--- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Michael Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My guess is that he was talking about unconventional liquid fuels in general.
I think the effect was first noted by the British Army some 60 years ago when
they burned
sump oil to keep warm in the deserts of north
--- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all
Sorry, that took a bit longer than expected (what a surprise -
doesn't everything?). So we moved house, as well as project, to a
small village in Ichijima Prefecture. The move went fine, but...
Another story, or
--- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Toronto has recently become the first city in North America to adopt
a Pedestrian Charter. Spearheaded by Toronto Food Policy Council
member Janice Etter and her citizen colleague Rhona Swarbrick, the
Charter includes one
mike, iwould be interested in low-cost insulating materials if you have
that info.
regards, roger kurz ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
My guess is that he was talking about unconventional liquid fuels in general.
I think the effect was first noted by the British Army some 60 years ago
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Poch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
your right about the gemini diesel cars-- i almost forgot about them. (head
hits computer screen!!)
now i remember when they were lots of this cars being used as taxis cause
they were so cheap and reliable.
the government started to
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Juan Boveda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Poch.
About compact cars and small diesel engine cars,
Have you check the following cars in Manila:
Toyota's cars like Corsa 1.5 L (same size of the Fiat UNO)
and Corolla 1.8 L
Daihatsu Charade 1.0 L and 1.2 L (same
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There were a lot of good signs at the protest. At one point I was stuck
behind a guy with a BIG pickup truck with a large lumber rack on it- it had
a sign hanging from back of the rack- wide enough to take up most of the
lane
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark,
Could you please try to get an original .jpg of the one you posted for
publishing on web sites. That on could also be combined with a
text on the right of it, for bumper stickers etc. Very good, should
be used and
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone wanting that can just ask the Veggie Avenger-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - but it's also an easy graphic for someone to
just make themselves...
Mark
At 07:27 PM 1/20/2003 +0100, you wrote:
Mark,
Could you please try to get an
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, hugh_frater [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
1996... more likely than not, It'll be a pre-common rail engine, in
which case it'll either run a bosch or lucas/roto-diesel pump. These
have been used on loads of small diesels over the years without any
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Ken Basterfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Try Ellis Everard.
I only know their Exeter branch, 01392 444108. I know they can supply but
haven't bought any from them.
Methonex in the north east are the manufacturers but they won't deal with
individuals.
Let me know
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was just surfing around Michael Moore's excellent website -
www.michaelmoore.com and found an article from The Economist about a new
bill by Joseph Lieberman and John McCain that will, if passed, mandate a
reduction in
Heidi,
I'd love to see/hear details of your friend's WVO heaters, and details
on his use of WVO in a generator.
Thanks!
Craig
heidinem wrote:
I have just been a lurker here until now. I have a vegetable oil
fueled car which a friend converted for me and don't really
understand much
Keith,
Please do. I feel sorta badly about promoting the Elsbett when Ed and
Charlie are making such good kits, but the Elsbett is of a higher order
- truly something that allows Granny to drive your car (or her car) on
SVO - just tell her she can fuel up with dinodiesel if she runs out of
SVO
Oops! I thought Keith had written to me off-list, and meant to reply
off-list. Sorry about the extremely OT chatter about Doug Lummis, etc!
Craig
Keith Addison wrote:
I hope you don't mind if I cross-post this Craig - it seems to be
travelling quite well! (The message as well as the Merc.)
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, abattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
Would anybody like to give a newbie a quick intro to the biofuel
group. What are biofuels and what are the different kinds? What makes
a good biofuel good?
Thanks
--- End forwarded message ---
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Brian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone aware of any problems with putting biodiesel in
the newer jetta TDI's? Thanks.
Brian
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--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Robin Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a typical non-commercial source of sodium hydroxide? I was reading on
the journey to forever page that it is something you can get at a hardware
store - what would it be called??
Could I just walk in and ask for a
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, William [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
heheh, I was wondering where all the traffic for just that one image
was coming from.
The whole stack is at:
http://www.veggieavenger.com/news/rally.shtml
--
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--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, girl mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, dshirode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey there,
I'm a student of Third Year petrochemical Engg. studying at MIT, Pune,
Maharashtra, India. I am interested in biofuels and I have been working on it
since a year. I have some national level presentataions on the
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, dave01632002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I am very interested in making biodiesel from used vegetable oil and
methanol, but my biggest concern is disposal of the glycerin. I
understand I should obtain approximately 15 gallons of glycering
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, RobLunan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Sorry to pester you. I'm at my whit's end. I can find lots of info on
registering a fuel alcohol still in the USA but nothing in
Canada. Do you
know who to contact in Canada or do you have a link?
Any help
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sometimes I ask something!!!???!!!
I remember that USA, in 2005, want to export the Bioethanol at 5,7%, is it
true? or They will produce before?
I view a very few messages in this period, why?
Best regards at the all
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Ellringer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lots of people power their TDI's with varying amounts of biodiesel,
including B100 (100%).
I highly recommend you join fellow TDI owners in discussing biodiesel and
biofuels at the web forums on www.tdiclub.com . Click on
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Toronto has recently become the first city in North America to adopt
a Pedestrian Charter. Spearheaded by Toronto Food Policy Council
member Janice Etter and her citizen colleague Rhona Swarbrick, the
Charter includes one
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Brian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave,
I haven't used it myself yet, but the glcerin can be
used as a soap. You can read more about it at the
biodeisel websites. It depends on how you want to use
it, whether just to clean up your shop, or if you want
to make
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lye.
You can find it at the hardware store or grocery store, on the same isle as
drain cleaners, in a can just a bit larger than a soda can. It might be
marked with the brand name Red Devil.
Greg H.
- Original Message
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Were do I start?
BioFuels are, in simplest terms, fuels that are derived from renewable
biological sources. Wood that is burned in the fireplace, charcoal in a
furnace, and vegetable oil, that with or with out simple
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, studio53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks William for posting this... I only thought there was one image...
makes me want to go back to S.F. (Was there in Haight-Asbury in 68')
---
Jesse Parris
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all
Sorry, that took a bit longer than expected (what a surprise -
doesn't everything?). So we moved house, as well as project, to a
small village in Ichijima Prefecture. The move went fine, but...
Another story, or
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Probably about 6.715 gallons of true glycerin for every 85
gallons of feedstock. The rest will be recoverable alcohol and
soap. Unfortunately you can't separate the glycerin from the soap
without evaporating the glycerin at
has anyone done any experimentation on reprocessing the FFA's via the
acid/base to see if it's convertable? Although, I do like the idea of
burning it in a boiler/heater, it seems like it would be worthy to capture
it and make some more BD.
James Slayden
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Appal Energy
I hope you don't mind if I cross-post this Craig - it seems to be
travelling quite well! (The message as well as the Merc.)
Best
Keith
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:33:02 -0800
Subject: Elsbett (long) (was Re: [vegoil-diesel] Suitable
I was going to ask a question, but as usual the JTF page answered it for
me. ;-)
But here it is anyway
I was going to ask about the left over meth in the glyc seperation, but I
found that on the page:
The methanol can then be recovered from the glycerine in the middle layer
by heating to
If you;re in the US, that would be 'lye' - drain cleaner- the Red Devil
brand specifically. It has to be pure 100% lye- (and Red Devil says so on
the label in TINY little letters if you squint hard enough). The other odd
varieties of drain cleaner (crystal,foaming,newformula,liquid whatever)
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, dave01632002 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I am very interested in making biodiesel from used vegetable oil and
methanol, but my biggest concern is disposal of the glycerin. I
understand I should obtain approximately 15 gallons of glycering
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, abattler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would anybody like to give a newbie a quick intro to the biofuel
group. What are biofuels and what are the different kinds? What makes
a good biofuel good?
Thanks
Two good sources are included at the bottom of
James,
There is a point, to which I am as yet certain, where higher than
atmospheric pressure must be implemented in order to get high ffa
feedstock to entirely convert in an esterification.
This would probably mean at least 4 atmospheres or greater. But
that doesn't amount to much as far as
Unfortunately we were all driving for the parade portion of the thing, so
nobody I know got good photos of the parade. Causing traffic for Peace! If
anyone out there in internet land got good pictures of the vehicles, please
let me (or Veggieavenger site) know.
By the way the rest of the
Looks like they're bothering to look into this a bit more now that
apparently existing Colorado River rights are being enforced. I had
always wondered about what they did with the salt, and apparently
there is indeed a concern of what it does to the ocean and ocean life
when the salt is put back
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Robin Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a typical non-commercial source of sodium hydroxide? I was
reading on the journey to forever page that it is something you can
get at a hardware store - what would it be called??
Could I just walk in and ask for a
you can also compost the glycerine if you don't happen to have a hay field :)
Composting: I mix it with wood chips or straw, make sure it is somewhat wet
with water, and make sure I turn the compost pile frequently. Just regular
composting technique.
Mark
Or you
could dillute it with water
On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 10:03 AM, girl mark wrote:
you can also compost the glycerine if you don't happen to have a hay
field :)
Composting: I mix it with wood chips or straw, make sure it is
somewhat wet
with water, and make sure I turn the compost pile frequently. Just
Hi, I've been lurking for a week or two. I am a recent
biodiesel/fuel enthusiast and am looking for help. I recently
bought an ex PGE (soon to be Powered by Green Energy) 1985 GMC
diesel pickup. After some transmission work it is up and running
and I am ready to move on to the next phase.
a lot of people I know who do this are actually non-gardeners (I would
poison myself if I ate what I could grow with the air pollution at my
house!), so the composting is just a disposal method, or a way for keeping
food scraps (and glycerine that you would add to such a pile) out of the
Glycerine (glycerol)
It used to be used in smoke machines. Maybe someone can figure out how
to mix it with water, run it through a VEG-Therm, (which will do a nice
job of making the fog-like smoke, I am quite sure) into a venturi,
into the turbo, and mist fumigate the diesel with it, thus
Mark - very interesting side issue - urban and peri urban agriculture.
Should food be grown in cities with high levels of air pollution that
precipitates onto the plantsor perhaps we should think also in
terms of growing fuel instead (mustard, sunflowers, etc.) in these
urban and
That sounds kinda strange. I'm a definite newbie at transesterification
... but I sorta understand saponification. And as I recall (in
saponification), the FFA's combine with the sodium hydroxide ... forming the
soap. The rest of the fat breaking away as glycerine. Therefore, in these
two
Here's the explanation:
what we commonly call glycerine- the brown stuff that falls to the bottom
after you've made biodiesel- is actually a mixture that contains soaps,
leftover catalyst and methanol, and glycerine. If you take this byproduct
and react it with an acid, you will break down the
Ok now im stumped, im just starting to make the biofuel for my iveco truck,
will some one please tell me what im going to do with all the FAT .
Ive just sivved the oil ive collect 60ltrs, and 10 ltrs was fat, im letting it
settle again to see how much more of the oil i can get out of it, but
There is an ellis and Everard in Nuneaton, just north of Coventry, just off
junction 3 of the M6, if that helps
- Original Message -
From: Ken Basterfield
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methanol source
Try Ellis
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:49:57 +0900, you wrote:
This is OT, or maybe not entirely, if rural energy and issues are a
topic for us here - only 99% OT. g But I thought I'd relay it
because it's so repulsive. Maybe some folks here would care to make
their opinions known to CBS.
Keith
Did you
On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 11:11 AM, csakima wrote:
That sounds kinda strange. I'm a definite newbie at
transesterification
... but I sorta understand saponification. And as I recall (in
saponification), the FFA's combine with the sodium hydroxide ...
forming the
soap. The
From: girl mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 January 2003 18:41
Girl Mark said:
slightly offtopic to what you're talking about above:
Since we're talking about viscosity, I want to remind people
that besides
lowering viscosity and providing low-viscosity fuel for
startup,
I got some bad emulsification the one time I tried a remix. I was using an
oil that I normally had fine results washing- no emulsion problems- so
unless I messed up that batch and didn't realize it, I think I did
something wrong with the remix (I didn't really measure the water I put in,
Mark (and Darren,)
I think that cold oil in the fuel injection pump isn't a problem because
of gumming - it's only a problem if the cold oil's still cold when it
reaches the combustion chamber, or the pre-combustion chamber. Elsbett
gets around this cold oil problem in two ways - via the
Hello all.
I am looking to transport 500 or more gallons of biodiesel at a time to
supply our biofuels co-op. We have a trailer made for the purpose of fuel
transport. Are there any legalities or practical concerns y'all might have
encountered in transporting fuels? At what volume would
I don't remember where I got that info- I thought it was standard thinking
on svo conversion but that some people didn't pay attention to it, hence
Gray's problems that he thinks might be due to long-term effect of
incomplete flushes. I got my svo education from a whole lot of sources over
I saw it and was disappointed with the series. The guy doing the alcohol
had a good plan. BUT they would not let the homesteaders HUNT .. That
was what kept most of the homesteaders alive in days past!! And they
could only cut down the trees Appointed to cut.
Finally got my Chemistry
Gotcha the soap dissolves in the glycerine phase ... that's the key.
The SOAP is what's changing back to fatty acid ... not the glycerine.
I was under the impression that when you said glycerin ... you meant pure
glycerin.Soap ... changing back to FFA .. that makes sense.
Curtis
Get
Hi all:
One more aspect of this is that the WVO is more acidic and thicker at
the same temperature compared to new oil. Purging the pump seems a good
idea for both reasons. Easier on the pump on cold starts (diesel or
biodiesel, not WVO), and not leaving WVO in the pump for the many hours
Gray did the Diesel Purge regimen and says it didn't entirely help. I
wonder if there's a difference between the petrodiesel crud that Purge is
designed to knock loose and SVO related deposits- probably not much.
Mark
At 01:06 PM 1/21/2003 -0800, you wrote:
As far as Gray's Powersmoke - I
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On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 01:03 PM, girl mark wrote:
I got some bad emulsification the one time I tried a remix
How much do you agitate it when doing a remix?
I do a glycerine remix with the motor and no added water a
couple times with settling in between. Then I gently add the
Aaron,
Check with the Wisconsin DOT. You will have to do the same for the Minnesota
leg of your run.
We should be ready to produce (175 gpd) as soon as the weather cooperates.
Are you using the fuel for on-road?
Craig
Green Bay
- Original Message -
From: Aaron Ellringer [EMAIL
Melt the fat, mix it with the oil at 120*F and make biodiesel out
of both.
The filtered material could be pressed (just a screw press and a
metal box with holes in it)to get the remainder of the oil out
(and water). It can then be composted readily.
Raccoons, opossums, stray dogs, cats and all
Rob,
Contact Canada Customs and Revenue Agency
www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca
Info available under Excise Tax
You might try calling Chris Lewis ( fuel sector ) at 613-957-8642
You will need to obtain a licence for constructing or using any type
of distillation equipment ( except that used for distilling
Rob,
You will need to obtain a licence for constructing or
using any type of distillation equipment ( except that
used for distilling water, but even that has to meet
certain specs to avoid running afoul of the tax act )..
In any event, the regs here in Canada make it very
troublesome to
You can make biodiesel out of solid fat and liquid oil and shortening and
lard and tallow. They'll produce fuel with slightly different
characteristics (expecially the animal fat) but they'll all work.
The sludge could be solid fats or hydrogenated shortening, or it could be
the breading or
One thing I really wonder about is how much the higher ffa matters. Any
data on that? It's in the biodiesel specification, and I don't know enough
about what it does and at what concentrations.
I don't use svo at the moment partly because I don't want to use acidic
fuel, and most svo'ers I
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Glycerine (glycerol)
It used to be used in smoke machines. Maybe someone can figure out
how
to mix it with water, run it through a VEG-Therm, (which will do a
nice
job of making the fog-like smoke, I am
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