[Biofuel] Methanol From Trees

2004-10-28 Thread shashi kumar
Dear Friends, Why should we disturb the forest for the production of Methanol? Why cant we use the millions of acres of wasteland lying vacant ?I think we can grow millions of hardy and usefully trees like Pongamia,Neem,Tamrind and bushes like Jatropha,we should avoid monoculture. In South

RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-28 Thread Dan Volker
to mature is also a poor choice for harvesting. Dan V -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Younker Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees But from what I can tell

RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-27 Thread Peggy
: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees Howdy Kieth and Jemery and Tracy, Again I am going to stick to my guns: vide infra Keith Addison wrote: Jeremy Tracy Longworth wrote: Trees injured by the felling of neighboring ones are left to become infected by pathogen. These infected trees then produce

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-27 Thread Greg Harbican
: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees So what is the use of experience and an education? I will consider evaluating the forest service's ideas. Peggy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel

RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-27 Thread Peggy
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Harbican Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees Just that Peggy. You use your experience and education to consider the information given

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-27 Thread Keith Addison
Bob, the only thing that matters is whether its nutritional status is sound or not, for whatever reason. If it's not sound, it will be attacked by pathogens (ie pests, of whatever ilk), but even if you protect it, the plant won't be able to set good seed anyway, it just won't have the

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-27 Thread jeff younkin
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Harbican Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees Just that Peggy. You use your experience and education to consider the information

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-27 Thread Greg Harbican
they are. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 20:38 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees The feeling of driving through a burned forest and a logged forest are both disenchanting. The goals and motives

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-26 Thread Keith Addison
Trees injured by the felling of neighboring ones are left to become infected by pathogen. These infected trees then produce inferior seed which then grow into inferior stock. Whoa, sure sounds like a Lamarkian hypothesis to me!So if I cut the tail off my dog, she will have puppies

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-26 Thread bob allen
guns: vide infra Keith Addison wrote: Jeremy Tracy Longworth wrote: Trees injured by the felling of neighboring ones are left to become infected by pathogen. These infected trees then produce inferior seed which then grow into inferior stock. Whoa, sure sounds like a Lamarkian

RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update

2004-10-25 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Keith and Peggy ; I am working my way through these links, and it is perfect timing. I truely was starting to assemble the materials to make the Charles 803 from JtF web site. I didn't order the plansm but I could do it from the web site. I always wondered about that right angle elbow at

RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update

2004-10-25 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Keith and Peggy ; I am working my way through these links, and it is perfect timing. I truely was starting to assemble the materials to make the Charles 803 from JtF web site. Huh? WHERE on the JtF web site did you find any mention of Mr Warren and the Charles 803 still? It was all

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol update

2004-10-25 Thread ron
Any input will help. Ron Keith Addison wrote: Hello Peter Hi Keith and Peggy ; I am working my way through these links, and it is perfect timing. I truely was starting to assemble the materials to make the Charles 803 from JtF web site. Huh? WHERE on the JtF web site did you find any

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol update

2004-10-25 Thread Keith Addison
I am new around here but I am looking for info on methanol production. Any input will help. Ron I suggest you spend some time, or perhaps quite a lot of time, browsing the list archives, there's a lot to be found there. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Best wishes Keith Keith

RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update

2004-10-25 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Keith ; Keith wrote: Please make sure of just which website you're talking about, confirm that it ISN'T the Journey to Forever web site, and no need to tell us which one it is. Opps. So sorry about that. You are right. It was another web page which I had saved to my hard drive, so I

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol update

2004-10-25 Thread Legal Eagle
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exactAcronym=AFAIKFind=Find Luc - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:57 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update Hi Keith ; Keith wrote: Please make sure

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-25 Thread bob allen
Trees injured by the felling of neighboring ones are left to become infected by pathogen. These infected trees then produce inferior seed which then grow into inferior stock. Whoa, sure sounds like a Lamarkian hypothesis to me!So if I cut the tail off my dog, she will have

RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update

2004-10-25 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Keith ; Keith wrote: Please make sure of just which website you're talking about, confirm that it ISN'T the Journey to Forever web site, and no need to tell us which one it is. Opps. So sorry about that. You are right. It was another web page which I had saved to my hard drive, so

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-24 Thread Jeremy Tracy Longworth
Hello, I am an Arborist (tree care specialist) and have done research on our renewable resource trees. In the logging industry large stands of wood with little to no pathogen (mineral trace) bring the highest dollar amount. Whereas spindly, scrawny, weakling trees are of little to no

RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update

2004-10-24 Thread Peggy
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update Peter: Hi Peggy, Thanks for your post. I am tip-toeing here a little because I would never say I know as much as you about the ethanol/methanol debate. When someone knows more than me, my tendency is usually to shut up and listen. Peggy: I can send a copy

RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update

2004-10-24 Thread Jonathan Howell
I would like to hear about your product and its specifications. Please email me more info. Also, tell me if you have a website. Jonathan From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:29:23

RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update

2004-10-24 Thread Keith Addison
snip If you want to experiment with a backyard still, go to Robert Warren's site http://www.alcohol4fuel.com/id36.html and buy his still plans. I'd recommend not doing that - go anywhere else but! We know about Robert Warren and his still. In 1999 friends in Hong Kong introduced us to Mr

RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update

2004-10-24 Thread Peggy
] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update Hello Peggy snip If you want to experiment with a backyard still, go to Robert Warren's site http://www.alcohol4fuel.com/id36.html and buy his still plans. I'd recommend

RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-24 Thread Peggy
be a wise use of a waste resource. Thanks for the clarification and your expertise. Can you also give us some reference material? Thanks, Peggy Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees Hello, I am an Arborist (tree care specialist) and have done research on our renewable resource trees

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-23 Thread George Smiley
PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:00 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees Hi George, How is it that both state forestry people and federal forestry people have a different view? It has been repeated again and again within the areas that suffer the most forest fires

RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update

2004-10-23 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Peggy ; Thanks for your post. I am tip-toeing here a little because I would never say I know as much as you about the ethanol/methanol debate. When someone knows more than me, my tendency is usually to shut up and listen. Because I fully and absolutely intend to build a still and distill

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol update

2004-10-23 Thread Greg Harbican
I can understand that. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 05:06 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update SNIP Sorry for my long reply. I am trying to explain myself without offending anyone

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-22 Thread George Smiley
] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees Hello Peggy. Go to the following web page and you'll find every thing 1976 to present db for (cellulosic AND ethanol): 7284 US patents. http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2

Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery/first batch results

2004-10-22 Thread Keith Addison
what kind of a methanol recovery rate can I expect once I start doing that? Depends which stage you do it at, and what you want to do with the by-product. Easiest is taking back the methanol straight after processing, before separating the by-product, but this is inclined to cause a

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol update

2004-10-22 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Walt ; Thanks very much for your post. Your project and web site are fascinating. I have a project which hasn't taken form yet, but I hope it will be something like Windward. Only in a lot warmer climate (and quite regrettably for an expat like myself, outside the US). Possibly I wil buy

RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update

2004-10-22 Thread Peggy
Hello Peter, A few additional comments in the benefits of fuel ethanol over methanol follow. A complete distillery setup can lower electric bills due to the surplus generation capability from burning the unreacted biomass while producing ethanol and other products to sell (xylitol, furfural,

RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-22 Thread Peggy
of methanol from the forest slash. Best wishes, Peggy Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees These people use the same arguments that set us up in Canada and Australia and god knows where else for the woodchippers. That these little spindly, generally rewgrowth trees are useless, and here is a heaven

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-22 Thread Greg Harbican
the products ( many of the plastics that you see and use, started with methanol ) in our daily life, but, it is currently being made from fossil fuel. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 08:00 Subject: RE: [Biofuel

Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery/first batch results

2004-10-22 Thread John Guttridge
bottom, a thick white layer in the middle and a milky yellow layer on the top. interestingly my siphoned off biodiesel separated again over the following night into a perfectly clear yellow layer on the bottom and a milky yellow layer on the top. I have posted some images here:

Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery/first batch results

2004-10-22 Thread Joe . Guthrie
by: Subject: [Biofuel] methanol recovery/first batch results biofuel-bounces@ wwia.org

Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery/first batch results

2004-10-22 Thread Legal Eagle
, October 22, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery/first batch results I did the quality test and it resulted in a milky white layer on the bottom, a thick white layer in the middle and a milky yellow layer on the top. interestingly my siphoned off biodiesel separated again over

Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery/first batch results

2004-10-22 Thread Legal Eagle
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery/first batch results John, I am a novice at this too so others should feel free to criticize my remarks. I would suggest you titrate

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-21 Thread Hans Etienne Parisis
=lignocellulose+AND+ethanolRS=(lignocellulose+AND+ethanol Hans - Original Message - From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees It is possible to turn the cellulosic biomass into fuel ethanol

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-21 Thread Hans Etienne Parisis
Ethanol From Cellulose: A General Review http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/v5-017.html Hans - Original Message - From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees It is possible to turn

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-21 Thread Guag Meister
:31 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees It is possible to turn the cellulosic biomass into fuel ethanol instead of methanol. Peggy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-21 Thread Greg Harbican
PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 18:21 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees Hi Greg and All ; I have been reading with interest this thread. Does anyone have any specific process conditions for converting wood into methanol. I read somewhere that pyrolysis at normal

[Biofuel] methanol recovery/first batch results

2004-10-21 Thread John Guttridge
I got the product of my first conversion this morning and it looks straw yellow but a bit cloudy, should I let it sit to clarify or should I wash it? will the cloudiness wash out? does that mean that my reaction is incomplete? should I add more lye and methanol and reprocess? should I have

[Biofuel] Methanol update

2004-10-21 Thread Walt Patrick
Walt you out there? If so, would you care to chime in and add any new information? Haven't blown myself up yet :-) Don't know that there's anything I'd call new but it's more along the lines of the saying that the only thing new is the history you don't know. There have been so

re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery/first batch results

2004-10-21 Thread DHAJOGLO
I got the product of my first conversion this morning and it looks straw yellow but a bit cloudy, should I let it sit to clarify or should I wash it? You will need to do your meth recovery before you wash it as washing will remove the meth into the wash water where its harder to recover. will

RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-20 Thread Peggy
It is possible to turn the cellulosic biomass into fuel ethanol instead of methanol. Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Harbican Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 7:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-20 Thread Greg Harbican
. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:31 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees It is possible to turn the cellulosic biomass into fuel ethanol instead of methanol. Peggy

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-17 Thread Greg Harbican
PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 12:04 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees Hi Greg I have seen the Alternatives to Fossil Fueled Engine/Generators , before, but to me it looked like a guess work mixed with facts. I liked the looks of the alternative

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-17 Thread damiandolan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:00 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees Greg Harbican wrote: I really hope this is a technology that can be scaled down for home use. I have several trees ( and bushes ) in my yard that are causing

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-16 Thread Greg Harbican
Oxide Fuel Cells ) for their flexibility of fuel use and the high temperature of operation for co-generation, use for hot water or building heat. Greg H. - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:00 Subject: Re: [Biofuel

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-16 Thread Keith Addison
Greg H. - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:00 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees Greg Harbican wrote: I really hope this is a technology that can be scaled down for home use. I have several trees

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-15 Thread MH
Greg Harbican wrote: I really hope this is a technology that can be scaled down for home use. I have several trees ( and bushes ) in my yard that are causing problems, that I would like to turn into Methanol. Greg H. I happened to see your reply in the archives. There was something

[Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-13 Thread MH
University of Washington invents process to converts small trees to methanol 12-October-04 Source:The Spokesman-Review http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage1289.html Millions of scrawny, spindly trees choking Western forests could soon be harnessed as a clean source of renewable energy,

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees

2004-10-13 Thread Greg Harbican
, October 13, 2004 02:17 Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees University of Washington invents process to converts small trees to methanol 12-October-04 Source:The Spokesman-Review http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage1289.html Millions of scrawny, spindly trees choking Western forests could

[biofuel] Methanol and Plants ( was Re: Use for wash water )

2004-09-08 Thread Greg Harbican
I had this book, but, almost forgot were it was. Methanol Production and Use, Edited by: Wu-Hsun Cheng and Harold H. Kung ISBN: 0-8247-9223-8 1994 ( 10th printing ) Chapter 7 is all about methanol and agriculture. Here is some excerpts from it: On pages 255 and 256, the impression is given,

[biofuel] Methanol suppliers??

2004-08-22 Thread Kellen Springer
Alright, so I'm pretty new to this game and have made one batch of biodiesel using the 2 stage acid/base process. Everything went very well! I've built a vacuum processor out of a hot water tank and am very pleased by the performance of the fuel in my Dodge Ram 24 valve cummins. Here's the

[biofuel] methanol

2004-08-22 Thread ricknchar97
Where do I go to get methanol? Wold the local parts store, O'Reillys, have it? I see where someone paid 45.00 for 5 gallons?? Can you get smaller amounts? I am not even 100% sure this will be for me and I hate to get 5 gallons, make a small test batch and then give up on the idea.

Re: [biofuel] methanol

2004-08-22 Thread Keith Addison
Where do I go to get methanol? To the list archives? Wold the local parts store, O'Reillys, have it? I see where someone paid 45.00 for 5 gallons?? Can you get smaller amounts? I am not even 100% sure this will be for me and I hate to get 5 gallons, make a small test batch and then give up on

[biofuel] Methanol cost

2004-08-04 Thread Toby Schmid
[(No Subject Line) - Edited to add subject line.] Hello all, just getting started scrounging materials and such. Was wondering where a good source of methanol would be, and how much of a cost. I have scoured the internet and have come to the conclusion that methanol is exceedingly expensive,

[biofuel] methanol recovery

2004-07-29 Thread frag_lag
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[biofuel] methanol question

2004-07-28 Thread frag_lag
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Re: [biofuel] Methanol

2004-07-07 Thread robert luis rabello
Chris McKay wrote: Hi there! I'm new to the list and I thought I'd drop a line and say hi to everyone! I live in Kitimat BC, and coincidentally I work at Methanex, the world's largest producer of methanol. We also make ammonia at our plant here from the purge (excess) hydrogen from

Re: [biofuel] Methanol

2004-07-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[biofuel] Methanol

2004-07-06 Thread Chris McKay
Hi there! I'm new to the list and I thought I'd drop a line and say hi to everyone! I live in Kitimat BC, and coincidentally I work at Methanex, the world's largest producer of methanol. We also make ammonia at our plant here from the purge (excess) hydrogen from the methanol plant. I

Re: [biofuel] Methanol

2004-07-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Chris, welcome Hi there! I'm new to the list and I thought I'd drop a line and say hi to everyone! I live in Kitimat BC, and coincidentally I work at Methanex, the world's largest producer of methanol. We also make ammonia at our plant here from the purge (excess) hydrogen from the

[biofuel] Methanol purification

2004-06-30 Thread Teoman Naskali
Hi, im a beginner in biodiesel and have some questions. I am at the stage where im checking feasability and availability of materials. The methanol i have found is very expensive about 4.68 euros + tax per liter (99.5) which makes biodiesel more expensive than normal diesel. There is a cheaper

Re: [biofuel] Methanol purification

2004-06-30 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Teoman, welcome Hi, im a beginner in biodiesel and have some questions. I am at the stage where im checking feasability and availability of materials. The methanol i have found is very expensive about 4.68 euros + tax per liter (99.5) which makes biodiesel more expensive than normal

Re: [biofuel] METHANOL from PONGAMIA PODS/SHELLS

2004-06-27 Thread balaji
Hello Shashi, Sorry for this late posting. On this list, even 3 days seems a lot ;). Happy to learn of your interest in converting biomass to methanol. In theory at least, it should be possible to convert the Pongamia pods into methanol, the intermediate process being gasification. Atmospheric

[biofuel] METHANOL fromPONGAMIA SHELLS

2004-06-24 Thread mangiumshashikumar
DEAR BALAJI, Your message on SYNNTHESIS OFMETHANOL was very informative and useful I would appreciate if you or any one from our group could provide me process of utilizing the shells of pongamia in to methanol as of now we are planing to process bio-diesel in big way, since about 50% of the

[biofuel] METHANOL from PONGAMIA PODS/SHELLS

2004-06-24 Thread shashi kumar
balaji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Art, - Original Message - From: Art Krenzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Making Methanol from Glycerin ( was Re: Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans ) Bob, I

[biofuel] Methanol - 1000L IBC for re-sale *** UK ***

2004-06-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi All Next week I am having 1000L of anhydrous methanol dropped off for re-sale to bio-diesel producers. Anyone can buy as much as you like. It will be stored in 25L drums, which is enough to make 175L to 200L of biodiesel depending if you recycle methanol from the glycerol stream. I will also

RE: [biofuel] Methanol in UK - £20 for 25L

2004-06-05 Thread malcolm maclure
Mark, where are you getting your methanol from what spec is it. Iâm based in the NE (UK) Cheers Malcolm -Original Message- From: mark schofield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 June 2004 20:50 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Methanol in UK - £20 for 25L

Re: [biofuel] Methanol in UK - £20 for 25L

2004-06-05 Thread Harry Rankine
i have been offered 210 l drums for around £120 in edinburgh Harry. - Original Message - From: malcolm maclure [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 1:41 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Methanol in UK - £20 for 25L Mark, where are you getting your

RE: [biofuel] Methanol Supplier in The UK?

2004-06-03 Thread BEN ROBERTS
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Methanol Supplier in The UK? Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:18:34 - Hi, I'm looking to start producing some Bio-Diesel. But have come across a big stubling block. Where do I get methanol? So far I have only found it as an additive to ethanol in methylated

RE: [biofuel] Methanol Supplier in The UK?

2004-06-03 Thread mark schofield
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[biofuel] Methanol in UK - £20 for 25L

2004-06-03 Thread mark schofield
Luke Where are you based? I still have methanol at £20 for 25L. Mark Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now

[biofuel] Methanol Supplier in The UK?

2004-06-02 Thread initialised
Hi, I'm looking to start producing some Bio-Diesel. But have come across a big stubling block. Where do I get methanol? So far I have only found it as an additive to ethanol in methylated spirit at about £2.40/Litre I guess I could try using this but since I've never done it before I'd like

[biofuel] Methanol supplier in Redmond/Seattle area

2004-05-21 Thread Derek Sceats
Does anyone know of methanol suppliers in the Redmond/Seattle area? Thanks. Derek Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM

Re: [biofuel] Methanol and Sodium Hydroxide efficiant mixing method

2004-04-24 Thread Andrew Lowe
Keith Addison wrote: Hi Paul You knew it eh? LOL! Kevin, have to agree with you that the preparation of the methoxide can be a dangerous step. There are some good methods mentioned on JTF, but most of them take time. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#methmix Mixing

[biofuel] Methanol Based HEET for test batches

2004-04-21 Thread kline
There was some discussion about this awhile back I rememeber, but as soon as the semester is over, I will be maing a test batch or two, and I see that this stuff is cheap and readily available. What do you think? J.D. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Re: [biofuel] Methanol supplies

2004-04-19 Thread michael hicks
are no fun when they occur, especially at such a volume on the first go you have at it. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: michael hicks To: Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 6:49 AM Subject: [biofuel] Methanol supplies Hi all. I need to purchase some methanol for my first test batch

Re: [biofuel] Methanol supplies

2004-04-17 Thread Appal Energy
when they occur, especially at such a volume on the first go you have at it. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: michael hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 6:49 AM Subject: [biofuel] Methanol supplies Hi all. I need to purchase

[biofuel] Methanol supplies

2004-04-16 Thread michael hicks
Hi all. Have been studdying biodiesel for a while now building up apparatus and chemicals etc. Want to try my first test batch but have had difficulty in finding a Methanol supplier who will deal with Jo puplic. I don't think my work would appreciate me having Methanol delivered otherwise id

[biofuel] Methanol supplies

2004-04-16 Thread michael hicks
Hi all. I need to purchase some methanol for my first test batch 25ltr would be nice but am having proplems with chemical companys not dealing with jo public. Anyone know of eny freindly suppliers in the Bristol U.K. area Cheers Myke - Yahoo!

Re: [biofuel] Methanol and Sodium Hydroxide efficiant mixing method

2004-04-13 Thread michael meeks
hear the flake anymore - Original Message - From: Kevin Shea To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:17 AM Subject: [biofuel] Methanol and Sodium Hydroxide efficiant mixing method Does anyone have suggestions on the best way to agitate the Lye powder

Re: [biofuel] Methanol and Sodium Hydroxide efficiant mixing method

2004-04-13 Thread gobie
Kevin, have to agree with you that the preparation of the methoxide can be a dangerous step. There are some good methods mentioned on JTF, but most of them take time. To get around the NaOH dissolving in methanol problem I have developed a method of using NaOH in the form of a concentrated

Re: [biofuel] Methanol and Sodium Hydroxide efficiant mixing method

2004-04-10 Thread Kevin Shea
Thanks for everyones input. I'll give the shake method a try and also try some of the other suggestions in the near future. -Kevin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methanol and Sodium

Re: [biofuel] Methanol and Sodium Hydroxide efficiant mixing method

2004-04-09 Thread Sven Merten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 9:17 PM Subject: [biofuel] Methanol and Sodium Hydroxide efficiant mixing method Does anyone have suggestions on the best way to agitate the Lye powder into the methanol? I use a type 20 Lightning mixer (with small

[biofuel] Methanol and Sodium Hydroxide efficiant mixing method

2004-04-08 Thread Kevin Shea
Does anyone have suggestions on the best way to agitate the Lye powder into the methanol? I use a type 20 Lightning mixer (with small propeller agitator), but have problems with the dissolving of Sodium Hydroxide I mix 3.75 liters of methanol to the appropriate amount of sodium hydroxide in

Re: [biofuel] Methanol and Sodium Hydroxide efficiant mixing method

2004-04-08 Thread Keith Addison
Does anyone have suggestions on the best way to agitate the Lye powder into the methanol? I use a type 20 Lightning mixer (with small propeller agitator), but have problems with the dissolving of Sodium Hydroxide I mix 3.75 liters of methanol to the appropriate amount of sodium hydroxide in

Re: [biofuel] Methanol and Sodium Hydroxide efficiant mixing method

2004-04-08 Thread RGMTRUCK
In a message dated 04/08/2004 3:23:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: mix 3.75 liters of methanol to the appropriate amount of sodium hydroxide in a 5 gallon carboy (with small hole drilled in cap) and let mix for 15 minutes. My problem is that the sodium hydroxide fails

Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2004-03-31 Thread gobie
- Original Message - From: Kenneth Kron Catching up on ancient email. If one continues mixing until the reaction is complete and I have not heard of any evidence that indicates separation is required for the reaction to complete and then introduces into the reactor enough acid to

Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2004-03-29 Thread Kenneth Kron
Catching up on ancient email. If one continues mixing until the reaction is complete and I have not heard of any evidence that indicates separation is required for the reaction to complete and then introduces into the reactor enough acid to quench the sodium catalyst then I see no reason why

[biofuel] Methanol suppliers UK?

2004-03-18 Thread jimhope70
Can anyone tell me where i can purchase methanol in the UK...preferably Scotland Thanks Jim Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to

Re: [biofuel] Methanol suppliers UK?

2004-03-18 Thread fox mulder
--- jimhope70 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Can anyone tell me where i can purchase methanol in the UK...preferably Scotland Thanks Jim Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: No you can not you need

[biofuel] Methanol priceing+Neil Young

2004-03-15 Thread matshel3000
x-charset ISO-8859-1Hi All Thanks to Todd.S, Rick.M/ and AM for your comments and the hunt will continue. I will keep you posted as to the best price I can get on the Methanol. Did you here about the Neil Young tour. All 17 vehicals are on Bio Diesel. Very Cool and hats off to him. Matthew

[biofuel] Methanol usage and storage ???

2004-03-11 Thread matshel3000
x-charset ISO-8859-1Hi All I am in prosses of setting up a Biofuel set up and have been calling around for Methanol prices. The lowest cost I have found is $1.08 per gallon from Bren-Tag (800 577 7245) in Los Angeles and that is for a 55 gallon drum of the stuff deliverd to my door. Which at a

[biofuel] Methanol Price correction

2004-03-11 Thread matshel3000
x-charset ISO-8859-1My quote for the Methanol price yesterday was wrong. A 55 Gallon drum of the stuff is in fact about $225 for one drum plus $25 deposit on the drum plus shiping and tax. So it ends up being about $300 per drum or $5.50 per gallon. If the mix requiers 20% methanol that makes

Re: [biofuel] Methanol Price correction

2004-03-11 Thread RGMTRUCK
I just bought a drum of Methanol from my local oil dealer. I paid $126.50 plus $25.00 drum deposit. That probabaly won't help you because I am in Michigan but you should be able to find it cheaper than $300.00 Rick M Brownstown, Mi My quote for the Methanol price yesterday was wrong. A 55

Re: [biofuel] Methanol Price correction

2004-03-11 Thread Appal Energy
Message - From: matshel3000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:35 AM Subject: [biofuel] Methanol Price correction My quote for the Methanol price yesterday was wrong. A 55 Gallon drum of the stuff is in fact about $225 for one drum plus $25 deposit

[biofuel] Methanol source

2004-03-10 Thread C.J. and Shelley
x-charset ISO-8859-1I am new the the art of biodieseling, and was wonder what the best (cheap!) source for good methanol in the bay area is? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT

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