Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-14 Thread Paul Mansfield
Chuck Mariotti wrote: Thanks… I am going to follow up with AllStream. The bytes/sec are the Max and Average. I think their reporting system is broken. RRD reported 1.5Mb/s, it was just a table top sitting there until we cancelled the windows updates. Then it dropped right back down. have

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-14 Thread Bill Marquette
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Scott Ullrich sullr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Chris Buechler c...@pfsense.org wrote: Slowing down considerably when under full load is normal, slowing to the point that sites don't load anymore when you're just running a few Windows

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-14 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
Bill he USED to have 2 bonded T1's but they reduced to a single T1 connection to save money. -Sean EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 07:09:33 -0500 From: bill.marque...@gmail.com To: support@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-14 Thread Bill Marquette
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Sean Cavanaugh millenia2...@hotmail.com wrote: Bill he USED to have 2 bonded T1's but they reduced to a single T1 connection to save money. -Sean Yes, I'm referring to the old circuit intentionally. I didn't get bonded out of The current connection is

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-14 Thread Bill Marquette
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Bill Marquette bill.marque...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Sean Cavanaugh millenia2...@hotmail.com wrote: Bill he USED to have 2 bonded T1's but they reduced to a single T1 connection to save money. -Sean Yes, I'm referring to the old

[pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chuck Mariotti
To clarify further... In this situation, we are downgrading to a T1 (1.5Mbit/1.5Mbit) connection from a new service provider. The current connection is 3Mbit/3Mbit, works, but is insanely expensive (way more than twice the price). Locked into a service agreement. Switching will basically save

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
I would suggest placing in a bandwidth shaper. There are some open source alternatives out there - just do some research as to what will fit best for you - ie - do you know freebsd / linux / or stuck in windows ? I would suggest the shaping to be done per protocol. You may also want to place

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Jeppe Øland
During this new firewall installation, someone decided to run Windows Updates on a four computers. Previously, this would not have choked the network, but with the new firewall (and new T1), it is choking it. Choking it dead. The four machines appear to contend for connectivity but after a

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chuck Mariotti
To: support@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? During this new firewall installation, someone decided to run Windows Updates on a four computers. Previously, this would not have choked the network, but with the new firewall

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chuck Mariotti
...@typo3usa.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:58 AM To: support@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? I would suggest placing in a bandwidth shaper. There are some open source alternatives out there - just do some research

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Victor Padro
). Regards, ChuckM -Original Message- From: Glenn Kelley [mailto:gl...@typo3usa.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:58 AM To: support@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? I would suggest placing in a bandwidth

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Paul Mansfield
put in a big squid proxy with a large disk cache, and or set up windows clients to auto-download updates during the night so at least congestion happens outside critical times if you're using managed switches, can you throttle back individual ports? otherwise, traffic shaping may be your friend

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Rainer Duffner
Rob Pickerill schrieb: havent been following this one, so dont know if its been mentioned before, but have you looked at WSUS? http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/wsus/default.aspx let that collect the updates - preferably overnight - and distribute them to your workstations/servers He's

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
, 13 May 2009 03:43:31 -0400 Subject: RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? It did not happen with the other connection. But the previous firewall didn’t allow me to look at nice graphs and see it maxing out, etc… It just worked

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chuck Mariotti
Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? put in a big squid proxy with a large disk cache, and or set up windows clients to auto-download updates during the night so at least congestion happens outside critical times if you're using managed switches, can you throttle back

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Michael Riglin
, and only testing and verification will the root cause to light. -Original Message- From: Chuck Mariotti [mailto:cmario...@xunity.com] Sent: May-13-09 8:20 AM To: support@pfsense.com Subject: RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? Thanks everyone

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chuck Mariotti
: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:32 AM To: support@pfsense.com Subject: RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? Normally, the packages sent out from the Windows Update service are quite small in size and the BITS service helps to stream these at a reasonable rate

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chris Buechler
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Chuck Mariotti cmario...@xunity.com wrote: To clarify further... In this situation, we are downgrading to a T1 (1.5Mbit/1.5Mbit) connection from a new service provider. The current connection is 3Mbit/3Mbit, works, but is insanely expensive (way more than

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread RB
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 09:53, Chuck Mariotti cmario...@xunity.com wrote: I used cheapo DLink 10/100 Network cards to build the server. But I'm doubting that would be the cause. The only other oddity is that I threw a little DLink 8 Port Gigabit Switch between the router and firewall, simply

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Scott Ullrich
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Chris Buechler c...@pfsense.org wrote: Slowing down considerably when under full load is normal, slowing to the point that sites don't load anymore when you're just running a few Windows updates is definitely not. Sounds like there's something wrong with the

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:57:32 -0600 From: aoz@gmail.com To: support@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 09:53, Chuck Mariotti cmario...@xunity.com wrote: I used cheapo DLink 10/100

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Jeppe Øland
It should just get slower and divide the bandwidth evenly since there are no rules to shape it. Thats basically what should happen. Of course things get all out of whack when the connection isn't symmetric (like most consumer connections). On those, you will see severe degradation in speed on

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chuck Mariotti
: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Chuck Mariotti cmario...@xunity.com wrote: To clarify further... In this situation, we are downgrading to a T1 (1.5Mbit/1.5Mbit) connection from a new service provider

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
WHY would you want to shape your downstream channel? that kind of defeats the purpose of having the bandwidth there in the firstplace. -Sean Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:21:39 -0700 From: jol...@gmail.com To: support@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chuck Mariotti
Sorry, those pairs are Max / Average number to clarify. -Original Message- From: Chuck Mariotti [mailto:cmario...@xunity.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:31 PM To: support@pfsense.com Subject: RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? Great

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Jeppe Øland
WHY would you want to shape your downstream channel? that kind of defeats the purpose of having the bandwidth there in the firstplace. For example if you have a fast connection to a building, and it is being shared between tenants. Without restricting the downstream, user A can severely impact

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread David Rees
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Chris Buechler c...@pfsense.org wrote: Slowing down considerably when under full load is normal, slowing to the point that sites don't load anymore when you're just running a few Windows updates is definitely not. Sounds like there's something wrong with the

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chuck Mariotti
[mailto:jol...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:39 PM To: support@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? WHY would you want to shape your downstream channel? that kind of defeats the purpose of having the bandwidth