Re: [Biofuel] give up meat?

2005-07-09 Thread Chris
It's really difficult to watch some of those "undercover" videos of slaughter houses and laboratories without really examing the way you live and the way you think of animals. If everyone had to look at the animal they ate living and dying in little cages in industrial farms, full of

Re: [Biofuel] give up meat?

2005-07-09 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Chris, Bob It's really difficult to watch some of those undercover videos of slaughter houses and laboratories without really examing the way you live and the way you think of animals. I've been finding it more and more difficult. I'm not willing to turn away either. If you deal with

Re[2]: [Biofuel] give up meat?

2005-07-09 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Folks, Saturday, 09 July, 2005, 03:44:18, you wrote: When people find out you don't eat meat they automatically assume it's because you can't stand to have cute cuddly cows die. Its always good to intellegently set them straight. If there's one thing i constantly have to fight

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread Ryan Hall
Hakan, The whole Bush propaganda, about WMD has in all its aspects been provento be without any substance. No WMDs or program to produce them have been found in Iraq. In UK this is a big scandal and Blair is suffering from it, but the Americans seems to be more tolerant about their government's

Re: [Biofuel] ASPO on the Economic near-Future

2005-07-09 Thread capt3d
hakan, When we talk about oil prices, we are talking on the prices and trading on the spot market trading on the market means trade on the international exchanges. Most large supplies are contracted and not bought on the spot market, but the contractual prices are regulated by the spot

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread capt3d
back in the '80s i started comparing the dual-party system here to choosing between coke and pepsi. with some satisfaction, i sometimes hear that same sentiment from others. i must admit, though, that while at first i was quite in favor of dean, my disappointment was short-lived once he got

[Biofuel] ethanol from animal waste

2005-07-09 Thread marilyn
Robert mentioned his concern over the masses of animal waste pouring into the rivers. I found these articles showing how in N Carolina they are starting to make pig waste into ethanol. Has anyone researched this area? Marilyn http://mark.asci.ncsu.edu/SwineReports/2001/03manbrett.htm

Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel

2005-07-09 Thread KinsleyForPrez08
Paddy, Actually, according to the President's FY2006 budget to Congress, his administration proposed an $18 billion cut from the Dept of Defense budget (compared to FY2005). I haven't finished looking to see if this was just hidden elsewhere (there were increases in National Defense in the

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread Tim Brodie
Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings Robert, Wouldn't it be nice if we could just trade passports, then I could vote against the nonsense that is going on in the states. Actually, when I was in France back in the 1980s, everyone assumed I was American because my French is so poor and All

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-09 Thread capt3d
hi, keith. In a message dated 7/8/05 2:22:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: todd, you make an excellent point. i still remember how stunned i was when i first heard how much feed/grain/meal goes into each unit of meat purchased at the supermarket. And none of it necessary, nor of any benefit

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread capt3d
intentional neglect, if you ask me. since the '70s the right wing (primarily) of the political establishment has been arguing that america's next great challenge was going to be terrorism. they dialed up this rehetoric considerably when reagan got ito office, and redoubled it after the

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Tim Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings Robert, Wouldn't it be nice if we could just trade passports, then I could vote against the nonsense that is going on in the states. Actually, when I was in France back in the 1980s, everyone assumed I was American because my French is so poor

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread capt3d
the u.s.a. allows dual-citizenship with a very few specific countries. -chris b. In a message dated 7/8/05 5:12:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Frantz wrote: USA don't allow dual citizenship I am a dual citizen of the USA and Switzerland. As far as being citizen of the world, many of

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread robert luis rabello
Tim Brodie wrote: I find it fascinating that virtually nothing has been said in this forum about London. Lots of argument about what each person thinks their unimpeachable sources of information say. Nothing about the current event that demonstrates the face of this evil, and the nature of

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread capt3d
hi, kim. perhaps my understanding of the political trajectory is more limited than i give myselfcredit for, but i've kind of had the notion that canada's political process was hijacked in the sameway as the u.s.' during the reagan era (though perhaps somewhat more discretely?). thanks for the

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread capt3d
yep, and just short months ago, you almost couldn't talk about abu ghreib without speaking gonzales' name breath thanks to his role in redefining the armed forces' interpretation of the word 'torture'. suddenly, given justice o'connor's resgination, the right and the complicit media arewasting no

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, Actually I think Canada was hijacked long before Regan, it was Trudeau that did it. He took a strong independent country and put in all kinds of extravegant government services. He gave the people $1.31 worth of services for every $1 we paid in taxes. This went on for 17 years, since

[Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead

2005-07-09 Thread r
Traditional agriculture is slowly killing the available land, which means more work for the rest of us who want to own land some day. What would be the necessary steps to restore, say, a former landfill site or a former gas station? ___ Biofuel

RE: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead

2005-07-09 Thread Bede
traditional agriculture isn't killing the land, its the massive intensive monoculture farming that's killing the land. there's also large areas tied up with such things as mines and munitions going back to the 2nd and first world war that prevent areas of land being used. a gas station doesn't

Re: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead

2005-07-09 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, There are still many areas where land is cheap because it has been burned out by cotton rot, too much corn growing and overgrazing. If you want to get into agriculture, I would suggest that this would be a better place to start than a landfill or service station. I bought this

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread Hakan Falk
Ryan, At 05:23 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote: snip What is the probability that they would love and be grateful to the Americans? Why are the Americans surprised, when the Iraqis do not love them? Is it not understandable that some of the Iraqis want to kill Americans, how would you react in their

Re: Fwd: [Biofuel] give up meat?

2005-07-09 Thread Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you want to eliminate meat from your diet, then you need to find another way of getting the protein meat provides. Actually, getting enough protein on a vegan diet is not at all a problem. However, you do have to eat legumes and carbohydrates to get a

Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel

2005-07-09 Thread 1michaelf
Unfortunately voting Libertarian had nothing to do with getting rid of these extreemists... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Paddy, Actually, according to the President's FY2006 budget to Congress, his administration proposed an $18 billion cut from the Dept of Defense budget

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread Appal Energy
Tim Brodie, I find it fascinating that virtually nothing has been said in this forum about London. Lots of argument about what each person thinks their unimpeachable sources of information say. Nothing about the current event that demonstrates the face of this evil, and the nature of the

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh

2005-07-09 Thread Doug Younker
Hakan, Rush Limbaugh represents the views of a substantial number of Americans, enough that we have the president and legislator we have today. Another broadcast celebrity here in America is Paul Harvey and some recent remarks by him advocating slavery, genocide and the use of nuclear and

Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel

2005-07-09 Thread RobertCVA
If you haven't seen the summary pie chart on federal incomes and outlays, I suggest checking out page 74 of http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040gi.pdf Bob In a message dated 7/9/2005 1:43:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paddy,Actually, according to the President's

Re: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead

2005-07-09 Thread Hal Galerneau
Hi Folks I've been reading this webb site for some time now and thank everyone responsible for it. I purchased an 82 Mercedes 300D and make my own biodiesel. Kim mentioned another area of concern There are still many areas where land is cheap. Would you elaborate more where these can be found.

Re: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead

2005-07-09 Thread RobertCVA
In the mid-Atlantic area where I live, it's sad to see prime agricultural land being turned into tracts for subdivisions, malls, and McMansions, the latter of which often have acres of lawn that must be cut, fertilized, etc., for no good purpose. Unfortunately the market doesn't capture

[Biofuel] the dead lands

2005-07-09 Thread MALONEKR
Search FRED KIRSCHENMANN of LEOPOLD CENTER for SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-09 Thread Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com
Keith Addison wrote: You'll find societies that ate mostly vegetables and not much meat, and others that ate mostly meat and very little vegetables or grain, but none that only ate vegetables and grains and no meat. Again, I don't think that I suggested that anyone else should eat only

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Hakan and all snip Here is the link to that respected talk show host. This is the entire transcript, all of what he said. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_070705/content/rush_is_r ight.guest.html I do not normally read or listen to him, because for me as a foreigner he is

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh

2005-07-09 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Doug Hakan, Rush Limbaugh represents the views of a substantial number of Americans, enough that we have the president and legislator we have today. Another broadcast celebrity here in America is Paul Harvey and some recent remarks by him advocating slavery, genocide and the use of nuclear