Hiperfuels now sells methanol in 5-gal lots, I just got this from
them (don't try for the free samples!).
Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:24:43 -0500
From: Jess Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Methanol and Ethanol
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please reply direct to Daniel.
Keith
Someone please tell Daniel that any bus can become a 'biodiesel bus' simply
by putting the right fuel in its tank.
David
Hi David
I thought I'd leave that for some interested party in LA to tell him.
Keith
We are interested in contacting a biodiesel
Hi MM
Thanks for the cross-post. Yes, I agree - especially with the first
para, and the last one. But Hubbert's Peak, well... It's often come
up here in the past, but I just don't think it matters much, on three
counts.
First is the idea that known oil reserves, and other conventional
MM wrote:
In addition, it will urge the auto industry to produce 2003
models capable of using gas
containing 10 percent ethanol.
Ah, but I thought no modifications were needed, according to what
Keith and others have been saying. Whence this policy of a major
government of the country
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:58:20 -0600
Subject: [biofuel] Japan: Environment Ministry High on Alcohol-Fueled Vehicles
Japan: Environment Ministry High on Alcohol-Fueled Vehicles
Dec 16, 2002
The Asahi Shimbun
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:01:14 -0600
Subject: [biofuel] Japan: Country Eyes Bioenergy-fueled Plants, Cars in 2010
Japan: Country Eyes Bioenergy-fueled Plants, Cars in 2010
Dec 19, 2002
Hi Hoagy, how've you been?
Bit more below on this one:
Japan: Country Eyes Bioenergy-fueled Plants, Cars in 2010
Dec 19, 2002
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=newscat=4id=243380
Japan aims to introduce an ambitious program intended to recycle
leftover food, livestock droppings
and
Re these two stories Hoagy posted, Japan: Country Eyes
Bioenergy-fueled Plants, Cars in 2010 and Japan: Environment
Ministry High on Alcohol-Fueled Vehicles, it's very gratifying to
see that the major focus is on waste, and on the community level.
Most previous proposals have been high-tech
Thanks for this info as it brought me a big relieve
that the Japanese are now thinking of Ethanol and
Biodiesel!
For the past three years that we have tried to launch
biofuel program in Thailand where most
carsmotorcycles are Japanese-made, those who have
always come up with NEGATIVE views of
Too bad. Their press release makes it seem as if the process is a
closed biofuel loop.
Todd Swearingen
Todd, when I was a student in this department there was quite a
bit
of work being done on the pyrolysis of coal. I suspect this is
what
they are talking about in this paragraph:
Waste
Greetings Samai
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the opposition in
Thailand (and other SE Asian countries?) was more on the part of the
local agents or local branches, and I don't know how closely the
branches are tied to the mother companies when it comes to such
issues. We've
Dear Samai,
I also think that this might be extremely important for
Japan, but it could have a ramping effect in developing
countries. They are even more caught by the Oil interests
and it's big influence for the poverty trap.
When EU moves decisively towards biofuels, now
Japan will do the
On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:10:36 +0900, you wrote:
MM wrote:
In addition, it will urge the auto industry to produce 2003
models capable of using gas
containing 10 percent ethanol.
Ah, but I thought no modifications were needed, according to what
Keith and others have been saying. Whence this
Some further interesting comments on the case that Oil is affecting
U.S. foreign policy in untoward ways. I don't subscribe to all these
views, but I am passing them on for comment or consideration.
Earl you forgot to mention the wild card in the bunch -- China, the
dragon is waking up
Hi MM
On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:10:36 +0900, you wrote:
MM wrote:
In addition, it will urge the auto industry to produce 2003
models capable of using gas
containing 10 percent ethanol.
Ah, but I thought no modifications were needed, according to what
Keith and others have been
Hiperfuels now sells methanol in 5-gal lots, I just got this from
them (don't try for the free samples!).
Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:24:43 -0500
From: Jess Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Methanol and Ethanol
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, you gotta understand that leveling the playing field is something
you grumble about only when the tables are tipped AWAY from you ... and the
ball is rolling out of your reach.
If the tables are toward you and the ball (bucks) are rolling toward you ...
huh ... what's a matter?
Hi MM
Thanks for the cross-post. Yes, I agree - especially with the first
para, and the last one. But Hubbert's Peak, well... It's often come
up here in the past, but I just don't think it matters much, on three
counts.
First is the idea that known oil reserves, and other conventional
On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:37:29 -0600, you wrote:
Well, you gotta understand that leveling the playing field is something
you grumble about only when the tables are tipped AWAY from you ... and the
ball is rolling out of your reach.
Maybe. But if you can get just one person to recognize this.
MM wrote:
In addition, it will urge the auto industry to produce 2003
models capable of using gas
containing 10 percent ethanol.
Ah, but I thought no modifications were needed, according to what
Keith and others have been saying. Whence this policy of a major
government of the country
Hi Hoagy, how've you been?
Bit more below on this one:
Japan: Country Eyes Bioenergy-fueled Plants, Cars in 2010
Dec 19, 2002
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=newscat=4id=243380
Japan aims to introduce an ambitious program intended to recycle
leftover food, livestock droppings
and
Re these two stories Hoagy posted, Japan: Country Eyes
Bioenergy-fueled Plants, Cars in 2010 and Japan: Environment
Ministry High on Alcohol-Fueled Vehicles, it's very gratifying to
see that the major focus is on waste, and on the community level.
Most previous proposals have been high-tech
Keith wrote:
Hi Hoagy, how've you been?
Bit more below on this one:
Japan: Country Eyes Bioenergy-fueled Plants, Cars in 2010
Dec 19, 2002
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=newscat=4id=243380
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20021220a7.htm
The Japan Times
MH wrote:
Although there was a transitional period in the 1980s when
engines and fuel system parts such as gasket, seal, plastic,
rubber and some metallic parts may have needed to be upgraded
similar to biodiesel. My pre 1980's vehicles required a
carburetor metallic float replacement
Reply Below
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some interesting ideas Earl. I'm going to take the liberty of
passing
them along to a few other discussion areas.
MM
Thanks for the post; it was a reasonable editorial. It really
makes
me angry to to hear
GP Jessup III-coachgeo3, has it somehow slipped your mind that you've
stated this case here before, and very much got the worst of it? Now
you come back a few months later and say it all over again as if it
never happened, using the arguments that got you such a drubbing last
time. I'm sorry,
To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
From: Sam Jai-In [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:29:41 + (GMT)
Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Japan: Environment Ministry High on
Alcohol-Fueled Vehicles
Thanks for this info as it brought me a big relieve
that the Japanese are now thinking of
On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:10:36 +0900, you wrote:
MM wrote:
In addition, it will urge the auto industry to produce 2003
models capable of using gas
containing 10 percent ethanol.
Ah, but I thought no modifications were needed, according to what
Keith and others have been saying. Whence this
zeta talk is an internet hoax!
Steve Spence
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- Original Message -
From: William Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Cc: William
I hope ur correct on that - however something is getting bigger very fast at
the poistion that NASA discovered it at with the IRAS infared orbiting space
telescope in 1983.
So far an object THERE is moving too fast to be any known star in that
part of the sky bringing with it several moons which
either the best master hoax in the history of the internet - or - at some
point as px becomes visible without a scope they will just start to say that
it is a comet and not to worry our pretty little heads about it.
http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/
- Original Message -
From: Steve Spence
It is many that claims that global warming and oil depletion is
a hoax to, but between all the realities and hoaxes I prefer to deal
with this. I is for me more likable to deal with something I might
have a chance to effect, than wild useless information that are
not possible to evaluate nor to
No more Zeta Talk, Planet X, pole shift and/or etc.
Thankyou.
Keith Addison
Moderator
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So I don't scare off to easy sorry that offends you. I have the
right to voice my opinion as much as others. It's called standing up
for what you believe in. Gee funny that when the supposedly
earth friendly Green folk stand their ground over and over it is ok
but when someone
This is from one of the frame builders off of my HPV group. I
thought it was so creative that I just had to share it with all of
you.
fred
Since the list is a bit slow lately, I thought I'd mention my latest
commission.
A DPV (Dog Powered Vehicle).
thats cool. Ive seen carts for paralyzed, damaged rear hips or rear
legs of a dog but never the front. Not sure about a dog that is not
safe to have around neighbors though. That is an accident waiting to
happen unforutunately.
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jessup,
If you are referring to Harmon as a Good Samaritain Green you are
way off the mark. Harmon has advocated violence on many occasions.
If you are going to bring up the point that you are a Good Off-
roading Citizen, then you need to wear the colors of the jerk that
insists on taking
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:40:02 -, motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Motie, may I suggest the following?
1. It would be a nice idea to show some consideration to people
(like me) with flaky Internet connections -
Fred, Enjoy your new forms of recreation.
I agree about private property. I have not wheeled on private
property but once and it was unknowingly. I ventured down a trail
that was not marked with No trespasing signs. It was late in the
evening and I was picking a line to exit the trails
Some further interesting comments on the case that Oil is affecting
U.S. foreign policy in untoward ways. I don't subscribe to all these
views, but I am passing them on for comment or consideration.
Earl you forgot to mention the wild card in the bunch -- China, the
dragon is waking up
I also feel the need to say something here, since it is not really are the
true off-roading that is the major energy problem. It may or may not be a
problem of where it is done, but as in so many cases there are
irresponsible individuals that probably does not represent the majority.
I
Actually lots of offroaders would not be caught dead in the Mom's
SUV's unless it is used as a tow rig. I agree, for a daily driver
the big ones are a waste. I also agree that untrained folk storming
around in them is not safe. Many dealers try to educate the new SUV
owners and the
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:40:02 -, motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Motie, may I suggest the following?
1. It would be a nice idea to show some consideration to people
(like me) with flaky Internet connections
One thing I've read but don't recall experiencing
is gum or varnish gasoline fuel system deposits
which is what's bothering some concerned with
fuel filters I take it. But then prior to local
ethyl alcohol blended petrol I did fill the tank
every third or fourth time with E-10 which might
GP Jessup III
I notice you've simply ignored the points I raised in favour of a
slanging match, not unexpected. They're these:
[pirate4x4.com] I know of thousands of 4 wheelers that take pride in
their good stewardship of mother earth.
MM's cross-post was about future energy supplies, about
Hi MM
On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:10:36 +0900, you wrote:
MM wrote:
In addition, it will urge the auto industry to produce 2003
models capable of using gas
containing 10 percent ethanol.
Ah, but I thought no modifications were needed, according to what
Keith and others have been
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