Nathan Cheng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, that was interesting how a private message that I'd written to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] was answered by Appal Energy with a BCC line to
biofuel@yahoogroups.com (not CC, as the excerpt below suggest). Will the
reply I sent to Appal Energy mysteriously show up
Thankyou for that Tilly. That's a lot better that wandering lost and
wan through the murky mazes of Maui seeking summat that might not
even be there.
A few comments though. Well, a bit more than a few comments. And not
directed at you, for the most part - you is meant generally. Your
first
Sigh... Yawn - z
(I didn't get sent this, by the way, I picked it up off the
vegoil-diesel list.)
Keith
(List owner)
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http://enn.com/news/wire-stories/2002/03/03122002/ap_46651.asp
- 3/12/2002 - ENN.com
The hybrids are coming
Tuesday, March 12, 2002
By Ann M. Job, Associated Press
Get ready for the new wave. More vehicles powered by gasoline engines
linked to electric motors will arrive quickly in the coming
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:14:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: [biofuel] Fw: HempCar Rag...
Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Mr. Cheng,
Appal Energy's correspondence to you relative to your tear on
To: Biofuel-JTF biofuel@yahoogroups.com
From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:58:01 -0800
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: HempCar Rag...
Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Canadian Company Will Sue to Prove Hemp is Not Pot
CHATHAM, Ontario, Canada, January 14, 2002
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
From: Kris Book [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:03:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: HempCar Rag...
Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Todd,
You make a very good point, there are more than a thousand
different ways that hemp can help mankind and
To: Nathan Cheng [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:16:50 -0500
Subject: [biofuel] Re: HempCar Rag...
Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Yes Mr. Cheng,
Industrial hemp is legal in numerous nation states. The Brits are on their
way,
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:21:13 -0500
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] Market research
Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Mr. Cheng,
The market reality is that biodiesel is
To: Biofuel-JTF biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:58:00 -0800
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] Market research
Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Exactly.
IMO, Hemp oil is too expensive and far too nutritious to burn in engines -
better to eat it than burn it, and get
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:08:10 -0600
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] Market research
Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 09:58:00AM -0800, Neoteric Biofuels Inc. wrote:
Exactly.
IMO, Hemp
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sigh... Yawn - z
(I didn't get sent this, by the way, I picked it up off the
vegoil-diesel list.)
Keith
(List owner)
Congratulations! You beat me to a notice from Yahoo! This is the
first I'd heard of this notice.
After looking through the HempCar website, I did not
see anything that advocated the legalization of
marijuana, or that linked hemp and marijuana, so I
don't know what prompted Nathan's original
concerns(for the record, I did not see Nathan's
original post which started this whole line).
Yet, as
Thank you, Thor. My original message to HempCar that got this whole thing
going is below. Please forgive me that it is a little harsh. The part of the
HempCar website that I was upset about was the Hemp Quick Facts page. It
does not directly preach legalizing marijuana, but its intentions are
Thank you, Thor. My original message to HempCar that got this whole thing
going is below. Please forgive me that it is a little harsh. The part of the
HempCar website that I was upset about was the Hemp Quick Facts page. It
does not directly preach legalizing marijuana, but its intentions are
I had sent several posts to biofuels instead of biofuels-biz; I am not a
member of biofuels, so those messages got returned and I mistakenly thought
I'd been kicked out of biofuels-biz.
Nathan
-Original Message-
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 12,
No Mr. Cheng.
Industrial hemp is already accepted in the market by the vast majority of
informed consumers - so much so that it is one of the fastest growing green
markets on the planet today.
What you attempt to do is prey upon emotions and impulse in order to obtain
un-informed support for
Nathan Cheng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, that was interesting how a private message that I'd written to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] was answered by Appal Energy with a BCC line to
biofuel@yahoogroups.com (not CC, as the excerpt below suggest). Will the
reply I sent to Appal Energy mysteriously show up
Thankyou for that Tilly. That's a lot better that wandering lost and
wan through the murky mazes of Maui seeking summat that might not
even be there.
A few comments though. Well, a bit more than a few comments. And not
directed at you, for the most part - you is meant generally. Your
first
Hello Todd
Okay...It's time for some people on this thread to get real.
Otherwise, it's simply a waste of time and other's energies.
Detroit is not prepared to do what is necessary to improve vehicle
efficiency nor safety.
HyperCar does both.
http://www.hypercar.com/pages/how21.html
What
To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
From: Nathan Cheng [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:29:13 -0800
Subject: [biofuels-biz] FW: HempCar Rag...
Reply-To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
I'll forward it myself.
-Original Message-
From: Nathan Cheng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
From: Nathan Cheng [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:40:23 -0800
Subject: [biofuels-biz] Market research
Reply-To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
A little bit of free market research for all you commercial biofuels
producers out there:
If I were a
Sigh... Yawn - z
(I didn't get sent this, by the way, I picked it up off the
vegoil-diesel list.)
Keith
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Todd,
You make a very good point, there are more than a thousand
different ways that hemp can help mankind and only one
reason to ban it. If we used the same formula to decide if
any other plant has a place in society, this planet would
be mostly desert. Hemp can very likely change our economy
Mr. Cheng,
Appal Energy's correspondence to you relative to your tear on HempCar was
forwarded to Biofuels only after your rag popped up on the Biofuels list, a
forward from the Biofuels-Biz list.
It seemed only prudent to offer a first response based upon our personal
involvement with the
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Keith,
I believe the latter of your observations is perhaps the most poignant.
The political favor at this juncture in US history is swinging towards
biodiesel's clean combustion, the diesel engines' fuel economy and
hybridization.
All the efforts of the last 10-15 years in these areas are
Mr. Cheng,
The market reality is that biodiesel is perceived to be a product of
vegetable oil and animal fats. In general, very few persons ever contemplate
hemp seed oil as a feedstock.
However, when the occassion does arise, it is usually accompanied by great
amusement and amazement, as it
http://enn.com/news/wire-stories/2002/03/03122002/ap_46651.asp
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The hybrids are coming
Tuesday, March 12, 2002
By Ann M. Job, Associated Press
Get ready for the new wave. More vehicles powered by gasoline engines
linked to electric motors will arrive quickly in the coming
Thanks Keith...!
Superb read.
Todd Swearingen
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:19 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel hybrid hypercar gets 80mpg
Three-part story, first two parts
Yes Mr. Cheng,
Industrial hemp is legal in numerous nation states. The Brits are on their
way, with the US performing its ritualistic lag dance.
Here, there is an ongoing effort to overcome the tyranny of mis- and
dis-information that has been propagated for 70 years.
Oddly enough, common
On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 12:06:41PM -0500, Appal Energy wrote:
Keith,
As for hybrids, Detroit is already several years behind foreign
manufacturers.
In my not so always humble opinion, the only path that will put Detroit back
in the running with foreign competition is if they scrap
Canadian Company Will Sue to Prove Hemp is Not Pot
CHATHAM, Ontario, Canada, January 14, 2002 (ENS) - Kenex, Ltd., a Canadian
agricultural firm that grows and processes hemp oil, seed and fiber products
in Canada for distribution throughout the United States, has filed a notice
of intent to sue
I can help but wonder how much less expensive Hemp oil would be if the
farmers of the U.S.A. were alowed to lawfully grow hemp?
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc.
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:58
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] Market research
They'll only keep building them if people keep buying them.
We get the automobiles we deserve
Edward Beggs
www.biofuels.ca
on 3/12/02 10:52 AM, Harmon Seaver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 12:06:41PM -0500, Appal Energy wrote:
Keith,
As for hybrids, Detroit is
On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 11:00:48AM -0800, Neoteric Biofuels Inc. wrote:
They'll only keep building them if people keep buying them.
We get the automobiles we deserve
Yes, but the problem is that people will keep buying them, because the new
hi-tech diesels won't get
imported. That's
On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 09:58:00AM -0800, Neoteric Biofuels Inc. wrote:
Exactly.
IMO, Hemp oil is too expensive and far too nutritious to burn in engines -
better to eat it than burn it, and get the biofuel feedstock elsewhere from
other oils, animal fats that are less useful as food.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 01:09:40PM -0500, Appal Energy wrote:
Thanks Keith...!
Superb read.
Yes, that's pretty neat, eh? I'm a bit surprised at the complex
transmission tho, but I suppose they
wanted maximum performance. Seems like a better way would be pure electric
drive, and the
Like I said, you get the automobiles you deserve. If people are suckers for
slick TV ads selling them crap, no use blaming the companies for doing what
is easiest and most profitable for them in the quarter-to-quarter world of
satisfying shareholders demands for short term profits.
I was going
You can grow rapeseed organically, and also some other oilseeds can be
grown along with other crops like peas and wheat, in the same field, at the
same time, and get that crop, plus the oil equivalent of the oil used to
farm that acre of land, with little or no herbicide.
Sure,grow lots of
Harmon,
Sulfur is theoretically supposed to be eliminated from petroleum diesel by
2010. This is one of the instantaneous benefits to the biodiesel industry,
as biodiesel is the most economically advantageous additive to sulfur free
diesel that will recover the loss in lubricity from sulfur
Anyone know hemp's oilseed yield in Lbs/acre or kg/hectare ?
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Approximately 70 gallons of oil per acre when grown specifically for
oiilseed. Less if fiber is the primary co-product.
Would have to scrape up year old notes from a dust-collecting pile to
calculate residual oil content in the meal and total oilseed yields.
Todd Swearingen
- Original
On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 03:04:36PM -0600, MH wrote:
Anyone know hemp's oilseed yield in Lbs/acre or kg/hectare ?
Check the journeytoforever link at the bottom -- there's a oilseed yield
page. Hemp is only a pathetic 39
gal. @ acre, below soybeans at 48 gal. @ acre. Absurd, actually, when
Keith,
Great article.
ref http://
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Harmon,
Not only are strains of each crop unknown, but the growing conditions or
method of oil extraction - solvent versus extruder/expeller, with solvent
yielding higher oil numbers per acre (as well as residual hexane
concentrations in both oil and meal).
Further, oil yields are a relatively
Hmmm, it seems that oil palm is not necessarily all that great, being used as a
weapon in the War on Some
Drugs, and a guilty partner in rainforest destruction.
http://www.wrm.org.uy/plantations/material/oilpalm5.html
On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 05:04:17PM -0500, Appal Energy wrote:
Harmon,
Welcome to capitalism and the never ending struggle for economic control.
Does the word Faustinian come to mind?
Todd Swearingen
- Original Message -
From: Harmon Seaver
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] Market
I'm with Harmon on this. Why not build a retro fitting system for some of
the vehicles we already have?
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hey, researching oil palm, I find when roasted, it tastes like lamb --
anybody ever try this?
what's the northernmost range for it?
On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 04:25:05PM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
Hmmm, it seems that oil palm is not necessarily all that great, being used as
a weapon in the
Hopefully an informed opinion can drive out ignorance and superstition.
Hemp could save a lot of marginal land as well.
It is a good cooking oil too. It doesn't oxidize as readily as some oils.
Oxidized oils are rancid oils--carcinogenic.
-Original Message-
From: Keith Addison
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Aren't you all proud of how long I have held my tongue?
As for the new breed of US diesel vehicles, I have a F350 diesel with 220,000
miles on it. Change the oil and it keeps on going. 19 MPG empty, 17 MPG
loaded to 11,000 lbs gross weight. Try getting that from a 1950's automobile.
I am
acording to a show on tv , ibelieve it was W5or the 5th estate
palm oil is not good for the human body. clogs up the arteries.
any docs out there to verify or dispute this.
louis
- Original Message -
From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March
Jess,
In general, a palm reaches maturity in 10-15 years and is best acclimitized
to tropical climates.
I would tend to believe that palm would not do well, if at all, in New
Mexico.
Jojoba, on the other hand has enormous potential in arid regions. It's only
disbenefit from the biodiesel side
Todd,
I saw some farmland for sale for a ridiculous low amount in New Mexico: 160
acres with two large metal buildings in good shape. They've got jojoba trees
growing on 60 acres now, but I wonder if one could grow oil palm there. 635
gal yield is a of earl. How fast is the bring to market time
I agree with much of what you say and am a fan of biodiesel and other
biofuels at this point, generally. A problem that I see is that none
of this, including the railing against the stubborn mediocrity of the
Big 3 et. al. addresses the reality of the nationwide and largely
worldwide
I have been a physician for over twenty-two years. I have never admitted
anyone to the coronary care unit with a diagnosis of olive oil embolism. We
are talking about saturated animal fats. Some of the heavier, denser,
saturated plant oils; palm oil, coconut oil, avocado oil, play a tiny role
in
In NJ, public transit runs on B20. Ethanol replacing MTBE is really heating
up as well
Steve Spence
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jojoba is a decent oil producer.
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acording to a show on tv , ibelieve it was W5or the 5th estate
palm oil is not good for the human body. clogs up the arteries.
any docs out there to verify or dispute this.
louis
Hi Louis
http://us.cambridge.org/Books/kiple/palmoil.htm
The Cambridge World History of Food - Palm Oil
- Original Message -
From: studio53
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 18:44
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] Market research
Todd,
I saw some farmland for sale for a ridiculous low amount in New Mexico:
160
acres with two large metal buildings in
Aren't you all proud of how long I have held my tongue?
As for the new breed of US diesel vehicles, I have a F350 diesel with 220,000
miles on it. Change the oil and it keeps on going. 19 MPG empty, 17 MPG
loaded to 11,000 lbs gross weight. Try getting that from a 1950's automobile.
I am all
I have been a physician for over twenty-two years. I have never admitted
anyone to the coronary care unit with a diagnosis of olive oil embolism. We
are talking about saturated animal fats. Some of the heavier, denser,
saturated plant oils; palm oil, coconut oil, avocado oil, play a tiny role
in
It works much better with supercaps than Pb/acid.
In fact it may not be worth doing without supercaps in many situations.
-Original Message-
From: steve spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 7:38 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel
Great article. Geo-politics at it's worst and best.
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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It works much better with supercaps than Pb/acid.
In fact it may not be worth doing without supercaps in many
situations.
In principle, regen braking is an attempt to recycle the energy of
motion of a vehicle. Conventionally-made
Would compressed air be any better, as in using that French air car concept
for the storage/boost/braking, and combine that with the steady-running
diesel as compressor-driver instead of generator-driver? Lighter than
batteries, cylinder tanks could double as longitudinal framing (backbone
You can't just say regen is better because the vehicle goes a bit further.
There are costs and failure rates with each added function. Also the value
of regen is course dependent. What % of the drive is stop and go?
Air has the problem of energy lost as heat of compression. If you could keep
the
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