Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-08 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 12:51:43PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 3 Jul 2009, at 10:01, Martin Langhoff wrote: Wishlist: show files by size filter

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 04:55:57PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Just to confirm; I take it that Xapians prefix maps haven't been used so far in the Journal index implementation (i.e. title:Paint, description:meeting, or tags:homework)? Point me at rep Sugar source if that's quicker (not

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-06 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:51, Sascha Silbesascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 04:55:57PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Just to confirm; I take it that Xapians prefix maps haven't been used  so far in the Journal index implementation (i.e. title:Paint,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 11:08:21AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: You're right on spot. The only prefixes used (but not defined for the query) are: Not quite, the association from mime_type: to M is doing when constructing the query: [...] So to support that we just need to call add_prefix on the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-06 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 13:56, Sascha Silbesascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 11:08:21AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: You're right on spot. The only prefixes used (but not defined for the query) are: Not quite, the association from mime_type: to M is doing when

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-06 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Eben, On 5 Jul 2009, at 23:52, Gary C Martin wrote: On 4 Jul 2009, at 04:19, Eben Eliason wrote: I'll throw this idea back out there for fun, too. I don't know if there's a way to do even this without adding too much complexity, but we did make some mockups of an advanced sort bar, which

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-06 Thread Frederick Grose
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Gaurav Bhushan gau...@schmizz.net wrote: Sure Fred, let me know what would be required of me. Perhaps you could look at the list of nouns and verbs below and think of icons to represent them. If you see 'garycmartin' on irc://irc.freenode.net#sugar, ask him his

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-06 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 3 Jul 2009, at 10:01, Martin Langhoff wrote: Wishlist: show files by size filter or option? If the Uruguay experience is any indicator, a fact of life

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-05 Thread Gary C Martin
On 4 Jul 2009, at 04:19, Eben Eliason wrote: I'll throw this idea back out there for fun, too. I don't know if there's a way to do even this without adding too much complexity, but we did make some mockups of an advanced sort bar, which instead of sorting on columns allowed creation of

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-05 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi James, On 3 Jul 2009, at 19:29, James Zaki wrote: Perhaps this is a late reply, (I am yet to read the last 6 or so digests of to 20+ that were in my inbox) No not late at all! :-) But I am always sensitive of little incremental additions that seem like it would be useful. I always

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-05 Thread Gary C Martin
On 4 Jul 2009, at 03:36, Eben Eliason wrote: That said, I'm actually thinking that the tag dropdown should be an extension of the search field itself. Perhaps it's just to the right, and only needs to be a little down arrow that reveals the tags (or perhaps we even modify the search entry to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-05 Thread Frederick Grose
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: ... One thing we could do to try to move forward on the new toolbar concept is to build svg icons for as many of the tabs that are already in use. We need to come up with clear and identifiable icon for each **before**

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-04 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 05:19, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: It sounds like you're describing a NOT filter (eg. kind:text NOT activity:terminal), though, which the current UI doesn't support, as all of the filter options are combined with an AND. I think adding boolean AND/OR/NOT controls

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-04 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
in that dropdown. Has that always been so big? To me that would be intimidating for the first user experience. James. Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 04:25:54 + From: Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main        display To: Gary C Martin g

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-04 Thread Gary C Martin
On 4 Jul 2009, at 10:08, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 20:29, James Zakijames.z...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps this is a late reply, (I am yet to read the last 6 or so digests of to 20+ that were in my inbox) But I am always sensitive of little incremental additions that seem

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-04 Thread Gary C Martin
On 4 Jul 2009, at 09:56, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 05:19, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: It sounds like you're describing a NOT filter (eg. kind:text NOT activity:terminal), though, which the current UI doesn't support, as all of the filter options are combined with an

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-04 Thread Gary C Martin
On 4 Jul 2009, at 16:29, Gary C Martin wrote: P.S. Should have another round of updates to the mock-ups later today. OK, that's the next revision update of mock-up images with comments – still more to add (When/Who), but the toolbars at least show icons for the main potential top-level

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Aleksey was keen to see any Journal mock-up work in progress I had, early as possible, so here's where I'm at :-) There's plenty to do still, images are intended to help bounce ideas about, poke at the grey matter between

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 11:01:25AM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Aleksey was keen to see any Journal mock-up work in progress I had, early as possible, so here's where I'm at :-) There's plenty to do still, images are

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:01, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Aleksey was keen to see any Journal mock-up work in progress I had, early as possible, so here's where I'm at :-) There's plenty to do still,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Aleksey, On 3 Jul 2009, at 05:25, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 04:29:47AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Aleksey was keen to see any Journal mock-up work in progress I had, early as possible, so here's where I'm at :-) There's plenty to do still, images are intended to help

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread Gary C Martin
On 3 Jul 2009, at 05:53, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 04:25:54AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: * additional types of filters for example Library has[2] several types to filter objects * user tags * object traits(additional columns from previous section) like author,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread Gary C Martin
On 3 Jul 2009, at 06:13, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 05:06:30AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 04:53:42AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 04:25:54AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: * additional types of filters for example Library has[2] several

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 06:13:24PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Aleksey, On 3 Jul 2009, at 05:25, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 04:29:47AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Aleksey was keen to see any Journal mock-up work in progress I had, early as possible, so here's where I'm at

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 06:36:07PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: On 3 Jul 2009, at 06:06, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 04:53:42AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 04:25:54AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: * additional types of filters for example Library has[2]

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 06:40:37PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: On 3 Jul 2009, at 06:13, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 05:06:30AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 04:53:42AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 04:25:54AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: *

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread Gary C Martin
On 3 Jul 2009, at 10:01, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Aleksey was keen to see any Journal mock-up work in progress I had, early as possible, so here's where I'm at :-) There's plenty to do still, images are intended to help

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread James Zaki
+ From: Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display To: Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com Cc: Sugar Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 20090703042553.ga15...@antilopa-gnu Content-Type: text/plain

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 08:29:10PM +0200, James Zaki wrote: Perhaps this is a late reply, (I am yet to read the last 6 or so digests of to 20+ that were in my inbox) But I am always sensitive of little incremental additions that seem like it would be useful. I always try to think about the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 06:29:21PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: On 3 Jul 2009, at 05:53, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 04:25:54AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: * additional types of filters for example Library has[2] several types to filter objects * user tags * object

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 3 Jul 2009, at 10:01, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Aleksey was keen to see any Journal mock-up work in progress I had, early as possible, so here's

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 06:13:24PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Aleksey, On 3 Jul 2009, at 05:25, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 04:29:47AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Aleksey was keen to see any Journal

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-02 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 04:25:54AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: * additional types of filters for example Library has[2] several types to filter objects * user tags * object traits(additional columns from previous section) like author, genre, date for books * activity

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-02 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 05:06:30AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 04:53:42AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 04:25:54AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: * additional types of filters for example Library has[2] several types to filter objects * user

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-01 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 18:14, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 29 Jun 2009, at 16:07, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 16:55, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 02:39:22PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: We have about 60 characters worth of

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-01 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 19:02, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 30 Jun 2009, at 00:32, Michael Stone wrote: -- big snip from old thread --- - Better Anything toolbar filter palette (use a grid layout to minimise scrolling) How do you think  

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-01 Thread Gary C Martin
On 1 Jul 2009, at 10:54, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 18:14, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: - Showing tags under the title would be great (Tomeu, I will help where I can) Hope to push my work on the journal treeview soon, then you can take it and do whatever

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-30 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 08:59:30PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Edward Cherlinecher...@gmail.com wrote: I would be interested to see this applied to a few dozen common workflows, such as student portfolios, a business plan, a lesson plan, a textbook

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-30 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 08:59:30PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Edward Cherlinecher...@gmail.com wrote: I would be interested to see this applied to a few dozen common workflows, such as

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-30 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 08:46:56AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 08:59:30PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Edward Cherlinecher...@gmail.com wrote: I would be

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-30 Thread Gary C Martin
On 30 Jun 2009, at 00:32, Michael Stone wrote: -- big snip from old thread --- - Better Anything toolbar filter palette (use a grid layout to minimise scrolling) How do you think http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Designs/Toolbars would work out here? An 'Anything' filter button

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-29 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 20:13, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Tomeu, On 28 Jun 2009, at 09:59, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: 2009/6/21 Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com: We have about 60 characters worth of blank space in every Journal entry. It would be a great help if we could display

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-29 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 02:39:22PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: We have about 60 characters worth of blank space in every Journal entry. It would be a great help if we could display 40-50 characters from the description field for each entry on the main page. We could also drop off the word

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-29 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 16:55, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 02:39:22PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: We have about 60 characters worth of blank space in every Journal entry. It would be a great help if we could display 40-50 characters from the description

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-29 Thread Gary C Martin
On 29 Jun 2009, at 16:07, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 16:55, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 02:39:22PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: We have about 60 characters worth of blank space in every Journal entry. It would be a great help if we

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 20:13, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Tomeu, On 28 Jun 2009, at 09:59, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: 2009/6/21 Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com: We have about 60 characters worth of blank

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-29 Thread Michael Stone
Gary C. Martin wrote: I like the intent, but I don't think the activity centric view has concrete enough spec to consider implementing yet. I want to convince you that we actually have enough detail to make forward progress with. To that end, I'm going to offer a bunch of text on how I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
Oh, Michael, you're in trouble now. ^_^ You risk reinventing the data-centric Ontology in an Object-Oriented Programming form. This is one of the worst sinks for time and mental energy that I know of. It saps the will, because soon users become obsessed with making the map match the territory,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-29 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Michael Stonemich...@laptop.org wrote: Gary C. Martin wrote: I like the intent, but I don't think the activity centric view has concrete enough spec to consider implementing yet. I want to convince you that we actually have enough detail to make forward

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-29 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Edward Cherlinecher...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, Michael, you're in trouble now. ^_^ You risk reinventing the data-centric Ontology in an Object-Oriented Programming form. This is one of the worst sinks for time and mental energy that I know of. It saps the will,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2009/6/21 Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com: We have about 60 characters worth of blank space in every Journal entry. It would be a great help if we could display 40-50 characters from the description field for each entry on the main page. We could also drop off the word Activity from every

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-28 Thread Eben Eliason
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Edward Cherlinecher...@gmail.com wrote: We have about 60 characters worth of blank space in every Journal entry. It would be a great help if we could display 40-50 characters from the description field for each entry on the main page. We could also drop off the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-28 Thread Walter Bender
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Tomeu, On 28 Jun 2009, at 09:59, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: 2009/6/21 Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com: We have about 60 characters worth of blank space in every Journal entry. It would be a great help if we could

[Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-21 Thread Edward Cherlin
We have about 60 characters worth of blank space in every Journal entry. It would be a great help if we could display 40-50 characters from the description field for each entry on the main page. We could also drop off the word Activity from every Activity name. I am going to create dozens of