Maximum 96% by distillation, 192-proof, then it stops because of
azeotropism. The boiling temperature of 96% ethanol is lower than
that of pure ethanol. snip
With respect Keith, but if I'm not wrong, the boiling point of 96% is higher
than that of pure ethanol. At that percentage the
Thanks for all of the responses to my previous questions.
I have copies of the JTF plans and they seem ok, but is their
anyone here who actually does it?
Whilst I do not doubt that many of you are very knowledgable
in this area, there are many variables that make a huge
difference between
A few weeks ago, before the systematic failure of rescue and recovery
efforts became evident, I was puzzling over human foolishness in the
face of the incredible forces of nature.
http://ornae.com/35/katrina-slams-new-orleans-is-there-blame Shortly
thereafter, the Katrina story became
Coverage Of Hurricane Rita on the 'net
http://www.hurricanecity.com/ Live CNN feed link - upper right corner
http://www.click2houston.com/index.html LIVESTREAM: Watch KPRC's Coverage Of Hurricane Rita Watch KPRC Local 2's live continuous coverage of Hurricane Rita online. (Feed will be black
but they say they put out 28 tons of co2 in the same distance?
Hi Ray J, do you think they should have said 28 tons in 8000 miles, does
that seem more realistic. Chris.
Wessex Ferret Club
www.wessexferretclub.co.uk
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I don't recall if you gave your Geo-political location but this site
for US citizens has lots of information.
http://www.eere.energy.gov/consumerinfo/reading_resources/vb4.html
Brian Rodgers
P.S. Note the last tid-bit list below.
Making and Using Your Own Ethanol: Reading and Resource List
The
Hi!
Yes, the Philippine Coconut Authority office - Zamboanga Cityhave been producing home-brewed coco-diesel for a few years now and have been using them (20%) as additive for their cars.
They claim that due to the special catalyst used, their price is the lowest compared to the commercial
And old test is a US nickel(5 cent piece). A new nickel weighs 5 grams. The
newer the nickel the more accurate.
Greg O.
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Hi Patrick,
Its not that the government is not
strict about standards. The government doesnt have a standard in the
first place. The government with all its manpower (which we pay for with our
taxes) cannot or would not make a standard of its own. Take biodiesel
for example, I tried
IMHO, the difference in the pictures are a good evidence of cause of
the warming. But also, I don't think that a natural cycle would
account for this. Even over 100 years. Good old Mother Earth takes
thousands of years to go through these cycles and this one is
happening a little too fast.
Do you have a link to the phamplet?
Chris Tan wrote:
Hi Patrick,
It’s not that the government is not strict about standards. The
government doesn’t have a standard in the first place. The government
with all its manpower (which we pay for with our taxes) cannot or
would not make a
Hello all,
Just what exactly is it going to take to make sceptics believe that
global warming is real and a very serious problem?
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2005/09/23/2003272851
Ignore science at your peril
A comment on diesel #1 and #2. Both are a mixture of hydrocarbons, but #1 has
a lower molecular wt
range (C9 to C16), and that range is narrower. It a higher vapor pressure,
lower boiling
range(300-550 degrees F) and lower gel point as noted below. #2 (C9-C20) has a
broader molecular wt
Hallo,
You already know the answer to that question. As long as it does not
impact on either their bottom line or immediate family they will not
believe unless the government requires them to believe. Science is
for hire a good portion of the time. You remember that smoking didn't
cause
Ray,
so it uses around 26 tons of fuel in 800
miles but they say they put out 28 tons
of co2 in the same distance?
This is a the short version of a long-winded explanation as to why the
weight of carbon dioxide appears to be so disproportionate after burning
jet fuel (or any fuel).
I think my head just exploded...On 9/23/05, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ray, so it uses around 26 tons of fuel in 800 miles but they say they put out 28 tons of co2 in the same distance?This is a the short version of a long-winded explanation as to why the
weight of carbon dioxide
For heavy fuels of indeterminate chemical composition, I usually use
2.5 to 3 for a rule of thumb for lbs of CO2 produced for each lb of
fuel consumed. I was actually suprised that this example was about
the same weight of CO2 as fuel.
But very roughly put and depending on the efficiency of
Howdy Todd,
for every gram of carbon burned you produce 3.67 grams CO2
and most of the mass of jet fuel is carbon (by weight).
Appal Energy wrote:
Ray,
so it uses around 26 tons of fuel in 800
miles but they say they put out 28 tons
of co2 in the same distance?
This is a
I'm sure there were egyptians, greeks, romans, spaniards, britons,
russians, etc who saw the collapse of their respective civillizations
and empires well before it happened too. Why should the US fair any
better?
On 9/23/05, Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hallo,
You already
A windfall tax on big oil's excessive profits is a great idea. France is
already doing it.
Imagine the great strides that we could make with implimenting
alternative energy technologies mainstream if such a tax was a reality.
Although it will probably be a cold day in hell before Bush and
Mr.
So, can you just burn 192 proof ethanol in an engine? I can't see any
fundamental problem, other than a little decrease in burning
temperature from having an additional 4% non-combustible stuff in
there. But we are already using air that has ~80% non-combustible
nitrogen in it...
On 9/22/05,
It's called the Echo in the US, and since we have lots of E10 here in
the wintertime, I assume it is designed for that. It's not on the EPA
list of cars compatible with E85. I don't have any direct experience
with it though.
On 9/22/05, Patrick Anthony Opaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mike,
so the 1s and 0s fuse to become. . .what, imaginary numbers? well, no wonder then! if only i could tap into the magical power of my imaginary friends;surely that'd resolveall the technical barriers my perpetual motion machine keeps running into.
cheers,
-chris b.
mike weaver wrote:
Uh,
It's negative talk like this that keeps people from buying my magnet
gas-mileage enhancer. BTW, we only take cash now.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so the 1s and 0s fuse to become. . .what, imaginary numbers? well, no
wonder then! if only i could tap into the magical power of my
imaginary
We did that in the 70's
Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote:
A windfall tax on big oil's excessive profits is a great idea. France is
already doing it.
Imagine the great strides that we could make with implimenting
alternative energy technologies mainstream if such a tax was a reality.
Although it will
Consumers feel gouged on gas: poll - U.S. drivers cry foul and support
oil-company tax
http://tinyurl.com/8m6pp
Consumers feel gouged on gas: poll
U.S. drivers cry foul and support oil-company tax
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- A majority of Americans
are convinced they're being gouged at
I thought it only worked with coffee?On 9/23/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now that'll be a mess to clean up.Should've bought my keyboard coverwhen you had the chance...Fred Finch wrote: I think my head just exploded... On 9/23/05, *Appal Energy*
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL
Now that'll be a mess to clean up. Should've bought my keyboard cover
when you had the chance...
Fred Finch wrote:
I think my head just exploded...
On 9/23/05, *Appal Energy* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ray,
so it uses around 26 tons of fuel in 800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
So according to the New York Times, Carl Rove is in charge of
rebuilding New Orleans??(...)
no, the French will ...
/President Bush and a giddy Jacques Chirac shake hands on the deal./
BATON ROUGE, LA. - The White House
Anyone have any experience with this thing? Does it work as
described? My wife is interested in it.
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Hello all,
Just what exactly is it going to take to make sceptics believe that
global warming is real and a very serious problem?
A kick in the wallet apparently. Followed by repeated kicks in the
wallet. It appears that in some cases the wallet is the very seat of
human consciousness.
No one is really talking on the record but the chatter has been
around since the pretzel incident.
There was this, very interesting read:
A theme that has been widely documented in several books by
outstanding American scientific authors and other personalities is
the current US President's
I do not usually post my morning newsletter here as I have more
respect for this group's individual views and ability to convey their
opinions than my own. This morning I wrote about Rita (I write
something every morning). I include it here because I feel that it is
this group's insight that
http://www.alternet.org/story/25801/
Hugo Chávez Speaks
By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now!. Posted September 22, 2005.
In his first interview in the United States, the Venezuelan president
talks about President Bush, Pat Robertson and giving cheap oil to
America's poor.
Editor's Note: Democracy
ONCE YET AGAIN...
At the top of the Digest it says: When replying, please edit your
Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Biofuel
digest...
Nobody will read a message titled Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Digest, Vol
5, Issue 129 and it will foul up archives searches forever.
Sometimes exact science comes in handy, eh?
Other times yous justs gots to fills in the blanks.
Todd Swearingen
bob allen wrote:
Howdy Todd,
for every gram of carbon burned you produce 3.67 grams CO2
and most of the mass of jet fuel is carbon (by weight).
Appal Energy wrote:
Ray,
Hallo Zeke,
Your scope is a little narrow. Given global warming we are talking
about the world not just a country or two.
Happy Happy,
Gustl
Friday, 23 September, 2005, 10:25:52, you wrote:
ZY I'm sure there were egyptians, greeks, romans, spaniards, britons,
ZY russians, etc who saw the
Yes -- our capabilities have expanded alot since then. Some of those
other countries did take out their entire world too -- it just
happened to be one river basin was the extent of their reach. Global
warming does present more disturbing questions about rebuilding
however, since there is no
Chris and Patrick,
I agree onyour standards issue, the government can't make a standard. One time I searched and searched for the government's definition of "standard". I couldn't find it and they said try ISO. I found that "ISO" doesn't mean "standards" it is a word in itself. To me a standard
Huh? What do you think the S in ISO stands for?
http://www.iso.org/iso/en/ISOOnline.frontpage
Leon Hulett wrote:
Chris and Patrick,
I agree on your standards issue, the government can't make a standard.
One time I searched and searched for the government's definition of
standard. I
I don't know how much I would trust the DOE for certain things
anyway... I trust that their historical data on energy is accurate,
but the predictions, not so much. Have you looked at what they
project the price of a barrel of oil to be in 15 years? Somewhere
around $25. I suspect there
To Tanuki,
You might want to contact
Angelito Aboag.
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From: Angelito Abaoag
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Sent: Friday, May
07, 2004 10:53 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] start-up biodiesel
project
good day to all
I've been reading all
Sorry guys but I'm referring to the Philippine DoE.
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Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
I don't know
Ooops.
On 9/24/05, Chris Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry guys but I'm referring to the Philippine DoE.
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Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:10 AM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Hi all,
Dear Keith,
There was a message in the list about a
scientist,who patented a process to produce
bio-plastics from glycerin.I think it is very
important discovery regarding environmental situation
and therefor,with my deep apologies,could you point me
to the link,please?
Another
Hallo Zeke,
Friday, 23 September, 2005, 12:43:20, you wrote:
ZY Yes -- our capabilities have expanded alot since then. Some of those
ZY other countries did take out their entire world too -- it just
ZY happened to be one river basin was the extent of their reach. Global
ZY warming does present
Dear John, [I've always wanted to write that.]
I think it means just what ISO says it means:
http://www.iso.org/iso/en/aboutiso/introduction/index.html#three
What ISO's name means
Because International Organization for Standardization would have
different abbreviations in different languages
Hallo Folks,
Finally entering senility and answering my own mails:
Friday, 23 September, 2005, 14:07:11, I wrote:
...snip...
GSZ And I am wondering how many people are intelligent enough to wonder
GSZ what is happening rather than take the word of some talking heads
GSZ representing
Okay, this an admitedly anti-Bush source, but I have to say that he
makes a very convincing arguement, given the history of this
administration.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_mike_whi_050923_the_inevitable_war_w.htm
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Эсперанто, thats how the founder of esperanto spelled it however it is
an interesting concept though...
Mike Weaver wrote:
Esperanto!
JJJN wrote:
If you wish to learn what was said by those who offer their experience,
please google translation software and you can get some great help in
how in the hell can you put 1 pound of something in and get 3 pounds of
something out... everything i have ever been taught says thats not
possible
never mind... I dont even want to know... this is obviously wy
over my head... thanks a lot, now my brain hurts. :-(
One pound of fuel plus two pounds of oxygen from the air = 3 lbs of exhaust
On 9/23/05, Ray J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
how in the hell can you put 1 pound of something in and get 3 pounds of
something out... everything i have ever been taught says thats not
possible
never mind...
From: Chris lloyd wrote:
Just seen this on our BBC TV channel every 800 miles travelled by a
jumbo
jet dumps 28 tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. Chris
H,
The standard jumbo hop without refuelling, at least from
these here parts of the world, averages 8,000 miles.
When I look up a Boeing 747-200 I get about 365 tonnes for the total
take off weight, with a maximum fuel weight of about 160 tonnes, for a
range of 13,000 km. This translates into 480 tonnes of CO2 for a
8,000 mile trip.
For a smaller Airbus A320-200 the takeoff weight is 75 tonnes, with 18
Ray,
how in the hell can you put 1 pound of
something in and get 3 pounds of something
out... everything i have ever been taught
says thats not possible
Think of it like three different spherical magnets, one small, one medium and
one large. All of them weigh differently because
Dear Ray,
I think the problem is that the learned responders to your question
failed to start at the beginning. The weight of the carbon dioxide is
the sum of the weight of the fuel plus the weight of the oxygen from
the air that combines with the fuel. The weight of the oxygen is not
figured
At Keith's invitation, and hoping it serves to help or motivate others, here
goes.
Let me start by saying that small things are as important as big things - they
all
add up. I have been working away at these things for some time, so I hope the
list
doesn't induce sleep.
Perhaps the most
Richard,
You take one pound of fuel and add the weight of the oxygen
you pick up from the air as you fly and you get three pounds
out in the exhaust.
Don't forget to subtract the weight of the hydrogen that's burned off
before you add the weight of the oxygen.
Todd Swearingen
Tinkerer
A while ago I committed to updating my web page on reducing vehicular fuel
consumption. It's done now, but as a new page. You can view it here.
http://www.econogics.com/en/savefuel.htm
or navigate to it from the home page at
http://www.econogics.com/
Darryl McMahon
Keith, good idea. I'll
Hello all,
I have lurked on the list for many months... I am building my own
version of an appleseed based processor. I am looking at methanol
recovery, and was wondering what I can use (flexible tubing) for the
methanol?
My thought is to recover the methanol via applying a vacuum to
hi to alli'm just wondering how the gov. approved to use the the biofuels without setting up with a standard, i,m really confused about this.Chris Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Hi Patrick,
No, can't do that with Seaoil. They buy their biodiesel from Chemrez. Them
are the big boys. :-) Don't think they'd want to have anything to do with
us small boys. :-)
The two companies doing bio-diesel here are Senbel Fine Chemicals and
Chemrez. This is supposed to be another
I saw I article on the history channel about this machine marvels was the
heading but there are lots of those shows. I think you can get the articles
on line. All I can remember at this time is that the brits were the
inventors. Good luck with the search.
Derick.
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Dear Rumen,
I believe the link you're looking for is:
http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2005/050824.htm
I found this to be very interesting as well but unfortunatly not
enough so that I found out anything more (yet). If you do find out
more specifics, I, as well as others in the list I'm sure,
Could I get some information about why the plans for Ian's
methods http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor2.htmlfor
a vacuum processor uses Sulphuric Acid methoxide rather than Lye? in
simple terms.
Thanks, Gary
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Good point Keith...
Now that I am back on shore, I am looking for the pictures of the big block and small blocks that I have rebuilt, Robert.
Anyhoo, I am looking for the old "wind-up" flashlights and little gadgets of that sort. Anyone know of where (a website) to find these?
Thanks
TKKeith
Have no fear big brother will figure a way to filter a large % or possibly
all of the revenues for some new pay hike or something stupid. Something
like social security or road tax on California fuel doesn't go where it is
designated.
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You are combining the Carbon the Fuel with O2 from the air.
1C(12) + 2 O(16) = C02(44)
3.66 Times as much C02 out as carbon in.
Mark
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Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 2:37 PM
To:
S,
Look up hose or hydraulic in your area. If you're in the
U.S., you'll likely find a hose house near you. The choices that
these places offer are generally great. There are atleast three
advantages: you'll probably be supporting the local economy, they have
access to the catalogs and reference
Jeff,
Firstly, I really have been spending all my available time
reading posts here I mean researching my first system.My question is with
additives can Bio be used in colder climates?any stats on
that?
Possibly some others like us colder folks behind the
cheese curtain, could buy from
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