Re: [Sugar-devel] Datastore index corruption!

2010-07-30 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 05:01:32PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 19:21 -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Here's an almost infallible recipe to reproduce it: 1. open Write 2. type something 3. close Write 4. wait a few seconds 5. kill -9 the datastore process

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] touchpad section for Sugar Control Panel

2010-07-30 Thread Walter Bender
Sorry. -u this time: --- /home/walter/Desktop/walters-sugar-clone/extensions/deviceicon/touchpad.py 2010-07-20 13:23:44.0 -0400 +++ touchpad.py 2010-07-29 22:25:37.0 -0400 @@ -32,8 +32,8 @@ STATUS_TEXT = {TOUCHPAD_MODES[0]: _('finger'), TOUCHPAD_MODES[1]: _('stylus')}

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-30 Thread Daniel Drake
On 29 July 2010 23:37, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I wanted to get an opinion on what should be the best way around this. When I detect an old version, should I create a new 'Actions' toolbar with the the run, stop (different from Activity-stop) and clear buttons[3], or

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-0.84.20

2010-07-30 Thread dsd
== Source == http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.84.20.tar.bz2 == News == * sugar-control-panel -l gives non-fatal error #2106 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] touchpad section for Sugar Control Panel

2010-07-30 Thread Paul Fox
hi walter -- looks good. the initialization code in olpc-utils until this patch makes it to all the right places. paul i'll leave the initialization code in olpc-utils walter wrote: Sorry. -u this time: --- /home/walter/Desktop/walters-sugar-clone/extensions/deviceicon/touchpad.py

Re: [Sugar-devel] Datastore index corruption!

2010-07-30 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 17:45 +0100, Gary Martin wrote: OK... Here's a horrible kludge, but I think it's less of a horrible kludge than placing a big 'click this if you think random s##t has happened' button in one of our primary UIs. Make a new control panel for such admin/maintenance

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-30 Thread Anish Mangal
I think you should revert to the original design. I agree that 'hiding' the action buttons away in a toolbar is rather unfortunate :-( , but wouldn't placing buttons as in the original layout eat up vertical space? Here are a few things to consider. 1. The original pippy layout had just the

[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Pippy layout for code storage and interaction

2010-07-30 Thread Frederick Grose
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.comwrote: I think you should revert to the original design. I agree that 'hiding' the action buttons away in a toolbar is rather unfortunate :-( , but wouldn't placing buttons as in the original layout eat up vertical

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-30 Thread Daniel Drake
On 30 July 2010 10:59, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I think you should revert to the original design. I agree that 'hiding' the action buttons away in a toolbar is rather unfortunate :-( , but wouldn't placing buttons as in the original layout eat up vertical space? No more

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-30 Thread Daniel Drake
BTW, I'm not exactly sure what kind of changes you are envisioning, but I would suggest that you keep the focus on simplicity. That's the beauty of Pippy as it is now. For more advanced development tools there have been designs and implementations of other activities in the past, such as Develop

[Sugar-devel] [Design] Deleting Activity directory when deleting Activity bundle

2010-07-30 Thread Frederick Grose
This ticket has some important discussion that was proposed for airing on the mailing list. http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2074 There are patches under review that would delete learner data, perhaps unwittingly. An Activity bundle is deleted from the Home list view bundle pallet by invoking

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-30 Thread Anish Mangal
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:58 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 30 July 2010 10:59, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I think you should revert to the original design. Sugar has little visibility of keyboard shortcuts (is there even any documentation of them?) so I think

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-30 Thread Anish Mangal
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: BTW, I'm not exactly sure what kind of changes you are envisioning, but I would suggest that you keep the focus on simplicity. That's the beauty of Pippy as it is now. Correct. I envision Pippy as a lightweight activity with

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-30 Thread Gary Martin
On 30 Jul 2010, at 20:28, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 30 July 2010 10:59, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I think you should revert to the original design. I agree that 'hiding' the action buttons away in a toolbar is rather unfortunate :-( , but wouldn't placing

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Christian Marc Schmidt
Thanks for forwarding this Gary. My feeling is that the views in home should be motivated by functional differences, for example ring vs. freeform (one allows positioning, the other positions elements linearly). To me, triangle, square, and spiral seem a little to obscure to be in the core

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
Could Activities be grouped as open-able folders(Icons with popup labels), which open with a click per the classification used by ASLO? http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/ ie: *Search Discovery *Documents *News *Chat, mail and talk ..etc ..etc Thus open-able folders (Icons)

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Christian, I do think that there are opportunities for different views, but would love to first figure out collectively what the functional differences/affordances are that we are designing for... The functional difference I'm interested in is supporting more activities; the ring

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Problem with Pippy layout on =0.84

2010-07-30 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 13:28 -0600, Daniel Drake wrote: On 30 July 2010 10:59, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I think you should revert to the original design. I agree that 'hiding' the action buttons away in a toolbar is rather unfortunate :-( , but wouldn't placing buttons

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Christian Marc Schmidt
Hi Chris--to address scalability we have a list view from which you can select favorite activities to go in the ring. This is a similar technique to the OSX dock or Windows taskbar. But you raise a good point. I've always thought that there may be an opportunity for a scalable grid view, not

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Christian, Hi Chris--to address scalability we have a list view from which you can select favorite activities to go in the ring. This is a similar technique to the OSX dock or Windows taskbar. I don't think this is working out. For OLPC (and perhaps SoaS as well?) we're shipping

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Walter Bender
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi Christian,   Hi Chris--to address scalability we have a list view from which   you can select favorite activities to go in the ring. This is a   similar technique to the OSX dock or Windows taskbar. I don't think this

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Walter, Here is a tighter spiral of 74 icons for the home view (running in the Sugar emulator at 800x600). I'll upload a version running on the XO soon as I get a chance. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/f/f0/Spiral-home-view.png Looks great! The tight spiral looks

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Sameer Verma
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi Walter,   Here is a tighter spiral of 74 icons for the home view (running   in the Sugar emulator at 800x600). I'll upload a version running   on the XO soon as I get a chance.    

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Frederick Grose
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: {...} Here is a tighter spiral of 74 icons for the home view (running in the Sugar emulator at 800x600). Running the emulator with

[Sugar-devel] Make Your Own Sugar Activities! is on Lulu

2010-07-30 Thread James Simmons
My FLOSS Manual Make Your Own Sugar Activities! made it to Lulu.com: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/make-your-own-sugar-activities/12047878 FLOSS Manuals get the profits for book sales, not me, but I thought you'd all like to know it's available. James Simmons