[Sugar-devel] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Bill Kerr
n Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: === Sugar Digest === 4. The recent FSF campaign condemning the use of Windows 7 in education (See http://windows7sins.org/) imputes OLPC in complicity with Microsoft. It is disappointing that the FSF is not making any

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 28.08.2009, at 11:33, Bill Kerr wrote: n Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: === Sugar Digest === 4. The recent FSF campaign condemning the use of Windows 7 in education (See http://windows7sins.org/) imputes OLPC in complicity with Microsoft. It

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:13:24AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: If fat binaries are not desired, which alternatives do we have? 1) Include more aggressively/liberally arch-dependent stuff in Sucrose, and include/write wrappers for popular arch-independent languages (e.g. Python) 2)

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
[readding sugar-devel] On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:04, Peter Robinsonpbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Bobby Powers wrote: I think having something like: example.activity |-arch/ |-arch/x86/ |-arch/x86/bin/ |-arch/x86/lib/ |-arch/armel/ ... could work.  Sugar could set an environmental

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:23, Peter Robinsonpbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:04, Peter Robinsonpbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Bobby Powers wrote: I think having something like: example.activity |-arch/ |-arch/x86/ |-arch/x86/bin/ |-arch/x86/lib/ |-arch/armel/ ...

[Sugar-devel] Request Feature Freeze Exception for ticket #916 to allow sugar on non-xo hardware to register with a schoolserver

2009-08-28 Thread Hamilton Chua
Hello, I would like to kindly request for an exception to the feature freeze currently in place to allow the inclusion of a patch that will enable sugar on non-xo hardware to register with a schoolserver. The relevant ticket with details is at http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/916 The patch is

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Walter Bender
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 14:08, Bill Kerrbillk...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 28.08.2009, at 11:33, Bill Kerr wrote: n Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:20 AM,

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-28 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Martin Langhoff wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Yeah, I guess Jonas' suggestion of promoting platform independent bundles as first class addresses this concern. +1 I personally don't think we are going to be able to outdo rpms nor debs so

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
Is the author local to Boston? Maybe we should take him over to the GPA and show him a room full of Windows machines all running open software. Perhaps seeing it for himself will help, the authors certainly seem to care about what kids are using for their education. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:02

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-28 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Peter Robinson wrote: I think from the sugar perspective there needs to be some standard defined and recommendation made +to make supporting it easier rather than just sitting on the fence. I agree. I am trying to devise such a recommendation. My goal is that the recommendation also be a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Walter Bender
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Caroline Meekssolutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Is the author local to Boston? Maybe we should take him over to the GPA and show him a room full of Windows machines all running open software.  Perhaps seeing it for himself will help, the authors certainly seem to 

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-28 Thread Carlo Falciola
I agree completely on Jonas proposal to give a strong identity to Activity developed within a sugar-portability shield, and let me expand a bit the concept to come to a proposal for a little classification of activity based on supported features, testing and development. I think this approach

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-28 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:07 PM, jpriti...@pobox.com wrote: Martin Langhoff wrote: Of course, Sugar Shell then asks the _distro_ tools to satisfy the requirements (PackageKit may be a good abstraction, otherwise a bit of glue to drive yum and apt might be needed). This makes sense to me. All

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-28 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Martin Langhoff wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: I think I am understanding.  My claim is that different distros are sufficiently dissimilar that we

[Sugar-devel] clash of user- and system-installed activities (was: Release Physics-3)

2009-08-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 02:15:29PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Dave, Do you have Physics-2 installed on the SoaS? Depending on the SoaS version you have, the early ones had Activities installed in non- standard places, with non user permissions, and sometimes symbolic links :-( You would

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-28 Thread Gary C Martin
On 28 Aug 2009, at 11:57, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:51, Peter Robinsonpbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: As a developer, dropping .xo support would take a lot of work from my shoulders, but I suspect our users would kill us... I suspect users will kill you as well when

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi all, Feel free to ignore my comments here - after all I am not doing any of the heavy lifting in this field, I just continue to package for Debian from source, independent on what you come up with here... On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:53AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: As a long time Mac

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:02:44PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:37, Jonas Smedegaardd...@jones.dk wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:13:24AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: If fat binaries are not desired, which alternatives do we have?  1) Include more

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 18:55, Jonas Smedegaardd...@jones.dk wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:02:44PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:37, Jonas Smedegaardd...@jones.dk wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:13:24AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: If fat binaries are not

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-28 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:53AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Benjamin, On 28 Aug 2009, at 03:58, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Bobby Powers wrote: I think having something like: example.activity |-arch/ |-arch/x86/ |-arch/x86/bin/ |-arch/x86/lib/ |-arch/armel/ ...

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 07:11:54AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:51, Peter Robinsonpbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: As a developer, dropping .xo support would take a lot of work from my shoulders, but I

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:16:36PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Also, Sugar has been reported to run on the Gdium which uses a MIPS Loongson CPU. If someone on this list has access to one of those, we could check that activities with binaries are made to run there as well. Yeah, I applied for

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 09:55:37PM +0200, Elena of Valhalla wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Jonas Smedegaardd...@jones.dk wrote: What would universal be in the Sugar context? i386 + amd64? i686 + amd64? i386 + i686 + amd64? i386 would work on all of them, even if not optimally, but

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 05:04:32PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: Purposes for 0install(or so) in comparing with native packages: * one way to install deps in all environments * non-root install * requires reliable internet access at install time - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 07:02:30PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 18:55, Jonas Smedegaardd...@jones.dk wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:02:44PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:37, Jonas Smedegaardd...@jones.dk wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at

Re: [Sugar-devel] clash of user- and system-installed activities (was: Release Physics-3)

2009-08-28 Thread Gary C Martin
On 28 Aug 2009, at 21:42, Walter Bender wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jonas Smedegaardd...@jones.dk wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 02:15:29PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Dave, Do you have Physics-2 installed on the SoaS? Depending on the SoaS version you have, the early ones

Re: [Sugar-devel] clash of user- and system-installed activities (was: Release Physics-3)

2009-08-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:15:09PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: On 28 Aug 2009, at 21:42, Walter Bender wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jonas Smedegaardd...@jones.dk wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 02:15:29PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Dave, Do you have Physics-2 installed on

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] OCR?

2009-08-28 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
I've heard good things about OpenCV http://opencv.willowgarage.com/wiki/ though i haven't use it yet. Rafael Ortiz On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Edward Cherlinecher...@gmail.com wrote: I was at a presentation last week of Abbyy OCR software, which works on pictures taken by mobile

Re: [Sugar-devel] Ad-hoc network identification badge

2009-08-28 Thread Gary C Martin
On 28 Aug 2009, at 21:51, Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 27 Aug 2009, at 22:24, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 08/27/2009 10:42 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: Quick ping, Do we need something like an emblem-buddy.svg for ad-hoc

Re: [Sugar-devel] OCR?

2009-08-28 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Edward Cherlin wrote: Is there a Free Software OCR engine of adequate quality? http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/ The question is: adequate for what? (A question likely to be answered only by testing.) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Bastien
After a discussion with the FSF, they agreed the picture was not really appropriate and that the text should clearly distinguish OLPC from Sugar. They will make an update - stay tuned. Thanks! -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
Thanks! We'd still love for them to come by GPA just for the sheer joy of seeing an entire room of old windows machines shinning with Open Source software. Caroline On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.comwrote: After a discussion with the FSF, they agreed the

Re: [Sugar-devel] windows7sins

2009-08-28 Thread Sameer Verma
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:08 AM, Joshua N Pritikinjpriti...@pobox.com wrote: I am surprised to read: As a result, it is expected that the main effect of the OLPC project -- if it succeeds -- will be to turn millions of children into Microsoft dependents. Some of your other criticisms of OLPC

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Bill Kerr
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.comwrote: After a discussion with the FSF, they agreed the picture was not really appropriate and that the text should clearly distinguish OLPC from Sugar. They will make an update - stay tuned. the picture is gone but the

[Sugar-devel] Read-only access to thumb drive forbidden by Rainbow?

2009-08-28 Thread Jim Simmons
As I have mentioned in this list before, I am trying to make View Slides able to get pictures that may or may not be in the Journal and add them to a slide presentation. Under .82 objects in thumb drives can be listed using the Data Store API, which was fine. In .84 you cannot do that any more,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Read-only access to thumb drive forbidden by Rainbow?

2009-08-28 Thread Walter Bender
You can isolate Rainbow by disabling it and seeing if the problem goes away. sudo rm /etc/olpc-security will disable Rainbow sudo touch /etc/olpc-security will reenable it. -walter On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Jim Simmonsnices...@gmail.com wrote: As I have mentioned in this list

Re: [Sugar-devel] Ad-hoc network identification badge

2009-08-28 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 28 Aug 2009, at 21:51, Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 27 Aug 2009, at 22:24, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 08/27/2009 10:42 PM, Gary C Martin wrote:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Ad-hoc network identification badge

2009-08-28 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Eben, On 29 Aug 2009, at 04:26, Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 28 Aug 2009, at 21:51, Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 27 Aug 2009, at 22:24, Simon

Re: [Sugar-devel] clash of user- and system-installed activities (was: Release Physics-3)

2009-08-28 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 05:53:51PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 02:15:29PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Dave, Do you have Physics-2 installed on the SoaS? Depending on the SoaS version you have, the early ones had Activities installed in non- standard places,

[Sugar-devel] Fwd: SarynPaint: a Java program packaged for the OLPC

2009-08-28 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Rafael Ortiz -- Forwarded message -- From: Ben Wiley Sittler bsitt...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:29 AM Subject: SarynPaint: a Java program packaged for the OLPC To: OLPC Developer's List de...@laptop.org A friend of mine wrote a hand/eye coordination game called