Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-13 Thread Martin Dluhos
On 12.1.2014 10:12, Sameer Verma wrote: Has anyone created the wiki page as yet? Just created the wiki page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team/Quest_for_Data Please help me expand it as you gather feedback from other deployments. Cheers, Martin

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-12 Thread Sameer Verma
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Martin Dluhos mar...@gnu.org wrote: On 7.1.2014 01:49, Sameer Verma wrote: On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Martin

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-12 Thread Walter Bender
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Martin Dluhos mar...@gnu.org wrote: On

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-12 Thread Dr. Gerald Ardito
Agreed. On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Sameer Verma

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-12 Thread Sameer Verma
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote:

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-11 Thread Sameer Verma
We had our January meeting at OLPCSF (and our 6th birthday). We talked about contributions to this project. Introducing Nina Stawski to the thread. She works with HTML and Javascript and is familiar with visualization. She suggested d3js.org as one of the options. Has anyone created the wiki page

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-10 Thread Martin Dluhos
On 7.1.2014 01:49, Sameer Verma wrote: On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Martin Dluhos mar...@gnu.org wrote: For visualization, I have explored using LibreOffice and SOFA, but neither of those were flexible to allow for customization of the output beyond some a few rudimentary options, so I

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-10 Thread Martin Dluhos
On 10.1.2014 11:55, Anish Mangal wrote: Sorry for being late to the party. Clearly the quest for data is a commonly shared one, with many different approaches, questions, and reporting/results. One of the already mentioned solutions is the sugar-stats package, originally developed by

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-10 Thread Martin Abente
+1 On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Martin Dluhos mar...@gnu.org wrote: On 10.1.2014 11:55, Anish Mangal wrote: Sorry for being late to the party. Clearly the quest for data is a commonly shared one, with many different approaches, questions, and reporting/results. One of the already

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-10 Thread Sameer Verma
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.comwrote: Sorry for being late to the party. Clearly the quest for data is a commonly shared one, with many different approaches, questions, and reporting/results. One of the already mentioned solutions is the sugar-stats

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-10 Thread Sameer Verma
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Martin Dluhos mar...@gnu.org wrote: On 7.1.2014 01:49, Sameer Verma wrote: On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Martin Dluhos mar...@gnu.org wrote: For visualization, I have explored using LibreOffice and SOFA, but neither of those were flexible to allow for

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-09 Thread Anish Mangal
Sorry for being late to the party. Clearly the quest for data is a commonly shared one, with many different approaches, questions, and reporting/results. One of the already mentioned solutions is the sugar-stats package, originally developed by Aleksey, which have now been part of dextrose-sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-06 Thread Martin Dluhos
On 3.1.2014 04:09, Sameer Verma wrote: Happy new year! May 2014 bring good deeds and cheer :-) Here's a blog post on the different approaches (that I know of) to data gathering across different projects. Do let me know if I missed anything. cheers, Sameer http://www.olpcsf.org/node/204

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-06 Thread Martin Dluhos
On 4.1.2014 10:44, Sameer Verma wrote: True. Activities do not report end times, or whether the frequency count is for the number of times a new activity was started, or if it was simply a resumption of the previous instance. Walter had indicated that thre is some movement in this direction

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-06 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:48 AM, Martin Dluhos mar...@gnu.org wrote: On 4.1.2014 10:44, Sameer Verma wrote: True. Activities do not report end times, or whether the frequency count is for the number of times a new activity was started, or if it was simply a resumption of the previous instance.

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-06 Thread Sameer Verma
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Andreas Gros andigro...@gmail.com wrote: Great utilization of CouchDB and its views feature! That's definitely something we can build on. But more importantly, to make this meaningful, we need more data. I like this approach as well because the aggregation is

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-06 Thread Sameer Verma
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:50 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:48 AM, Martin Dluhos mar...@gnu.org wrote: On 4.1.2014 10:44, Sameer Verma wrote: True. Activities do not report end times, or whether the frequency count is for the number of times a new

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-06 Thread Sameer Verma
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Martin Dluhos mar...@gnu.org wrote: On 3.1.2014 04:09, Sameer Verma wrote: Happy new year! May 2014 bring good deeds and cheer :-) Here's a blog post on the different approaches (that I know of) to data gathering across different projects. Do let me know if I

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-06 Thread Sameer Verma
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Martin Dluhos mar...@gnu.org wrote: On 3.1.2014 04:09, Sameer Verma wrote: Happy new year! May 2014 bring good deeds and cheer :-) Here's a blog post on the different approaches (that I know

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-06 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:50 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:48 AM, Martin Dluhos mar...@gnu.org wrote: On 4.1.2014 10:44, Sameer Verma wrote: True. Activities do not report end times,

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-06 Thread Christophe Guéret
Dear Sameer, all, That's a very interesting blog post and discussion. I agree that collecting data is important but knowing that are the questions aimed to be answered with that data is even more so. If you need help with that last bit, I could propose to use the journal data as a use-case for

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-05 Thread Andreas Gros
Great utilization of CouchDB and its views feature! That's definitely something we can build on. But more importantly, to make this meaningful, we need more data. It's good to know what the activities are that are used most, so one can come up with a priority list for improvements, and/or focus

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-03 Thread Martin Abente
Hello Sameer, I totally agree we should join efforts for a visualization solution, but, personally, my main concern is still a basic one: what are the important questions we should be asking? And how can we answer these questions reliably? Even though most of us have experience in deployments

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-03 Thread Sameer Verma
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Sameer, I totally agree we should join efforts for a visualization solution, but, personally, my main concern is still a basic one: what are the important questions we should be asking? And how can we

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-03 Thread James Cameron
Metrics can direct action. Unfortunately, in the absence of meaningful metrics, the meaningless metrics will also direct action. One of the assertions inherent in OLPC is that merely using a device can have an effect on a brain, regardless of what activities are used. In the data listed, I

Re: [Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-03 Thread Sameer Verma
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 2:23 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: Metrics can direct action. Unfortunately, in the absence of meaningful metrics, the meaningless metrics will also direct action. True. In fact, the reliability of the whole thing is dependent on the reliability of the

[Sugar-devel] The quest for data

2014-01-02 Thread Sameer Verma
Happy new year! May 2014 bring good deeds and cheer :-) Here's a blog post on the different approaches (that I know of) to data gathering across different projects. Do let me know if I missed anything. cheers, Sameer http://www.olpcsf.org/node/204 ___