Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:41:29AM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: FYI, there is a substantial difference in performance with and without compmgr when asking Read Etexts to speak and highlight a text. compmgr slows things down a lot. Thanks for the report. I've disabled xcompmgr in soasxo51. Martin pgpMuiWnQeZAS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
I noticed two more bugs: - Record does not detect the XO's camera. - Many Pippy examples do not work because of failing on import pippy Possible an include path is not being set correctly? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 04:03:15PM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: I noticed two more bugs: Thanks for the reports. If anyone has time while testing (just in case; I know most of us don't), there is a Fedora bug tracking all the open OLPC-XO-related bugs that often has known issues: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=461806 - Record does not detect the XO's camera. Thanks - known issue: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=498900 - Many Pippy examples do not work because of failing on import pippy Possible an include path is not being set correctly? Mikus reported this as well. Is there a sugarlabs bug open for this? Martin pgpaoSLjIS3PC.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
To turn soasxo51.tree.tar.lzma into an acceptable copy-nand image, I only need to do mkfs.jffs2 -n -e128KiB -r $ROOT -o $IMG.tmp sumtool -n -p -e 128KiB -i $IMG.tmp -o $IMG crcimg $IMG Correct? -- American? Vote on the National Initiative for Democracy, http://votep2.us ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 07:29:58PM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: To turn soasxo51.tree.tar.lzma into an acceptable copy-nand image, I only need to do mkfs.jffs2 -n -e128KiB -r $ROOT -o $IMG.tmp sumtool -n -p -e 128KiB -i $IMG.tmp -o $IMG crcimg $IMG Correct? Yes, but may I suggest also removing /etc/init.d/livesys* to be sure those scripts don't mess with the olpc-utils scripts' behaviour. Martin pgpVvKQp0jIFW.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:16:21AM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote:
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 08:14:12PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote:
Adventurous people can copy-nand:
http://people.sugarlabs.org/~mtd/soas-xo1/soasxo50.{img,crc}
This is quite close to usable!
* It mounts USB keys.
* Sound works.
* The font size is tolarable.
The only critical bug I found after brief testing is that sometimes the
menus get stuck on the screen. This is fairly reproducable.
I've seen this as well, and it's been due to the compositing manager,
which is now enabled. Perhaps for strawberry this is too aggressive.
To disable temporarily, you can:
killall xcompmgr
And to disable permanently, remove/comment this line from
/home/olpc/.xsession :
(sleep 5 ; xcompmgr )
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Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:10:17AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: And to disable permanently, remove/comment this line from /home/olpc/.xsession : It seems that jffs2 is a hard format to edit. mtdram refused to load with a total_size of 650M. Martin, can you provide the same image in some non-jffs2 format like compressed ext3? I'd like to make some changes like this and add some activities before I NANDblast the image out. Thanks! -- American? Vote on the National Initiative for Democracy, http://votep2.us ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
Apologies if this is a stupid question but what are the differences and advantages/disadvantages of a SoaS-on-XO-1 install versus the F11-on-XO-1 approach that some are taking? I'm quite confused about this at the moment as on first sight it seems like both efforts are trying to do exactly the same thing (making the latest Sugar run on an XO-1)... Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 03:06:05PM +0545, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Apologies if this is a stupid question but what are the differences and advantages/disadvantages of a SoaS-on-XO-1 install versus the F11-on-XO-1 approach that some are taking? They have very similar goals; the main differences in goals, AFAICS, are: 1) release schedule (SoaS-linked vs. OLPC-linked); 2) target audience (SoaS-users vs. OLPC XO-1 build users); 3) the supported desktop experiences (Sugar alone vs. Sugar and GNOME) But I'm publishing my images mainly because I can. I happen to be creating them for my own (XO-1) use, and trying to make them useful to the SoaS people and (hopefully) the F11-on-XO-1 people (in the future). I'm quite confused about this at the moment as on first sight it seems like both efforts are trying to do exactly the same thing (making the latest Sugar run on an XO-1)... They are, almost. I'm also a commiter to fedora-xo (though I haven't had time to do any SoaS or F11-on-XO-1 work lately) and an avid follower of Daniel Drake, Stephen Parrish, and others' work therein. So I hope we're not really duplicating much work, though we're duplicating some git repos and bits-on-disk :). Thanks, Christoph Martin pgp4fsDmYwRrU.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
Thanks a lot for the clarifications Martin, much appreciated. Christoph On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.comwrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 03:06:05PM +0545, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Apologies if this is a stupid question but what are the differences and advantages/disadvantages of a SoaS-on-XO-1 install versus the F11-on-XO-1 approach that some are taking? They have very similar goals; the main differences in goals, AFAICS, are: 1) release schedule (SoaS-linked vs. OLPC-linked); 2) target audience (SoaS-users vs. OLPC XO-1 build users); 3) the supported desktop experiences (Sugar alone vs. Sugar and GNOME) But I'm publishing my images mainly because I can. I happen to be creating them for my own (XO-1) use, and trying to make them useful to the SoaS people and (hopefully) the F11-on-XO-1 people (in the future). I'm quite confused about this at the moment as on first sight it seems like both efforts are trying to do exactly the same thing (making the latest Sugar run on an XO-1)... They are, almost. I'm also a commiter to fedora-xo (though I haven't had time to do any SoaS or F11-on-XO-1 work lately) and an avid follower of Daniel Drake, Stephen Parrish, and others' work therein. So I hope we're not really duplicating much work, though we're duplicating some git repos and bits-on-disk :). Thanks, Christoph Martin -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 08:14:12PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote:
http://people.sugarlabs.org/~mtd/soas-xo1/soasxo50.{img,crc}
Alt-ESC does not stop the current activity. Although the new toolbar
design will help, this is one of the few keyboard shortcuts I use
frequently.
The software update widget appears on first boot. However, it seem to be
missing from the My Settings panel. I clicked Cancel when it first
appeared. I am not sure how to invoke it now.
I tried upgrading an activity (Read Etext from 14 to 15) using the
Browser. Read Etext downloaded. A journal detail screen appeared, but I
couldn't start the new activity. When I exited the journal detail view,
I could not find the new download in the main journal listing. I checked
~olpc/Activities/ReadETexts.activity/activity/activity.info for the
version (still 14). Version 15 seems to have disappeared.
I upgraded Read Etexts using sugar-install-bundle from USB key. That
worked (according to what is in my home dir). However, the home view
still claims that I have version 14 installed. This was corrected by
restarting sugar (Ctl-Alt-Del).
Read Etexts shows the Speech tab, but I'm not sure how to get it to read
what is on the screen. I didn't try to load a book. I just want to read
the introductory text. Pressing the play button does nothing. I looked
at the log file, but I didn't find anything suspicious.
The Speak activity works, so it's not a sound problem.
Gotta go.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 02:44:12PM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:10:17AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: And to disable permanently, remove/comment this line from /home/olpc/.xsession : It seems that jffs2 is a hard format to edit. mtdram refused to load with a total_size of 650M. Martin, can you provide the same image in some non-jffs2 format like compressed ext3? Yes, soon. In the meantime, this is a compressed tar file with one sparse file in it that is a set of partitions, the one member of which is an ext3 filesystem: http://people.sugarlabs.org/~mtd/soas-xo1/soasxo50.removable.img.tar.lzma ...which is a mouthful to describe but useful to use like: cat soasxoXX.removable.tar.lzma | lzma -dc - | tar xf - -O - /dev/sdX ... in order to get a 4GB removable drive (subject to the dangers of re-partitioning said drive[1]) with a ext3 partition for booting on an XO-1. Right now one has to edit its olpc.fth appropriately so it boots from the USB/SD device one is using, but I will be rebuilding an image with a better olpc.fth soon now that I've got a key OFW tip. From that process I will get: soasxoXX.iso - iso9990 file system (for use with livecd-iso-to-disk) soasxoXX.img - for ... soasxoXX.crc - ... copy-nand'ing soasxoXX.plc - ... NANDblast'ing soasxoXX.removable.img.tar.lzma - for dd'ing to a removable device soasxoXX.tree.tar.lzma - for untarring, hacking, and re-tarring as you want to do I hope to merge the build changes necessary to soas's main git repo so we can get similar artifacts out of SoaS3 builds soon. I can do something similar for F11-on-XO-1 if that's interesting to the F11-on-XO-1 people. I'd like to make some changes like this and add some activities before I NANDblast the image out. Let me/us know how it goes. Thanks! Martin 1. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device pgpYmVYWhMKCX.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 03:31:25PM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote:
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 08:14:12PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote:
http://people.sugarlabs.org/~mtd/soas-xo1/soasxo50.{img,crc}
Alt-ESC does not stop the current activity. Although the new toolbar
design will help, this is one of the few keyboard shortcuts I use
frequently.
The new shortcut is Ctrl-Q.
The software update widget appears on first boot. However, it seem to be
missing from the My Settings panel. I clicked Cancel when it first
appeared. I am not sure how to invoke it now.
It shouldn't appear upon first boot - have to fix that. The software
updater as currently available from Fedora 11's repos doesn't make
mcuh sense, so it's not included. I've managed to fail to remove the
first boot software update notification, despite trying :).
I tried upgrading an activity (Read Etext from 14 to 15) using the
Browser. Read Etext downloaded. A journal detail screen appeared, but I
couldn't start the new activity. When I exited the journal detail view,
I could not find the new download in the main journal listing. I checked
~olpc/Activities/ReadETexts.activity/activity/activity.info for the
version (still 14). Version 15 seems to have disappeared.
Not sure what's happening there, sorry. I will keep that use case in
mind when testing, but I'd appreciate future testing against future
builds to see a) if it gets fixed; or b) what future errors are.
I upgraded Read Etexts using sugar-install-bundle from USB key. That
worked (according to what is in my home dir). However, the home view
still claims that I have version 14 installed. This was corrected by
restarting sugar (Ctl-Alt-Del).
Sounds like sugar-install-bundle and sugar-shell aren't interacting
the way one would like.
Read Etexts shows the Speech tab, but I'm not sure how to get it to read
what is on the screen. I didn't try to load a book. I just want to read
the introductory text. Pressing the play button does nothing. I looked
at the log file, but I didn't find anything suspicious.
The Speak activity works, so it's not a sound problem.
Sounds like something Read Etexts specific - not sure what it could be.
Gotta go.
Thanks for the notes.
Martin
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Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:02:31AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: From that process I will get: soasxoXX.iso - iso9990 file system (for use with livecd-iso-to-disk) soasxoXX.img - for ... soasxoXX.crc - ... copy-nand'ing soasxoXX.plc - ... NANDblast'ing soasxoXX.removable.img.tar.lzma - for dd'ing to a removable device These seem to be there already. soasxoXX.tree.tar.lzma - for untarring, hacking, and re-tarring as you want to do This is the one I want. Can you post announcements somewhere of new snapshots? -- American? Vote on the National Initiative for Democracy, http://votep2.us ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 03:53:21PM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:02:31AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: From that process I will get: soasxoXX.iso - iso9990 file system (for use with livecd-iso-to-disk) soasxoXX.img - for ... soasxoXX.crc - ... copy-nand'ing soasxoXX.plc - ... NANDblast'ing soasxoXX.removable.img.tar.lzma - for dd'ing to a removable device These seem to be there already. Yup. soasxoXX.tree.tar.lzma - for untarring, hacking, and re-tarring as you want to do This is the one I want. Can you post announcements somewhere of new snapshots? Once I've ironed out the process, sure. For now you can see the package and size deltas using the obvious *-changes.txt files, and I'll reply to this thread when I get a new build out. Martin pgpHwAbjqQ29C.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
Joshua, Before you upgrade an Activity you need to remove the existing one from the Journal. There is no way to overlay an old Activity with a new one. Activities are self contained, so this is not as traumatic as it would be with other popular desktop environments. Read Etexts only does text to speech for books, not for that bit of Help text that starts with the Groucho Marx quote. It never occurred to me that anyone would want to have text to speech with highlighting for the Help. I could add that in a future release if others are confused by that. James Simmons Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:31:25 +0530 From: Joshua N Pritikin jpriti...@pobox.com Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image To: Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 20090810100125.gc4...@localhost Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I tried upgrading an activity (Read Etext from 14 to 15) using the Browser. Read Etext downloaded. A journal detail screen appeared, but I couldn't start the new activity. When I exited the journal detail view, I could not find the new download in the main journal listing. I checked ~olpc/Activities/ReadETexts.activity/activity/activity.info for the version (still 14). Version 15 seems to have disappeared. I upgraded Read Etexts using sugar-install-bundle from USB key. That worked (according to what is in my home dir). However, the home view still claims that I have version 14 installed. This was corrected by restarting sugar (Ctl-Alt-Del). Read Etexts shows the Speech tab, but I'm not sure how to get it to read what is on the screen. I didn't try to load a book. I just want to read the introductory text. Pressing the play button does nothing. I looked at the log file, but I didn't find anything suspicious. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:15:08AM -0500, Jim Simmons wrote: Read Etexts only does text to speech for books, not for that bit of Help text that starts with the Groucho Marx quote. It never occurred to me that anyone would want to have text to speech with highlighting for the Help. I could add that in a future release if others are confused by that. Do something. Either the button should be insensitive or it should work. I found a bug in version 15. If you try to download a book and the network connection times out then the list of books becomes insensitive. Even after clicking the X and searching again, the results list remains insensitive. It would be good to add a Retry button too. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:15:08AM -0500, Jim Simmons wrote: Joshua, Before you upgrade an Activity you need to remove the existing one from the Journal. I don't think this is correct. There is no way to overlay an old Activity with a new one. Activities can be upgraded, and two (and more than one) versions of an activity can be accessible. James Simmons Martin pgpK8yALP0M1F.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
Joshua, I'll address these in 16. As for the second problem, someone found a similar issue in Get Internet Archive Books. I'll be addressing that one too. What I'll probably do is after I show the message box I'll enable the results table. A retry button would not work in this case, because some of the books in the results table have invalid addresses, for reasons that I have no good way to deal with. James Simmons On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Joshua N Pritikinjpriti...@pobox.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:15:08AM -0500, Jim Simmons wrote: Read Etexts only does text to speech for books, not for that bit of Help text that starts with the Groucho Marx quote. It never occurred to me that anyone would want to have text to speech with highlighting for the Help. I could add that in a future release if others are confused by that. Do something. Either the button should be insensitive or it should work. I found a bug in version 15. If you try to download a book and the network connection times out then the list of books becomes insensitive. Even after clicking the X and searching again, the results list remains insensitive. It would be good to add a Retry button too. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
FYI, there is a substantial difference in performance with and without compmgr when asking Read Etexts to speak and highlight a text. compmgr slows things down a lot. -- American? Vote on the National Initiative for Democracy, http://votep2.us ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image (was Re: Who's interestedin testing a new installer for SoaS?)
Is there any other way in which the XO-1 will ever be updated (in respect to Sugar) - beyond build 802? Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com To: Sebastian Dziallas s...@sugarlabs.org Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; Joshua N Pritikin jpriti...@pobox.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 3:14 PM Subject: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image (was Re: Who's interestedin testing a new installer for SoaS?) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
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On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Art Hunkinsabhun...@uncg.edu wrote: Is there any other way in which the XO-1 will ever be updated (in respect to Sugar) - beyond build 802? Future passive voice and open source together have infinite possibilities ;-) If you read http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Future_releases : OLPC is developing a Fedora 11 Remix for the XO-1.5 hardware, see [F11 for 1.5]. Community volunteers are adapting this work to create images that run on the [XO-1] hardware, see [F11 for XO-1]. These builds have been announced and discussed on the OLPC devel and Fedora-olpc mailing lists. I think one difference is these F11 builds also include a Gnome desktop as a Sugar alternative. Regards, -- =S Page ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 08:14:12PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote:
Adventurous people can copy-nand:
http://people.sugarlabs.org/~mtd/soas-xo1/soasxo50.{img,crc}
This is quite close to usable!
* It mounts USB keys.
* Sound works.
* The font size is tolarable.
The only critical bug I found after brief testing is that sometimes the
menus get stuck on the screen. This is fairly reproducable. If you allow
the full menu to appear in the home view and then move the mouse out of
the menu quickly then sometimes the menu remains stuck on the screen
indefinitely.
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