Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: quality control, customer service, and big industry

2003-06-05 Thread Keith Addison
Isn't it an NBB or EPA requirement to submit one sample a year? Keith that is a great document, but that QC recommendation is only a recommendation. There isn't particularly an enforcable law about how often companies run analysis, I dont' think... mark At 04:57 PM 6/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:

Re: [biofuels-biz] RE: Good Fuel Quality Control at World Energy

2003-06-05 Thread Appal Energy
The question is, It was 'off-spec in what way? The reported manner in which it was 'off-spec' just doesn't happen unless process steps are omitted (corners cut). Such being the case, it would be more of a matter of a producer not knowing what they were doing or getting greedy, rather than poor

Re: [biofuels-biz] Free Biodiesel Workshop this Sunday- Davis, California

2003-06-05 Thread Grant County Economic Development
Hey, this sounds really exciting, so this fall, could I invite you to southwest Kansas if we hold a biodiesel program? Out here, my goal is to commercially squeeze corn oil or sunflower oil ( we can use the leftovers as cattle feed) and convert it to biodiesel... then we can use the

[biofuels-biz] registering was Re: Homebrew Biodiesel Class, , Ukiah CA

2003-06-05 Thread girl_mark_fire
Sorry for the non-biz topic here (and apologies to people who aren't local)... Yes, it'd be helpful if people attending the Ukiah class let me know ahead of time that they were planning on coming, I'm sorry I didn't include registration info in the original announcement! I usually do these

[biofuels-biz] Re: even more shady quality control in commercial biodiesel

2003-06-05 Thread girl_mark_fire
I've heard a few other bad examples of industry putting out bad product. One of them was a story that the instructors at the Iowa State course told. They didn't want to name the company who was doing this, but it was a manufacturer who was selling blending stock (ie the B20 portion of a B20/

[biofuels-biz] Re: Free Biodiesel Workshop this Sunday- Davis, California

2003-06-05 Thread girl_mark_fire
Hi, I'm going to respond to the workshop stuff offlist later, but I just wanted to comment onlist, on this oil-and-feed application for oil crops. In the case of corn, I believe that you can get three uses out of it- oil for biodiesel, fermenting the corn for ethanol, and then using what's

[biofuels-biz] Re: Good Fuel Quality Control at World Energy

2003-06-05 Thread girl_mark_fire
Graham, I understand that World Energy is a broker for fuel coming from several manufacturing facilities, and that it might be hard to track things like this from a broker perspective. But can you answer the questions on what exactly happened? Your letter to the Northwest consumers mentions

Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Good Fuel Quality Control at World Energy

2003-06-05 Thread Kristen Stremlau
Graham, Obviously, I buy into the idea that different labs may give different glycerin results. In fact, sending biodiesel samples to different labs and then back to the same lab for analysis and comparing results was part of the marketing research we did for our new kit. And, yes, we did

[biofuel] Fwd: RE: Good Fuel Quality Control at World Energy

2003-06-05 Thread Keith Addison
Fwd from Biofuels-biz: To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com From: Graham Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:44:11 -0400 Subject: [biofuels-biz] RE: Good Fuel Quality Control at World Energy Thanks for your interest in getting some more info from me on the quality issue in the

[biofuel] Fwd: More on the Australian ethanol saga...

2003-06-05 Thread Keith Addison
Fwd from the Biofuels-biz list To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com From: movember [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 01:55:31 - Subject: [biofuels-biz] More on the Australian ethanol saga... Long post, but very interesting story that appeared in this week's The Australian Financial

[biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: quality control, customer service, and big industry

2003-06-05 Thread Keith Addison
Isn't it an NBB or EPA requirement to submit one sample a year? Keith that is a great document, but that QC recommendation is only a recommendation. There isn't particularly an enforcable law about how often companies run analysis, I dont' think... mark At 04:57 PM 6/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:

[biofuel] RE: Good Fuel Quality Control at World Energy

2003-06-05 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Graham Thanks for your interest in getting some more info from me on the quality issue in the Northwest. Sorry that I am behind the curve in responding to the posts. I sometimes can't keep up very well when I am on the road. I must say I was surprised to suddenly see World Energy in

[biofuel] Propane / NG water heaters (was Re: solar colector)

2003-06-05 Thread Greg
G Mark, Have you thought of converting one of thoes free NG heaters to Propane? The reasion I ask, is that I worked security at a propane / NG shaving facility for several years, and picked up a few things from the pros there, that made their living working with both. Propane is hotter than

[biofuel] highway speed findings

2003-06-05 Thread murdoch
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=519ncid=718e=6u=/ap/20030605/ap_on_re_us/speed_limit_study I wish they'd give death rates in terms of numbers per person-mile driven, rather than in raw numbers. Also, I liked this statement: The conventional view is often that speed kills

Re: [biofuel] Fwd: More on the Australian ethanol saga...

2003-06-05 Thread murdoch
I liked this article a lot, even if others will find fault with it. As I had thought it would be, the more-than-10% issue, regardless of the actual facts, has been used by the Oil Powers to help stop the push for Ethanol in Australia. There are other factors and idealogical leverage points of

[biofuel] Propane / NG water heaters (was Re: solar colector)

2003-06-05 Thread girl_mark_fire
Hi Greg, I tried to find out more info about doing this. It's not super easy. The manufacturers of the water heaters all said that it'd be OK to convert from propane to NG, but not the other way around. Yet stoves (cookstoves) are fine to convert in either direction. I tried to ask about

[biofuel] Homebrewer's Question: disposing of glycerin

2003-06-05 Thread joshuawardsmith
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Re: [biofuel] Propane / NG water heaters (was Re: solar colector)

2003-06-05 Thread Greg and April
I did a google search, Natural Gas to Propane , and came up with over 400 hits, I just check a few on the first couple of pages, and some of the info. was appliance specific, but they had to do with changing the orifice to a smaller size. Closer examination of the results might give you

Re: [biofuel] Re: solar colector

2003-06-05 Thread James Slayden
Mark, If you can get your hands on a used trough solar collector (the kind used professionally to heat water to steam) that might be the best bet. Anyone have any experience with this, or know of a salvage place? James Slayden On Wed, 21 May 2003, girl_mark_fire wrote: Spent part of the

Re: [biofuel] highway speed findings

2003-06-05 Thread Hakan
, June 05, 2003 12:06 Subject: [biofuel] highway speed findings http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=519ncid=718e=6u=/ap/20030605/ap_on_re_us/speed_limit_study I wish they'd give death rates in terms of numbers per person-mile driven, rather than in raw numbers. Also, I liked

Re: [biofuel] Homebrewer's Question: disposing of glycerin

2003-06-05 Thread Keith Addison
I'm curious to hear how biodiesel homebrewers dispose of the glycerin and other byproducts. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html Glycerine General Separating glycerine Purifying glycerine Paintbrush cleaner Soap Glop soap High-explosives Heart disease drug Love potion Safe

[biofuel] Re: solar colector

2003-06-05 Thread girl_mark_fire
yeah, it's right there on my list right after the nuclear reactor Im looking for. mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, If you can get your hands on a used trough solar collector (the kind used professionally to heat water to steam) that might

[biofuel] Biodiesel and Glycerine

2003-06-05 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo, I have been to Grand Rapids (Mich.) to visit the citys' biodiesel experiment. The two things which seem to be problems are that the liquid glycerine byproduct does not remain liquid but tends to get clumps of hardened glycerine in it and that the finished biodiesel, when

Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel and Glycerine

2003-06-05 Thread Appal Energy
Don't know how it can be called finished fuel if glycerine remains in the mix. Why aren't they washing the glycerin out as soon as the fuel is finished reacting? By the by, hardened glycerin is not glycerin. It's soap, with perhaps some glycerin homogeneity. This all sounds a bit like the

[biofuel] Re: Biodiesel and Glycerine

2003-06-05 Thread girl_mark_fire
If you as a home producer wash the biodiesel properly, there won't be any glycerine coming out of it. glycerine is water soluble, and free (ie completely reacted) glycerine will wash out. Bound glycerine (ie mono and diglycerides, which are an intermediate step between vegoil (triglyceride)

[biofuel] Building a biodiesel fuel batch processor.

2003-06-05 Thread adstreeter
Dear Sirs,I am in the process of building a biodiesel fuel processor. The material chosen for my processor is 304 alloy stainless steel. The cooking tank will be large enough to process batches of aprox. 200 gallons. With that in mind should the wash tank be two or three times larger than the