Biofuels: A Disaster in the Making
by Global Forest Coalition et al.
http://www.energybulletin.net/21845.html
Simone Lovera writes:
Dear all,
Please find below an alert to the Conference of the Parties of the
Framework Convention on Climate Change on the risks of biofuels. The
letter calls
Two articles:
http://deltafarmpress.com/news/061101-soy-oil/
'Colonel' changing recipe to low-linolenic soy oil
Nov 1, 2006 10:11 AM
By Forrest Laws
Farm Press Editorial Staff
Yum Brands, Inc., the company that owns 5,500 KFC restaurants across
the country, has announced it is making a
Running on Hype
The Real Scoop on Biofuels
By BRIAN TOKAR
CounterPunch, November 1 2006
http://www.counterpunch.org/tokar11012006.html
You can hardly open up a major newspaper or national magazine these
days without encountering the latest hype about biofuels, and how
they're going to save oil,
Mike,
I am glad you liked the article. We need to be agents of change, to
transform the
planet into one where peace and caring prevail. As individuals we need to
become
peaceful within ourselves, then we can radiate peace everywhere. Prayer and
continous positive affirmations can help rewire
Ah yes, Deepak Chopra, promoter of Ayuvedic medicine, where it is thought that
the consumption of
your urine is medically beneficial.
Nothing like a warm cup of piss to start the day...:0
http://www.indiangyan.com/books/therapybooks/Uropathy/my_personal_experiments.shtml
Once during my
Here is one of the best uses for small rail that I have ever stumbled across. Lightweight effecient and (somewhat) portable. Mass transit for the masses!
http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/Slap a small diesel on the speeder and you have a workable transportation solution that solves many problems.fred
Alright so my point is that mercury vapour is toxic. I have had
dentists tell me the mercury is locked up safely by the silver in the
amalgam and that makes it safe because it can't get in your body. This
one guy went on to say that mercury is a lot less toxic than the
paranoia suggests. He
' Hey Bob, where you goin with that gun in yer hand'...careful
there Bob, you might shoot yourself in the foot. If you are saying
that there is NOTHING in homeopathic products ( and repeating it 3
times) ( is that like tapping the heels of your shoes three
times?.lol) well then how can
I think you would be better to buy solar panels and inverters than gold
and silver but that's just my opinion.
Joe
D. Mindock wrote:
Hi Kirk,
I started buying gold and
silver. Also trying to get rid of debt. I think I better start
selling my IRA stock funds
while they are up
Bob,
While your at it be sure to spit it out on your hands and feet - Its also
supposed to cure cracked chapped skin, Please excuse me I must go brush and
gargle with peroxide and baking soda I'm just to big a coward to use urine
for anything but Compost activator. Sorry to sound skeptical
So the tests to determine the time weighted average, were they carried
out on a human being over say a 40 year period under controlled
conditions with 0.05 mg/m^3 and no confounding issues? Just how did
'they'decide that?
Joe
bob allen wrote:
Kirk McLoren wrote:
Yes and vapor
Hi D., Mike and all
Mike,
I am glad you liked the article. We need to be agents of change, to
transform the
planet into one where peace and caring prevail. As individuals we need to
become
peaceful within ourselves, then we can radiate peace everywhere.
Have you read this?
James...Bob is being facetious and a
fathead. Not judging, just noting. Mike DuPree
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From: "JAMES PHELPS" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:12
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Imaginal Cells by
Deepak Chopra
Bob,
Ah yes, Deepak Chopra, promoter of Ayuvedic medicine, where it is
thought that the consumption of
your urine is medically beneficial.
Nothing like a warm cup of piss to start the day...:0
Uh-huh, Bob, where's your data that it's not beneficial? Everybody
knows that, do they, no need for data?
The only use I have for it is dissolving jellyfish spines, and no I do not currently have any of those. So I do not need for you to urinate on my leg thanks, I can do that fine myself.
From:"JAMES PHELPS" [EMAIL
Bob...I gotta be honest,
it's fatheads like you that really piss off fatheads like me and maybe that's
why hope for anything but misery generally on this planet is all there really
can be. Nonetheless, it's also fatheads like you that make fatheads like
me take note that whatever hope for
Hallo Joe,
Thursday, 02 November, 2006, 10:05:46, you wrote:
JS ' Hey Bob, where you goin with that gun in yer hand'...careful there
JS Bob, you might shoot yourself in the foot. If you are saying that there
JS is NOTHING in homeopathic products ( and repeating it 3 times) ( is that
JS
Joe Street wrote:
Alright so my point is that mercury vapour is toxic.
the problem Joe is that the word toxic is meaningless without exposure
information (as you yourself allude to below). It is common sense that
less harm will result from less exposure of a toxin.
I have had dentists tell
Joe Street wrote:
' Hey Bob, where you goin with that gun in yer hand'...careful
there Bob, you might shoot yourself in the foot. If you are saying
that there is NOTHING in homeopathic products ( and repeating it 3
times) ( is that like tapping the heels of your shoes three
MK DuPree wrote:
Bob...I gotta be honest, it's fatheads like you that really piss off
fatheads
am I not supposed to feel offended if you offend yourself?
like me and maybe that's why hope for anything but misery generally on
this planet is all there really can be. Nonetheless, it's also
PLACEBO EFFECT .. ANIMALS/PLACEBO EFFECT .. ANIMALS / PLACEBO
EFFECT .. ANIMALS
Mary Lynn
Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister
ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART
TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification .
Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems .
Dave: Nice link, you solved one of the issue, what to use as a binder.
Jason: That is a very interesting idea. I was under the impression that
WVO does not burn clean due to the FFA's.
I was thinking of adding a burn ring to the stove so that it can do
waste oil burning but that too looked
Hi Jim
Bob,
While your at it be sure to spit it out on your hands and feet - Its
also supposed to cure cracked chapped skin, Please excuse me I must
go brush and gargle with peroxide and baking soda I'm just to big a
coward to use urine for anything but Compost activator.
In other words
bob allen wrote:
Joe Street wrote:
' Hey Bob, where you goin with that gun in yer hand'...careful
there Bob, you might shoot yourself in the foot. If you are saying
that there is NOTHING in homeopathic products ( and repeating it 3
times) ( is that like tapping the heels
Keith Addison wrote:
Ah yes, Deepak Chopra, promoter of Ayuvedic medicine, where it is
thought that the consumption of
your urine is medically beneficial.
Nothing like a warm cup of piss to start the day...:0
Uh-huh, Bob, where's your data that it's not beneficial? Everybody
knows
Hey Jeromie;
Look into termites. Yeah I'm not joshin you. Feed termites with the
wood and bind the dust they make with the glycerin. If you put the
termite pile in a sealed container then you can harvest the methane the
termites produce and use it as fuel as well ;)
Joe
Jeromie Reeves
MK DuPree wrote:
James...Bob is being facetious and a fathead. Not judging, just
noting. Mike DuPree
name calling, an effective way to win hearts and minds...
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From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Howdy Gustl
Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote:
Hallo Joe,
Thursday, 02 November, 2006, 10:05:46, you wrote:
JS ' Hey Bob, where you goin with that gun in yer hand'...careful there
JS Bob, you might shoot yourself in the foot. If you are saying that there
JS is NOTHING in homeopathic
Goin' to shoot my ol' lady caught her messin' around with another man...
bob allen wrote:
Howdy Gustl
Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote:
Hallo Joe,
Thursday, 02 November, 2006, 10:05:46, you wrote:
JS ' Hey Bob, where you goin with that gun in yer hand'...careful there
JS Bob, you might
Joe Street wrote:
I read this again and realized there is an unwritten assumption in your
statement. That is that one world government is bad. But I would
object that one world government might be exactly what this world
needs.so long as it is not controlled by capitalists that is.
Thats actually an effective polictical strategy. You may have heard of the
book in defense of negativity kind of interesting how people are moving
away from calm rational debate and more toward who can shout louder.
Interesting at least.
From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:
IF your future view is correct, why not wait to pay down debt? It will be cheaper to pay it off later after inflation, as long as the interest rate isn't too high.On 11/1/06,
D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Kirk,
I started buying gold and
silver. Also trying to get rid of debt. I
Hey Joe,
Joe Street wrote:
bob allen wrote:
Joe Street wrote:
' Hey Bob, where you goin with that gun in yer hand'...careful
there Bob, you might shoot yourself in the foot. If you are saying
that there is NOTHING in homeopathic products ( and repeating it 3
times) ( is that
IT WORKS FOR ME
JAMES PHELPS wrote:
Thats actually an effective polictical strategy. You may have heard
of the book in defense of negativity kind of interesting how people
are moving away from calm rational debate and more toward who can
shout louder. Interesting at least.
From: bob
EEEK!
ok mike I'll go back to biodiesel.
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:00:15 -0500
IT WORKS FOR ME
JAMES PHELPS wrote:
As I said, not judging, just noting. Mike DuPree
- Original Message -
From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra
MK DuPree wrote:
James...Bob is being facetious
Wait until the inflation starts, get a different
job and continue to pay your old debts with your inflated salary.
:-)
- Original Message -
From:
Paul S
Cantrell
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 2:59
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
Great relief to learn that they've got 'The farm of tomorrow' so well
planned.
J
I've just been reading through a call for research proposals by the European
Commission, 7th FRAMEWORK PROGRAMME
(http://ec.europa.eu/research/future/index_en.cfm)
There is one specifc call..
...no... do you suppose they never thought of it? it seemed kind of a
no-brainer to me...
Jason
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From: MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:40 AM
Subject: Re:
i think its not about biofuels, but cash cropping them that these people are
concerned.
Jason
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:44 AM
Subject: [Biofuel]
CORN AND SOY ARE HORRIBLE STOCK!!! game, set, match, period, end-of-story!
whyohwhy cant anyone but us realize that? i cant stand the ignorance
involved here.
Jason
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
(I know, I'm a firm believer in physical reality, and thats where I get in
trouble with those who accept supernatural explanations of natural
phenomena.)
-That's probably because some people are open-minded. By saying impossible,
we limit our perception on things and deny any other
I'm used to heating with wood anyways, so a wood gasifier is the first
thing that comes to mind. An old car engine with nothing to lose and
the capacity to have it's output at peak torque (peak efficiency)
halved would be just about the thing for any DIY:er. In box with noise
insulation and 3
Hi Mary Lynn...thanks for
your twoofferings. I'd like to know how you feel about something
said in many fewer words. What you offer is in itself wonderful and life
affirming. I know for my feeble brain, however, I need something stated in
just a few words. D. Mindock signs his posts with
D...I'd like to add a word,
a word you like to use when signing off on apost, and change a
preposition: "In peace and light I journeythrough forever." Mary
Lynn had a good idea for a prayer too, but for everyday, it seems just a few
words would be most helpful. I'll respond same to her.
You never know Jason until
you know. Don't know how you feel about approaching them personally, but
I'd find out who the head honcho is and just ask...won't do any good talking
with the secretary...gawd love 'em, we need 'em, etc etc...butknowing the
head honcho has the info and what he or
Hi Mike .. First, let me let you know that I am beyond joy in just the fact
that this group is actually discussing changing the world by envisioning
peace and light and I would love both yours and Ds permission to share this
simple prayer, affirmation, with some of my other groups and enlist
i have no problems at all asking those folks about
it, and you are welcome to come along for the show, but i have to warn you- my
motherinlaw lives five hours northeast of KC... but yes, i will let everyone
know (and maybe find myselfinstallinga genset in the local dump ;).
)any suggestions
I was thinking of a small Diesel that ran on Biodiesel pre heated heated
water for a gas boiler and ran when Power was needed during the day.
Automation would be a great thing here.
Jim
From: Arttu Aula [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Jason...I'd LOVE to come
along. If you're okay with it, I can get myself to your place and we can
go from there. Because of the distance, perhaps a preliminary phone call
would be appropriate, at least to find out who is the decision maker. I
would even go one step, maybe several steps,
Mary Lynn...glad to be a
part of it.For myself, yes, please, share with whomever. I
would suggest, however, that "what we are sa-a-a-y-ing" (Lennon/Ono, "Give Peace
A Chance) is first and foremost for each of us individually. If the world
changes as a result, wonderful...butter on the
My outlook is a bit different .. I can't give you something I don't have.
If I'm envisioning peace and light then it must come through and from within
me.
.. sort of like Reiki .. I'm a channel and must only allow the universal
energy to flow through .. actually peace and light has a very
Hi Mary Lynn...I totally
agree: "I can't give you something I don't have."Thank you for
clarifying. How many time zones are there on the planet? Two
down...how many more to go? "In peace and light I journey through
forever." MD
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From: "Marylynn Schmidt" [EMAIL
ive been doing some looking on ESG Watts, and im
not so sure we could actually accomplish anything. apparently james watts has
been sued in three counties over the last twelve yearsand is presently in
jail for contempt of court after refusing to pay over one million in fines for
EPA
very interesting...ok...so
you've identified a low priority prospect...save the bums for a rainy day.
What about closer to home? I'm willing to make calls on whomever,
Jason. Might help to have info on what it would take for a landfill to
sell their energy back to the grid. I'm not clear on
Jim: Well, sugar works well for ethanol and if the celulosic (?sp)
enzymes are ever developed, the residual pulp would work also. There has
been talk of an ethanol plant in the past but I, however, vote for a
rummery. That way, on a bad day, I could walk across the street and sample
the
Now that is a left field idea. They would surely make the wood to the
correct size. I did no think they put off that much methane.
I know they put off naptha. The time to produce workable material would
be long, or need a very large setup. Time I can
manage over summer, space I have little of. I
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