generic license

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-20 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 03/20/2009 03:38 PM, Lyos Gemini Norezel wrote: Isn't it possible to figure that out with a bit of bash programming? Eg., use the 'comm' command. comm Compare two sorted files line by line and, if different, a diff could be generated to show you exactly what's different. Doesn't

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-20 Thread Lyos Gemini Norezel
Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 03/20/2009 03:38 PM, Lyos Gemini Norezel wrote: Isn't it possible to figure that out with a bit of bash programming? Eg., use the 'comm' command. comm Compare two sorted files line by line and, if different, a diff could be generated to show you exactly

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-19 Thread Simon Schampijer
Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 03/18/2009 03:45 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Simon Schampijer wrote: Yes. So the main question is now if Fedora would be willing to ship general licenses under /usr/share/common-licenses, I think. I really don't want to do this. Here's why: A) Many copyright

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-18 Thread Simon Schampijer
Bernie Innocenti wrote: [cc += fedora-de...@] Sorry to reply late on this. Benj. Mako Hill wrote: quote who=Simon Schampijer date=Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 01:06:19PM +0100 we did show a full license in the Control Panel before. The path was hard coded to where OLPC had placed the GPL license.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-18 Thread Simon Schampijer
Benj. Mako Hill wrote: quote who=Simon Schampijer date=Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:59:53AM +0100 Yeah. Looks like Mandriva has /usr/share/common-licenses and per packages COPYING files. But the ones in /usr/share/common-licenses are named differently then those in Debian (GPL-2 not GPLv2).

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-18 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=Simon Schampijer date=Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:59:53AM +0100 Yeah. Looks like Mandriva has /usr/share/common-licenses and per packages COPYING files. But the ones in /usr/share/common-licenses are named differently then those in Debian (GPL-2 not GPLv2). Nothing that symlinks

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
Simon Schampijer wrote: Yes. So the main question is now if Fedora would be willing to ship general licenses under /usr/share/common-licenses, I think. FWIW, I don't think it's legal to do that, licenses need to accompany the package. But in any case what really matters is whether RH Legal

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-18 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 03/18/2009 03:45 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Simon Schampijer wrote: Yes. So the main question is now if Fedora would be willing to ship general licenses under /usr/share/common-licenses, I think. I really don't want to do this. Here's why: A) Many copyright holders make minor modifications to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-18 Thread David Malcolm
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:00 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 03/18/2009 03:45 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Simon Schampijer wrote: Yes. So the main question is now if Fedora would be willing to ship general licenses under /usr/share/common-licenses, I think. I really don't want to do this.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-18 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:44 PM, David Malcolm dmalc...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:00 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 03/18/2009 03:45 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Simon Schampijer wrote: Yes. So the main question is now if Fedora would be willing to ship general licenses

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-18 Thread Sean DALY
Questions like these are bread and butter for the SFC. On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:44 PM, David Malcolm dmalc...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:00 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 03/18/2009 03:45 PM,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Elena of Valhalla wrote: no, GPL doesn't[1], a pointer is enough, but GNU FDL does [1] You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along with this program. If not, see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/. Not true, that sentence is there to cope with projects which don't

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-02 Thread Carol Farlow Lerche
As long as it can be overridden (and I presume it could be.) I have a problem in SynPhony of having many contributers to the database content that are stored along with license details in a table within the database. Static info in the software packaging is insufficient. 2009/2/28 Bernie

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-01 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 01:52:49AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Caius kaio Chance wrote: GPL requires attachment of COPYING? Yes. I believe the way Debian handles this is by interpreting the distribution as a whole as being shipped as one. -

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-01 Thread Caius kaio Chance
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bernie Innocenti さんは書きました: Seems like a great idea to me... But I think it already came up some time ago, and I vaguely remember that RH legal blocked it because the license itself -- not just a symlink to it -- had to accompany the package. GPL

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-01 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=Bernie Innocenti date=Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 12:53:34AM +0100 Seems like a great idea to me... But I think it already came up some time ago, and I vaguely remember that RH legal blocked it because the license itself -- not just a symlink to it -- had to accompany the package. Well,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-03-01 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Caius kaio Chance wrote: GPL requires attachment of COPYING? Yes. no, GPL doesn't[1], a pointer is enough, but GNU FDL does [1] You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along with this

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-02-28 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: I suggest a palette attached to a button in the toolbar to show this info, or a modal alert similar to the object chooser. A long time ago, someone at OLPC (was it Eben?) suggested adding an About menu item to the Stop button in the activity toolbar. Sugar-toolkit could

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-02-28 Thread Carol Farlow Lerche
I liked Wade's suggestion of making it part of help, as it is in other desktops. (help-about) Of course this presumes that the great help debate results in a help button/thingy!! (My challenged GUI nomenclature is one more piece of evidence as to why I don't build GUIs for a living.) On Sat,

[Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-02-20 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi, we did show a full license in the Control Panel before. The path was hard coded to where OLPC had placed the GPL license. What can we do to meet the expectations of all the distributions that want to ship sugar? Thanks for inputs on this, Simon http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/357

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-02-20 Thread Carol Farlow Lerche
This brings up an issue I have been thinking about, since the SynPhony database comprises several with attribution components. Would it make sense to have a common design element that was about activity or credits that would allow contributions to be acknowledged? Leaving aside whether it is a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-02-20 Thread Wade Brainerd
Agreed that an about this activity (credits, license, etc) UI element should be standard. This should be part of a ubiquitous help button, which would become part of the standard activity toolbar. When clicked, it opens a localized .html file from within the activity bundle. It could open in