Re: Calculating azimuth of sunrise and sunset from present back 25, 000 years

2012-06-26 Thread Brad Lufkin
Dear John: attached is the table you've asked for. It includes the astronomical year, the month, day, and time of the event, and azimuth (in degrees) of sunrise and sunset. Azimuth is measured from North towards East (so North = 0 degrees, East = 90, South = 180, West = 270). The table is based on

RE: Calculating azimuth of sunrise and sunset from present back 25, 000 years

2012-06-26 Thread Roger W. Sinnott
, June 26, 2012 3:25 PM To: John Pickard; Sundial Mailing List; Roger Bailey Subject: Re: Calculating azimuth of sunrise and sunset from present back 25, 000 years Dear John: attached is the table you've asked for. It includes the astronomical year, the month, day, and time of the event, and azimuth

Re: Calculating azimuth of sunrise and sunset from present back 25, 000 years

2012-06-25 Thread Roger Bailey
Hello David, I recognized my error in the middle of the night, long after pressing the send button. 150 m is still locally significant. Over millions of years these forces move mountains and continents. Regards, Roger -- From: David Patte ?

Re: Calculating azimuth of sunrise and sunset from present back 25, 000 years

2012-06-24 Thread Roger Bailey
Hello Frank and all, You raise an interesting point . At first I thought that we should not confuse human time, 25,000 years with geological time, 25 million years. Then I reconsidered. We tend to think in terms of the Rock of Ages, solid enduring and unmoving, not considering the geological

Re: Calculating azimuth of sunrise and sunset from present back 25, 000 years

2012-06-24 Thread David Patte ₯
If I'm not mistaken: 25,000 x 6 mm = 150,000 mm = 150m, not 1500m Did you mean cm? On 2012-06-25 0:11, Roger Bailey wrote: At this time I am moving 6 mm per year towards the east, as determined by precise GPS and laser surveys. Over 25,000 years this movement is a mile, 1.5 km and a lot of

Re: Calculating azimuth of sunrise and sunset from present back 25, 000 years

2012-06-23 Thread Brad Lufkin
Dear John: I may be able to help. I can write a custom program that would generate the data you are asking for. There is a glitch, however, and that is the accuracy of the models to be used over such a long period of time. In particular, I would use the following models: (a) VSOP87D for the

Re: Calculating azimuth of sunrise and sunset from present back 25, 000 years

2012-06-21 Thread Kevin Karney
To get a small indication of the variation that occurs over long periods of time, you could try the excellent, easy to use and free Horizons program from JPL-NASA. It will take you back to 3000 BC. That's a step on the way to 25000 years. The program has a good web interface. Just google JPL

Calculating azimuth of sunrise and sunset from present back 25, 000 years

2012-06-20 Thread John Pickard
Good evening on a chilly Winter Solstice in Sydney, As part of my research on fences, I need to calculate the azimuth of sunrise and sunset back to 25,000 y ago. The question arises from the disputed origins of some dry stone walls found in southern New South Wales. A local historian has