[Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell

2005-07-28 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, First I would like to say good luck on your new venture. Have you read the entire small farms library at JTF? It is a great place to start. Are you aware of just how much land 15 hectares is? To farm that much land, you are going to need some serious equipment. That is, if you

RE: [Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell

2005-07-28 Thread Tom Irwin
Hello Garth and Kim Travis, I have been reading extensively in the small farm library. It is one of my motivations for doing this. I always thought it would be too difficult or expensive. Yes, I know how much 15 hectares is. (A little more than 37 acres or 150,000 sq meters) It is just most of

Re: [Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell

2005-07-28 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Kim, Thursday, 28 July, 2005, 08:20:54, you wrote: GKT Greetings, GKT First I would like to say good luck on your new venture. Have you GKT read the entire small farms library at JTF? It is a great place GKT to start. GKT Are you aware of just how much land 15 hectares is? To farm

Re: [Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell

2005-07-28 Thread RobertCVA
While not a practical idea for most, I suspect, it would be nice to be able to "apprentice" with some Amish farmers. Some of the intensive, largelysustainable, farming practices that were relatively commonplace knowledge even as recent as 50 years ago in the USarenow a totallyunknown

Re: [Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell

2005-07-28 Thread Joe Street
To 'apprentice' with an Amish farmer may not only be impractical it may be practically impossible. I don't know the Amish but I live in the heart of Mennonite country which I believe is very similar. Old order Mennonites farm without electricity, engines and much mechanization. New order

RE: [Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell

2005-07-28 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings Tom, I am glad to hear you have been studying. The main reason I warned you about the size, is that I have half that much land and so far, I am barely using half of what I have. The learning curve is something else, regardless of how much studying we do. Unless of course you come

Re: [Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell

2005-07-28 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings Gustl, I agree that a 15 hectare farm is not much for an experience farmer with knowledge, experience and a whole community behind them. It is a very large piece of land for a couple, from the city, just learning to farm who don't have a community behind them. I know, I have half

Re: [Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell

2005-07-28 Thread robert luis rabello
Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings Gustl, I agree that a 15 hectare farm is not much for an experience farmer with knowledge, experience and a whole community behind them. It is a very large piece of land for a couple, from the city, just learning to farm who don't have a community behind

Re: [Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell

2005-07-28 Thread Greg and April
I love Dexter's. They are a great little triple purpose breed, and the fact they do better on tough feed than on concentrates is fantastic.I plan to have several when I get my land. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re[2]: [Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell

2005-07-28 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Joe, Thursday, 28 July, 2005, 10:08:23, you wrote: JS To 'apprentice' with an Amish farmer may not only be impractical JS it may be practically impossible. I don't know the Amish but I JS live in the heart of Mennonite country which I believe is very JS similar. Old order

Re[2]: [Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell

2005-07-28 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Kim, I do not think we are in disagreement about this but just approaching it from differing angles. Fifteen hectare in Uraguay should be plenty enough land for a team of horses, a cow, hog and some fowl as well. It is a matter of how one does things. In Bavaria they keep a team and

RE: [Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell

2005-07-28 Thread Tom Irwin
Greetings Garth and Kim, I anticipate a long learning curve but I have another job and so does my wife to support our family. I teach chemistry and environmental science so I have considerable time off. Historically that time off was for the farming community to plant and harvest so I'm

Re[2]: [Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell

2005-07-28 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings Gustl, We actually called our place: The Rose Colored Forest because we are a pair of dreamers. While I had never farmed, I had survived survival training in the Canadian military. I knew how to butcher, shoot and cook real food before we started. I know we would be much richer

Re: [Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell

2005-07-28 Thread capt3d
be very careful of the chupacabras! ;) -chris b.-Original Message-From: Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 'Biofuel@sustainablelists.org ' Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:03:54 -0300Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell We have foxes

Re: [Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell

2005-07-28 Thread Michael Redler
"Chupacabras, Wolpertingers and Jackalopes...oh my!" - Dorothy Mike[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: be very careful of the chupacabras! ;) -chris b.-Original Message-From: Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 'Biofuel@sustainablelists.org ' Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 28 Jul 2005