Can ethanol be transported through the existing pipeline? ... was [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy

2004-12-31 Thread Dave Shaw
Hello, I was perusing the Energy Commission report (URL below) and it cites that a drawback of ethanol is that it cannot be transported by pipeline. That seems odd to me, after all it is a liquid just like petrol, no? What part of our liquid fuel pipeline infrastructure would need to be changed

Re: [Biofuel] Slave labour

2004-12-31 Thread 1 palm
Good Morning, As this is morning in this part of the world . I have read many comments, either as a side remark or whole topic of conversation, it had been amazing to me that many associate labour in countries like Indonesia, China and other third world countries to be slave sweatshops.

[Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil

2004-12-31 Thread Rich3800
I would like to know of a way to make motor oil out of canola oil. Let's not talk about the unmentionables. ;-) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:

Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Made in China?

2004-12-31 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Gustl ; It is my sincere hope that given the internet and the possibility of communicating with others in other countries that we come to realize that people in general all want the same thing for themselves which is peace and enough. Enough food, shelter, work, friendship,

Re: [Biofuel] Electric Bill (was New Car)

2004-12-31 Thread Kirk McLoren
I have seen some high frequency ballasts that just chop the 60 Hz so the 15% efficiency improvement is lost. This is separate from the ballast loss, it is a raising of the bulb efficiency by not allowing quench to proceed as far inside the lamp. They label these as HF but it is misleading. I call

Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?

2004-12-31 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Walt ; Within living memory, China has taken economic steps which resulted in the deaths of millions of their own citizens; I therefore conclude that they wouldn't blush at taking steps which diminished the quality of life for Americans or Japanese. Quite true. I am not a

Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?

2004-12-31 Thread Hakan Falk
Walt, Do not worry, I do not think that China (or any other country) see US as a major source of food for humans. It is almost unconceivable that they would go to such efforts to secure corn supply for their own poultry production. LOL Hakan At 07:40 PM 12/30/2004, you wrote: At 09:23 AM

RE: [Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil

2004-12-31 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
use it as biofuel effective, I would personally welcome it .. .. because I won't eat it. At least all those dollars spent and treaties signed (not to mention anything else) wouldn't go to waste. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification .

Re: [Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil

2004-12-31 Thread Phillip Wolfe
Dear Rich, I will send you and article or two. You may want to join the Society of Tribologists and Lubricant Engineers (STLE) as I am a member. STLE is the study of lubricants and grease. The fields of biotribology and biolubricants are under great study. Generally speaking, many of the majors

Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?

2004-12-31 Thread Walt Patrick
Do not worry, I do not think that China (or any other country) see US as a major source of food for humans. It is almost unconceivable that they would go to such efforts to secure corn supply for their own poultry production. LOL I live in an agricultural county in the Pacific

Re: [Biofuel] Buying methanol and lye in singapore

2004-12-31 Thread prabu anand
Hi Phillip, I've not received any reply(except yours) until now. I'm told that i need license to get sodium hydroxide. Can you please tell me what is the correct term to use for buying methanol and lye in singapore. When i enquired, i was told methanol is available only in 2.5 litre cans

[Biofuel] education for green jobs

2004-12-31 Thread chris davidson
Hello to all- I have been receiving and reading the biofuel digest for a couple of months now,and have really begun to value the wealth of information that is connected to it.I could condsider myself a 'newbie' in the field of renewables (1-2 years of growing interest), and could be classified

Re: [Biofuel] Slave labour

2004-12-31 Thread Phillip Wolfe
Readers, 1-Palm brings up some good points. I asked my friend from Honduras for their point of view. Here it is: Honduran - In the northern part of Honduras we have many garment factories. They now pay in dollars not limperas. The fact that they pay in dollars is already playing havoc with

Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?

2004-12-31 Thread Hakan Falk
Peter, You live closer to it, but I have large difficulties to see that China was behind the Cambodian Pol Pot philosophies. It was in its essence an onslaught on education and knowledge, something that is very difficult to identify with the policies of China. China have during the last 50

Re: [Biofuel] Slave labour

2004-12-31 Thread Keith Addison
Good Morning, As this is morning in this part of the world . I have read many comments, either as a side remark or whole topic of conversation, it had been amazing to me that many associate labour in countries like Indonesia, China and other third world countries to be slave sweatshops.

Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Cambodia.

2004-12-31 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Hakan ; I admit that I don't really know the whole story, so anyone please feel free to correct me. I have many Khmer friends, and I discuss this with them often. From what I understand there were weekly flights to Beijing for supplies and military strategists. However (CS), this was only

RE: [Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil

2004-12-31 Thread Keith Addison
Um, sorry, not so. Canola is a low-erucic acid variety of rape, developed in Canada by conventional breeding methods. There's been much previous discussion about canola, its character and origins, please see the list archives. There are GM varieties of both rape and canola, which I agree

Re: [Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil

2004-12-31 Thread Keith Addison
I'm a bit of a tribalist myself. (Sorry!) I didn't know that word, thanks. A very informative post from Frantz on bio oils seems to have gone largely unnoticed: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20041213/003780.html [Biofuel] Looking for bio oils and lubricants Best wishes

Re: Can ethanol be transported through the existing pipeline? ... was [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy

2004-12-31 Thread Keith Addison
Best Keith Hello, I was perusing the Energy Commission report (URL below) and it cites that a drawback of ethanol is that it cannot be transported by pipeline. That seems odd to me, after all it is a liquid just like petrol, no? What part of our liquid fuel pipeline infrastructure would

Re: [Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil

2004-12-31 Thread Kristine Flohrs
I would recommend starting here: http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html and prepare to do some reading. All the best, AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA On Dec 30, 2004, at 5:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know of a way to make motor oil out of canola

Re: [Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil

2004-12-31 Thread Anti-Fossil
Hello again Rich, Having just RE-read your actual question, (it would have helped had I actually done this in the first place!) it is painfully obvious that my previous link is going to be of no use to you. Good thing we have knowledgeable folks around here who do silly little thing's like READ

Re: [Biofuel] New Car

2004-12-31 Thread Appal Energy
While a little bit of sweat won't melt me, the heat we get will cause heart attacks and other problems. HellIt's not the heat. It's the humidity. Ever noticed how in decades past the south was notorious for slowing down in summers. They just took it in stride. Naps here. Breaks there.

Re: [Biofuel] education for green jobs

2004-12-31 Thread Phillip Wolfe
Dear Chris, First of all, I worked for twenty years for a major petroleum company and prior to that a major electric and natural gas utility in energy conservation but also selling natural gas contracts, large merchant power plants and how can I say that I am better than anyone. I am not. So you

[Biofuel] Happy New Year

2004-12-31 Thread Kirk McLoren
I wish you all a happy and constructive new year. Kirk Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It

Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?

2004-12-31 Thread csc-propulsion
Yes, China is the biggest buyer of USA wheat and Soyabean. Soybean is good source of biodiesel, so USA must be careful not to sell out to China. Tell it to the Soya Bean lobby or farmers? FYI, Brazil is just about to replace USA as the biggest supplier of soyabean. Cool comfort for USA.

Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Cambodia.

2004-12-31 Thread Keith Addison
Sideshow - Nixon, Kissinger and the Secret Bombing of Cambodia, by William Shawcross, is an excellent source. In Sideshow, journalist Shawcross presents the first full-scale investigation of the secret and illegal war the United States fought with Cambodia from 1969 to 1973, paving the way

Re: [Biofuel] Buying methanol and lye in singapore

2004-12-31 Thread Keith Addison
What do Singaporeans use for drain-cleaner? Do you know the synonyms for sodium hydroxide? Caustic soda, for one. Have a look at the drain cleaners in a supermarket or hardware store, or try plumbers. Some drain cleaners have aluminium added, those don't work, but others are pure caustic

Re: [Biofuel] more on the quality test

2004-12-31 Thread John Guttridge
Appal Energy wrote: If you've got triglycerides remaining you'll also have the emulsifying mono- and di-glycerides, primary emulsifiers. If you've got no emulsifiers present, then you're going to be very hard pressed to find any registerable amount of triglycerides. It's really an either/or

[Biofuel] 7 days settling and something that seperates to the top?

2004-12-31 Thread John Guttridge
hazy until then (when done it was crystal clear). I presume that this is because my ambient temp is 55 degrees and if I cranked up the heat (at the expense of my comfort) then it would settle in 24-48hrs. when the haze broke it settled up rather than down leaving what looked like a very thin

[Biofuel] Antarctic Greenery

2004-12-31 Thread MH
Grass flourishes in warmer Antarctic Jonathan Leake, Science Editor Dec 26, 2004 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1415627,00.html GRASS has become established in Antarctica for the first time, showing the continent is warming to temperatures unseen for 10,000 years.

Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Cambodia.

2004-12-31 Thread Hakan Falk
Peter, It is no doubt that Pol Pot was supported by the Chinese, but you said in your original email that China was behind the Pol Pot experiment and that it was some sort of experiment on their behalf. In this sense I have my doubts on that the equal sign is a valid one. Therefore I also have

Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Cambodia.

2004-12-31 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Hakan ; --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I belive that Pol Pot was a Cambodian home cooked lunatic, that for global and regional reasons had the Chinese support. Yes you may very well be right. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand

Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Final Thoughts (long), Happy New Year, Over and Out.

2004-12-31 Thread Guag Meister
Hello Keith and All ; Keith wrote : You really should check this out, IMHO, there's no need to be so pessimistic, and I don't think it's your nature. I wouldn't say I was pessimistic, but I agree it may appear that way. I've been there, I was angry for years, angry about all the callous

Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Final Thoughts (long), Happy New Year, Over and Out.

2004-12-31 Thread Guag Meister
Hi All ; Opps. Sorry if I forgot anybody (Walt). Happy New Year to you all!! Peter G. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

[Biofuel] Grow lights

2004-12-31 Thread Go Hoff
On 2004-12-30 22.09, Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the grow lights, there are temporary until the full green house is done. Stevia dies with less than 14 hours of sunlight. I think the grow lights are better than the transport from South America, where it grows

Re: [Biofuel] education for green jobs

2004-12-31 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Chris and Phillip ; First I think it is quite exemplary for Chris to be thinking the way he is and I would like to congratulate him. --- Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second, as a former swing shift mechanic and college grad, there is not such thing as lower. Yes very true, How

Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Final Thoughts (long), Happy New Year, Over and Out.

2004-12-31 Thread Keith Addison
were angry. I was angry, I said you were pessimistic, and that indeed you have been, or sadly frustrated, if you prefer. Check the quotes I included. You despair of human goodwill and of the human capacity to learn much-needed lessons, yet in another post you include in this the critical

Re: [Biofuel] Slave labour

2004-12-31 Thread csc-propulsion
Keith, I must have browsed through an article about a servo motor company winding up its operations in USA and moving to China. I meant to comment on it but slip up due to the news on the Asian Tsunami hogging the TV. Being in the permanent magnet motor industry I like to enlighten

Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Cambodia.

2004-12-31 Thread csc-propulsion
Hakan and Guag, What we in Singapore know about Cambodia is only write up by Cambodian refugees and King Norodom Sihanouk. When the Killing Fields was aired, everyone was outraged and enraged. Subsequently the local news carried more news about later developments. By then more than 2

Re: [Biofuel] education for green jobs

2004-12-31 Thread Michael Redler
Dear Chris and Phillip, You need to get past the first paragraph to see my point. I am a design engineer, working in an RD group with a company that makes surgical scopes for non-invasive surgical procedures. I have a BS degree in Mechanical engineering technology and another BS degree in

Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Final Thoughts (long), Happy New Year, Over and Out.

2004-12-31 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Keith ; --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, you've misunderstood me. I didn't say and didn't mean that you were angry. Ok Keith, never mind this very minor thing. No problem at all. Dealing with the forces that interfere with and manipulate human nature for their own

[Biofuel] NBB Tier 1 and Tier 2 EPA reports

2004-12-31 Thread Jakob Goldman
View NBB Tier 1 and Tier 2 EPA reports at: http://www.biodieselgear.com/documentation/index.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:

[Biofuel] Greeting to all

2004-12-31 Thread Hakan Falk
The year that passed has been interesting and with many challenging events. The biofuel list, for me, is a very valuable forum for a community that consist of a uniquely balanced international representation of mature and experienced people. I want to wish you all a Happy New Year and look

Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?

2004-12-31 Thread Anti-Fossil
Hello Brian, Please forgive my delay in responding to your request. For reason unknown too me my server delivers some emails with what I consider to be regular speed, while others arrive in their own good time. Yours happened to be one of the latter this time, which is the reason for the

Re: [Biofuel] Grow lights

2004-12-31 Thread Keith Addison
On 2004-12-30 22.09, Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the grow lights, there are temporary until the full green house is done. Stevia dies with less than 14 hours of sunlight. So it dies in winter in South America? I think the grow lights are better than the transport

[Biofuel] Happy New Year!

2004-12-31 Thread Keith Addison
arrived in the middle of a blizzard. 2005! 2005! With a bit o' luck we might even survive! LOL! Naah, we can do a lot better than survive, I do believe. Anyway... to all at the Biofuel list, Keith and Midori of Journey to Forever wish you and those you love a happy, healthy and EXCELLENT

[Biofuel] Never Over and Out.

2004-12-31 Thread bmolloy
Hi Keith, Yes, it's already tomorrow here. (I suspect it's always tomorrow in New Zealand). I've been standing on the sidelines for the talkfest between you and Peter, and enjoying it hugely. Correction, for enjoying read appreciating. Perhaps the following quote from the Rubaiyat

Re: Can ethanol be transported through the existing pipeline? ... was [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy

2004-12-31 Thread FRANCISCO
First things first: Happy new Year for us all Brazilian National Oil Co. and Alcohol distillers do move ethanol through pipeline through out the country ( pls remember in continuous land Brazil is among the six biggies) in so called multiple pipeline ( crude, derivatives and ethanol).