Hi Larry,
It is probably the International Association of Physics Students
I've seen references like that several places.
I don't know how to contact them.
Regards,
Edley.
Date sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:28:16 -0700
From: Larry McDavid lmcda...@lmceng.com
- Original Message -
From: Edley McKnight
To: Chris Lusby Taylor ; sund...@rrz.uni-koeln.de ;
patrick_pow...@compuserve.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 5:16 AM
Subject: Re: Would this dial work?
Hi Peter, Chris, Patrick, and all.
I agree with Chris
Dear Shadow Watchers,
This is to thank all those who responded to the 'Quick Bifilar' question, both
on and off line. I
see now that the equations such as those published by Fred Sawyer and others
are sufficient to
the purpose, needing only to be formatted to put the variables on different
Hi Peter, Chris, Patrick, and all.
I agree with Chris if the plane of the watch is positioned horizontally, but
from the patent, there is
no regard taken for positioning the watch other than to magnetic north. If the
central axis of the
watch was made parallel with the earth's axis it would
Hi Chris,
Yes, I believe so also, a rectangular or other base could use a rotatable ring
with the thread
supports attached so that the orientation could be corrected as well as making
the equiangular
dial face rotatable.
So, Joe Sundial Maker could have such a dial mounted to his/her van or
and heights. Given GPS, an
inclinometer, etc.
Maybe this is too much to hope for?
Yes, and Happy New Year also!
Edley McKnight
Dear Edley,
For a bifilar dial with 15 degreeequal angle hourly separation on
any arbitrary surface anywhere in
the world, calculation of the positions and heights
.
Is there one out there somewhere? I'm assuming the threads are parallel to the
dial surface.
Yes, and a happy New Year to all of you!
Best Wishes!
Edley McKnight
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report the problem so that apparent reliability is false.
Douglas Hunt does have some older email addresses found in the list archive of
before 2000
that still work.
Best Wishes!
Edley McKnight
In message 4adc9e04.2010...@lindisun.demon.co.uk
Tony Moss t...@lindisun.demon.co.uk
So did I til I used the Internet Exploder from Microswift. :-) Apparently the
internet explorer is
required. In my area, I found no improvement over Google Earth.
Edley.
When I go to www.bing.com I get a search engine but no maps.
Thibaud
At 14:40 30-10-2009, J. Tallman wrote:
de Vries on
this list would
know a great deal more.
I hope this helps!
Edley McKnight
I'm very interested in the Navicula de Venetiis altitude dial. In
'Transmitting Knowledge: words, images, and instruments in early modern
Europe' By Sachiko Kusukawa, Dr. Catherine Eagleton cites Ingrid
Frank, Fer, Dialists,
For the Bifilar dial with equiangular hour lines, so that a portion of the dial
face can be rotated
and set by a scale to compensate for EOT, the simplest I've found is at:
http://www.de-zonnewijzerkring.nl/eng/bif-zonw-procedure-1.htm
And is done by hand by Fer de Vries.
-zonnewijzerkring.nl
Molens
http://www.collsemolen.dse.nl
Eindhoven, Netherlands
lat. 51:30 N long. 5:30 E
- Original Message -
From: Edley McKnight
To: Frank Evans ; Sundial
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: no analemman
Hi Frank
Hi Frank, Dial friends,
If the dial is going to have adjuistments, it seems simpler and better to
simply have the dial
mounted to a hinge parallel to the earth's axis. Then, when the dial varied
from civil time by an
unacceptable amount, one could just rotate it slightly about the hinge til
Hi James, Dialists,
Not exactly the polynomials, but ICE (Interactive Computer Ephemeris) from the
Naval
Observatory originally, is still available and covers up to 2047. It is
freeware and now public
domain. It is available from a number of places. It is a DOS program and the
latest
Hi Rodney,
I finally was able to make my browser work on flickr. Yes, this would work, I
also thought of it as
on a flat surface with points or with curving ridges for intermediate time as
did Dave Bell, but,
this idea is neat also. Thanks for drawing it up!
Edley.
I made a quick POV-ray
Dear Dialists,
I agree with a number of those that have sent comments. How would one tell a
lay person how
to set up one of these shadow ridge plaques in their area??
Possibly one could have one of Dave Bell/Rodney Heil's Anemone dials attached
temporarily?
There must be some better ideas
Claude, Dialists,
Wow! Thanks Claude!
Edley
See the work of Roger Berry :
http://rogerberry.info/Sculpture/SanMateo/san-mateo-shadow-04.html
Here he has a field of shafts at the angle of incident sunlight. He
has
commented At any moment during the day one pole casts its shadow on
Hi John,
Yes, the spot is hard to see on the first image. It seems that it might be
easier to get people to
stand on the correct spot if the converging hour lines were truncated before
they converge.
Maybe also, a bright color on the correct spot
It is a neat idea though.
Edley.
Hi Joel:
Dear Dialists,
There have been a number of suggestions that it would be very difficult to make
a Shadow
Ridge Dial plaque to commemorate a specific time, date and locality. I thought
it might be also,
til this very simple way struck me.
1.0 Machine the plaque with an end mill, so that all
Rodney and others,
Well, yes, it can be thought of in that manner, but it is really just sections
of the shadow plane of
the gnomon made solid. It does not have to be the shadow of a wire or rod
gnomon, but that is
what lept to my mind due to my work with ridge dials. It could be composed of
, Edley McKnight e...@dcwisp.net
wrote:
It could be composed of the solid shadow sections of a nodus
gnomon
for that matter and be just tilted columns. I mainly thought of
this
a way to add sundials to building surfaces or tombstones without a
large protruding gnomon
Good Friends,
It is important to remember that the sea and air are now as crowded as the land
with
transportation. Much of the sea lanes are filled with automated shipping, so
that if we wander off
our course into their lanes, we will be just run over. Also, how many of us
would attempt to
Dear Sundialers,
This is just a short note to introduce the shadow ridge dial which helps to
eliminate gnomon
damage. The design will work with any type of flat surface sundial using a
virtual gnomon that is
parallel to the earth's axis, but this example shows a cross-section of a polar
Hi John,
To some extent it is marketing, to some extent supplying excellence.
An old formula:
Go where the money is.
Learn what the money wants
Learn to make that( hopefully in a way hard to duplicate, or in a small niche
of your own.
Let the money know you've got it.
Sell it to them ,
Hi Thomas,
I've tried 3 browsers and two computers and all I get at your link is a blank
Picassa page, ie. no picture.
Can you describe the type, materials you have in mind?
Edley.
Hi,
I will hold a half-day project with students next Monday. The
first
60min we will try to understand what
Hi Again,
Yes, I finally see the sundial you mention.
I think I would suggest making an universal ring dial since it would be usable
just about anywhere.
A link to making one from cardboard is here:
http://leewm.freeshell.org/origami/ringdial.pdf
Another link to making one using an embroidery
Thanks Bob, We are happy to hear of your progress. Please continue to let
us know how it goes.
Edley.
Greetings again to my sundial friends. This is to update you on the
quilt square sundial we are making in Burnsville, North Carolina, as
I
had mentioned in an earlier posting. That earlier
Dear John et al,
Wow, you Do have some gorgeous sundials there! Thanks for making them
available for viewing!
Best Wishes,
Edley.
Hi Friends:
I have posted photographs of my best sundials at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jlcarmichael/
(because my business website webmaster has been sick
Dear Sundialers,
With all the academic advances in resolving 3D point clouds by
analyzing calibrated multiple digital images, using each pixel as a
uniformly spaced color and direction spacial sample, is there anyone
using this technology to design Sundials using existing shadow
creating
Thanks Tony,
I have captured it and made copies for all my family so that we could watch
it as often as we like and not tie up the net. Wonderful indeed!
Edley.
Fellow shadowWatchers.
The following link has
nothing
whatsover to do with sundials but it
Hi Peter and all,
The following are some of my impressions on the changes in patent policies
over some period of years.
1. Patents are now written with claimed items over a broad set of areas, with
the fiurther stipulation that all of the claims not thrown out in court
continue to
stand.
Brent and all,
For those that might not know, the archive of this list is
at http://www.mail-archive.com/sundial@uni-koeln.de/
There have been a lot of good discussions on many subjects.
Best Wishes!
Edley McKnight
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that the outer
tubes might not be fully dark, but they should be darker and all evenly lit.
One could just mount this assembly on a theodolite base in order to check
it out. Good Luck! Let us know how it goes!
Best Wishes!
Edley McKnight
Hello;
Existing Sundials are pretty much worthless
to be discovered
and enjoyed in this area.
Best Wishes!
Edley McKnight
Maybe the important questions are-
Is the sun in a unique position ...every day of the year?
every minute of the year?
every second of the year?
If the answer is yes, I think I can make the perfect sundial
Since Dialists are first in history, the sundial is useful for years at a time,
shouldn't it be a Decade of Sundials, where other astronomical events are
assigned only a yearly time interval? If not, then at least the full cycle of
four
years should be chosen. Especially since all solar
and others on the list.
Keep us informed if you would please.
Edley McKnight.
Date sent: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:46:52 -0500
From: Bob Hampton sundi...@cydev.com
To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Subject:Thunderstruck sundials
Thunderstruck greetings to all on this list!
My name is Bob
Dear Mac and All,
Have you given any thought to coloring the concrete? Or using one of those
extremly white top-coats? Are you casting it upside down? Let us know how
it goes.
Best Wishes,
Edley.
On 26 Apr 2008 at 6:01, Mac Oglesby wrote:
Date sent: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:01:45
Hi Mac and other dialists,
There are so many Stainless steels, some of which will degrade in various
climates and locations, Fine here, but down the coast 25 miles it has
problems sort of thing. Coloring some stainless works well, others not.
Those Stainless that include Chromium can be
Yay Tony!
This is close to the process I used. Worked for me.
Thanks!
Edley.
On 25 Apr 2008 at 12:34, Tony Moss wrote:
Date sent: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:34:40 +0100
From: Tony Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Sundial Mailing List sundial@uni-koeln.de
Dear Fer, Despina, Peter, dialists,
Yes, an array of dials for different Latitudes, perhaps for different
dates as
well, would be a great idea!
Perhaps your own Shadow Plane dials from the article in December, 1999 of
the NASS Compendium:
Shadow Plane Sundials - II
Maddux, Oglesby deVries
Hi Despina,
The NASS Compendium Article was harder to find than I thought. It is
Light As Shadow - Sundials Without Gnomons
By Mario Catamo Cesare Lucarini
Volume 6 No. 3 September 1999
On 18 Apr 2008 at 13:38, Edley McKnight wrote:
From: Edley McKnight [EMAIL PROTECTED
Despina and dialists,
Another flat fabric dial, and this one printable, would be based on a Shadow
Plane design. If screen printed with thick ink, lines radiating outward, the
line that cast the minimum shadow would be the nearest angle. Again this is
an Azimuth indicator, but could be done
Hi Despina,
Of Course. There are many possible designs workable in fabric that don't
have something sticking up from the surface. The type that strikes me first is
one extropolated from one made on an old CD where the spiral markings
show light direction and can be made easily into an
!
Edley McKnight
PS. John, I decided to let the list know.
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Hi Hendrik, fellow sun movement observers,
It can be said, not too far off, that all solar shadows of static objects
falling on
any other static objects, including buildings, ARE sundials! They just need to
be properly marked for date and time, if they haven't been already. With
modern
Dear Art and sundialers all,
What a wonderful idea!
I'd like to suggest a type of sundial for those folks that:
a: don't own the building they are in.
b: don't have access to the outside of the building
c: have no sunlight coming through or hitting a window or opening.
It is the Scenic Shadow
Roger Bailey, John Carmichael, and all
Thanks for the great heads up on Microsoft Vista. It is great to hear that
some of my favorite Sundial programs would still work. Sorry to hear about
the hardware problems though. We've accumulated so many older pieces of
specialized equipment that would
Thanks Peter!
This looks like one of the ways I will go.
Best Wishes,
Edley
Dear Edley,
Another try at attaching the thumbnail.
best wishes,
Peter
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anymore.
If you want some, let me know off line and I'll send it to you.
John
p.s. The backlight film has a smooth side and a rough side. You should print
on the rough side.
_
From: Edley McKnight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:27 PM
Hi John,
Thanks for the References!
Related to SGS are there any references that you've run into on using
Window Tint Film or Static Cling Film for making Stained Glasslike
Sundials?? I have been interested in both cut out pieces type designs and
print on a sheet and stick it up designs The
Hello Mashallah,
I agree with your desire to have Architects with Sundial experience and
interest to build great buildings with sundials an integrated design element.
This would be the ideal case, of course. Some other buildings could still
have sundials added to them, possibly by the same
Dear All,
I meant monofilar designs not monofiliment designs Like single edges
and points. A representative article is in NASS Compendium 5-3 by Gianni
Ferrari, included in that issue was a copy of Gianni's Sund98P program that
can calculate them. (I seem to be confusing fishing with
Greetings All,
Although this is a very great idea, I'd take it further.
Using the wonderful concepts, equations and software for monofiliment
designs by Fer deVries and Gianni Ferrari among others, many of the
shadowing and shadowed surfaces and edges can be incorporated into
beautiful
Hi All,
Instead of requiring an architect, all complexes of building, indeed, all
outdoor scenes involve shadows that can be fairly easily incorporated into
solar time keeping purposes. Some of this can be just fun and perhaps
temporary, but some could incorporate permanent markings.
The basis
Dear Frank and All,
Your observations are very good, the number of adults and children that can
properly use even a ruler seems small. Your using a vertical pole as a
gnomon is worthwhile. A knowledgeable and able person could establish a
dial center offset toward the equator in such a way
Hi Tony,
Yes, you are correct, some clay is the key to it. There are sandcastle
competitions every year here in Oregon at Cannon Beach. Every
sandcastler I've observed brings in buckets and tubs with a fair amount of
clay smearing on them. Just a few percent seems to do the job. Spraying
also
perpendicular to the 12 O'clock line, the other hour lines can be sighted out
in 15 degree steps, by eye or by string or laser at night.
It is more likely that the dish is an 18 inch diameter parabola, but who
knows?
Hope this helps!
Edley McKnight
Greetings all,
Several months ago I
Hi Dialmakers,
A simple pair of pivots allows adjusting a dial for Longitude, EOT and
daylight savings differences.
In this case we are talking about a horizontal dial with the standard gnomon
replaced by a Virtual Gnomon, that is a vertical pin that, measured from dial
center, subtends the
Hello Franks and all,
I assume we are to neglect altitude differences and use the fictional
spherical earth model, but just what do we mean by 'the same time'? I
would assume that when two or more persons look at their watches,
corrected for standard zone time, that they read the same
to show the time in other time zones as well. An
horizontal dial rotated a few hours and renumbered lets the rain and leaves
run off better.
What other uses do polar axis rotated dials have?
Enjoy the Light!
Edley McKnight
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Hi Dave and all,
Yes Dave, I think Equatorial Exposure and Polar Exposure might be the
correct terms that would work in either hemisphere.
Thanks,
Edley.
Edley McKnight wrote:
Dear Dialers,
I keep making the assumption that a nice room that gets a lot of sun
mid day has a Southern
Hi Peter,
Your small jpgs came through fine. There seem to be a number of Poncet
patents with curved surfaces, to answer other questions. This embodyment
seems sturdier and less likely to shift. It appears to be an indoor dial,
through a south window, yes. It looks really good! I wish I
that is acceptable.
Thanks!
Edley McKnight
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Hi Roger,
Yes, Now that the concept finally comes fully in to mind, this is a great idea!
As you say only about 4 degrees of rotation, a small width of incllined plane
for the two sliding contacts, would do it for just EOT correction. Quite
compactly too. To handle both Longitude and EOT
, but what can you do if you are a working
person? Anyhow, any large collection of sundials could possibly be mounted
on a rigid platform rotatable about an axis parallel to the earth's and all
could
be corrected for EOT in one movement! Whe!
Enjoy the Light!
Edley McKnight
Hi Simon,
Ahhh! Thanks much for the information! So, nearly any sundial, if
competently made can be used nearly anywhere on earth, if oriented
properly. That is good to hear.
Thanks again!
Edley McKnight.
not only altitude dials, but azimuth dials also. I
have a chapter in Illustrating
for controlling the base tilt in a sundial of this general type,
during the course of a year. So far, no luck. It may be easier to go
ahead and make one empirically.
-- Roger
From Edley McKnight:
A true equatorial mount is truly fine if you have one
Hi Folks, just a short note on hinging in latitude/EOT corrections.
I tend to think of the hinge as one side of a parallelogram with the gnomon as
the opposite side. The parallelogram extending down through the dial plate
and base. When any set of parallel lines is rotated around one of them,
by their cords. Has anyone else observed this?
I still like Hendrik Hollander's cone gnomon design the best currently.
Enjoy the Light!
Edley McKnight
Duane,
In addition to all the other comments, I'd like to mention this
possibility:
An ordinary garden sundial with triangular gnomon is usually
Hi John and All,
Here is a pdf file that seems pretty close to what I was taught.
http://www.buildingconservation.com/articles/pdf_decorat/decorat.pdf
Enjoy the Light!
Edley.
Hello All:
While researching wall sundials, I have come across a few sundials
that seem to be made of sculpted 3
Dear Frank, Gianni, Robert, Bill and all,
It seems that there is much interest in directly solving the multibody Kepler's
law for at least
those objects in our solar system. This is working from near basic principles
rather than
developing perturbations to curve fitting polynomial circular
Thibaud, Larry, Mac, and all,
I've tried an experiment using some quite white drafting film and laser
printing. I converted
the sundial file to a bitmap and then filled all the white area with a light
grey. This way there
is a fairly uniform layer of ink all over the sheet and the shadow of
in it's ornamental purpose, not
functionally as a
sundial. Being addicted to sundials, my first thought when I see something is
how would
that work as a sundial? I apologize for getting carried away!
Enjoy the Light!
Edley McKnight
Hello Friends,
The Summer 2007 issue of Vermont Life
Dear Gianni,
Thank you so much for your help over the years! This last NASS Compendium with
the
reflected dial with a shadow rod really helps. I've a wall with a full expanse
but with a narrow
walkway next to it, so that a normal sundial wouldn't work, likewise as it is
often in full
Hi Carl, Mac and all,
Whatever material is used cannot have any coating over the printing, nor any
ink sticking up,
nor any printing impressions as they all disturb the shadow line a lot at such
oblique edges. It
must also be very smooth, of a uniform thickness, quite opaque and very bright,
Hi Mac,
Tyvek seems to work OK. It is hard to print on, requires special inks. One of
the big
problems I've found with the cylinder dials using the edges for gnomons is
expansion with
temperature changes. i.e. the paper gets loose. I made a slit in a cylinder,
pulled the paper
through
Hello Mac,
The Patent for Porter's reflecting telescope is available directly from the
patent office's online
site at a huge long url, which is too long to type in or put on a single line.
You can just go to:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html
and search for telescope in
Patent with the search Porter Telescope
Best Wishes!
Edley McKnight.
Hello Friends,
The Summer 2007 issue of Vermont Life magazine contains a nice
article on Stellafane, a convention of amateur telescope makers which
convenes each summer in Vermont, USA.
Prominent among its founders
Hi Gianni,
Yes, I believe time to sunset is a great type of dial usage. As you say,
watches don't do it. Some types of aircraft are required to be on the ground
a certain time before sunset and certain airports have sundials for that
purpose. I just enjoy it as it gives me a good idea of how
, or to be fully visible from a particular location ( Like
the
bell ringer or the administration offices. ) sounds really cool!
Thanks again,
Edley McKnight
Dear Frank (Evans),
I don't agree completely on your conclusions :-)
In http://books.google.com it is possible to download the book
John
Carl,
I've been looking at what may be a simple solution. A metric Framing
Square, A Plumb Bob, One of those Cheap Laser Levelers that put out a
Line rather than a spot on a surface. For instance the leveler shining from
500 mm on the short arm of the square to the other arm of the square
(NASS) and have learned such a tremendous amount from the archive of
quarterly compendiums, known as the Repository that I gladly
recommend it.
When your questions get much more specific, I'm sure you will get many
responses from members of this list.
Sincerely,
Edley McKnight
Hello all,
I
!
Edley McKnight.
I've had some questions about the Soda Can Dial and how to read it.
Here's a diagram taken at
3pm local time, 7 Nov 2006, which may help. The current time is read
at the intersection of the
vertical line corresponding to 7 Nov and the shadow cast by the top
of the dial
pages much like those of Google Image
Sorry for this offsubject note, but it seemed called for.
Edley McKnight
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on one set, PM hours on a separate set which
would allow one color printing as well as reduce the clutter in winter months,
sounds neat too! Yes, I'd like to try your java version as I run a number of
operating systems.
Thanks much!
Edley McKnight
From: Roger Bailey [EMAIL
if necessary?
Disregard my earlier note.
Thanks!
Edley McKnight
Date sent: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:07:38 -0400
From: Lufkin, Brad \(Mission Systems\) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Sundial Mailing List sundial@uni-koeln.de
Subject:Portable Dial Adjusted for EOT and DST
Here's what I call a Soda
be a great addition to
festivals out in flatlander country, but I never go there. :-)
Floating altitude dials seem to be fairly popular.
Have fun!
Edley McKnight
Date sent: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:36:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gerard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Sundial List sundial@rrz.uni
for sharing!
Edley McKnight
From: Phil Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Sundial List sundial@uni-koeln.de
Date sent: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:13:39 +0100
Subject:Virtual sundial and Google Sketchup
Hi Sundiallists,
Those who followed my experiments with Virtual Sundials and Google
as yet, I downloaded Scilab, which is
also free, but I've not looked into it very far yet. I may download Octave as
well. ( I love freeware that does great work! ) Things are looking up!
Thanks for the info and offer of help!
Edley McKnight
From: Analemma Zonnewijzers [EMAIL PROTECTED
Hi John,
Yep, you got it, exactly! I don't know of a better way.
Edley McKnight
From: John Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Sundial List sundial@uni-koeln.de
Date sent: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 07:48:36 -0700
Subject:Cone Nodus Design Improvements
Hi Listers:
I think that I
Test
Edley
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site, I
will probably put them up on that site as well.
Thanks,
Edley McKnight
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Hi,
Thanks much! I'd moved the latitude ring inside for a plastic
needlework hoop sundial, but hadn't reached the neat card
construction you've achieved.
Perhaps if it were printed on a stiff but flexible plastic, like the plastic
that hinges are made from, it could be used a 1000 times or
magnets, but Alnico can be plated.
You might still want to have some silicone or polyurethane in the
sandwich to protect the glass. Someone might like to go through the
magnetic equations to optimise the structure against extreme wind
conditions, etc.
Hope this helps!
Edley McKnight
Ancient
Hi Again Michael,
Here is one reference to making a Universal Ring Dial. It is on
Karen Robinson's web site and uses a wooden embroidery hoop to
make it. http://www.angelfire.com/my/zelime/howto.html#hoop
On the same page she has her version of doing a similar thing with
just her fingers.
, etc. It is kind of fun to design
something that looks different, yet works well.
Edley McKnight
Ancient in Oregon
From: michael Alexander [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: sundial@rrz.uni-koeln.de
Subject:Any references on making a universal ring dial
Hi John,
If you had a hundred or so of these dials to reverse engineer, writing
a program might be the best way. With 'one of' doing the hunt and fit
method like your doing makes much more sense. Just keep
changing latitude then longitude in small steps til the lines all fit fairly
well.
Hi Mac,
When things like this happen to me it is usually a routing problem.
Trace the route and if necessary work through an intermediate link or
a mirror, anything to force a different route. This usually clears up
the transmission for me.
Enjoy the Light!
Edley McKnight
-
Thank you, Thank you!
Edley
Date sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:44:52 +0100
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To: sundial@rrz.uni-koeln.de
Subject:sundial list operation: reply style changed!
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Hi Tony and all,
Back in my youth, a church I attended was very proud of an ancient
stained glass window that they had obtained from an old church in
Europe. They were continually soliciting funds to replace various bits
and pieces of the glass because they had faded! Some in only 3
year
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