Pity about mass transit - wouldn't use as much oil I suppose. :-(
http://ens-news.com/ens/may2003/2003-05-15-10.asp
Bush Rolls Out Transportation Spending Plan
By J.R. Pegg
WASHINGTON, DC, May 15, 2003 (ENS) - The Bush administration unveiled
a $247 billion, six year transportation spending
My brother was driving through the desert in Namibia a few weeks ago and fell
asleep at the wheel. He ended up on the other side of the road and hit
(sideswipped) a power pole (which woke him up). He was fine and the car
drivable, but it could have been much worse (as he points out - he could
This report has something to say about travel in the US - whatever
happened to the old WWII fuel-saving slogan Is your journey really
necessary? Just how often, or how seldom, is the answer really
yes? Chuck in the food miles issue (food travels an average 1,500
miles to reach US supermarket
and if they don't make it on time they are penalized ).
Greg H.
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From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 14:59
Subject: Re: [biofuel] 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002
At 10:23 AM 5/1/2003 +1000, you wrote:
On Thu, 1
On Sun, 4 May 2003 03:00, you wrote:
One problem ( that I don't know what the rate is elseware ) that we have in
the western US, due to allot of the long miles between stopping points, is
a fairly high rate of auto accidents due to Highway Hypnosis, and drivers
falling asleep behind the
At 10:23 AM 5/1/2003 +1000, you wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2003 09:50 am, Hakan Falk wrote:
Dear John,
I think we can discuss which type of statistics that is
the right one and the truth is that it is no single one that
give a complete picture.
Do we all agree that it is too high a figure?
Hakan Falk wrote:
The training, tests and exams are more extensive. Skidding training
are mandatory and certificate is necessary for drivers licence.
Yes, US driver training is utterly horrible. And driver discipline is
worse.
Germany have much better statistics than US, that is a fact.
Accidently sent this to Vern directly.
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From: Andrew Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: [biofuel] 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002
Date sent: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:32:20
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Todd Swearingen
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From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002
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From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel
safer --- I know that
it is reputed that American's don't walk, but is there another statistic
crooking the books ?
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From: Hakan Falk
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002
I hear about massive accidents on the German autobahn all the time. I
remember my sister telling me how she was so scared because everyone
drove extremely fast.
You can't just compare x deaths out of n people. Like any statistic it
depends on everything else remotely related to it.
Hakan Falk
Martin,
You are very right, the most common professional way to compare is
accidents per vehicles and/or distance driven. For those countries that
we have been talking about, it does not make a very large difference.
It would be very skewed if we started to include countries like India
or
Dear Hakan,
For the US, accidents per vehicle would not be valid, since many drivers own
and operate two, three, or more vehicles. When I used to live and work in the
US, I put around 30,000 miles/year on three vehicles. Wouldn't my risk of an
accident, as a driver, have to based on my 30,000
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From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 19:05
Subject: Re: [biofuel] 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002
Ahlrighty then,
Just for conversational purposes, what might be the rights of US
individuals
Dear Derek,
Such info is not available and it is therefore I am saying that for
the top 20 industrial countries, the population per accident is
probably the best. If you go beyond the top 20, the information
is definitely not correct. So we are back to agree that Andrew's
assumption when
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To compare driving fatalities of the USA with other countries on a per capita
basis is worthless. There needs to be consideration of the higher
miles/person
driven in a year.
This is true. It wouldn't surprize me in the least to find out that
Americans drive
: Sunday, April 27, 2003 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To compare driving fatalities of the USA with other countries on a per
capita
basis is worthless. There needs to be consideration of the higher
miles/person
driven in a year
]
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From: Alan Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To compare driving fatalities of the USA with other countries on a per
capita
basis
On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 01:52 pm, murdoch wrote:
As I mentioned last month, I am in favor of looking into greater
computer control of vehicles, or, more accurately, gradually increased
automated vehicle driving and warning systems, integrated with driver
command, to reduce traffic deaths. I
On 24 Apr 2003 at 20:52, murdoch wrote:
As I mentioned last month, I am in favor of looking into greater
computer control of vehicles, or, more accurately, gradually increased
automated vehicle driving and warning systems, integrated with driver
command, to reduce traffic deaths. I believe
Andrew,
You have a large number of countries that have the same
ratios or some even better than Australia,
The Netherlands
Germany
Switzerland
Norway
Finland
Denmark
Sweden
UK
etc.
I always wondered why US, with corresponding speed limits,
have such a high fatality rate. It is not my
Andrew,
You have a large number of countries that have the same
ratios or some even better than Australia,
The Netherlands
Germany
Switzerland
Norway
Finland
Denmark
Sweden
UK
etc.
I always wondered why US, with corresponding speed limits,
have such a high fatality rate. It is not my
the
makings for the bad stew of delusion.
Greg H
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From: Andrew Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 18:34
Subject: Re: [biofuel] 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002
I am constantly amazed that some Americans claim that it
violates
Comments below.
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 10:00
Subject: Re: [biofuel] 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002
I thought at first the whole idea might be because US cars are
generally big
Andrew:
I am replying to this second-hand because of a messup with my email
program.
1 death per 6546 in the USA
Vs
1 death per 11304 in Australia
This means that you are nearly twice as likely to die on the roads in
the US as you are in Australia.
By one way of looking at things.
:34
Subject: Re: [biofuel] 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002
I am constantly amazed that some Americans claim that it
violates their constitutional rights if legislation is brought in that
enforces seat-belts/helmets and allows random breath testing. Using
the above figures, it could
At 10:37 AM 4/26/2003 -0600, you wrote:
Comments below.
-- Perhaps it is the drivers after all
is said and done, and not the vehicles that are dangerous.
Greg H.
In Texas, at least, it is the driver instruction. It is a total joke. I
have held an instructors licence in Alberta, Canada for
To compare driving fatalities of the USA with other countries on a per capita
basis is worthless. There needs to be consideration of the higher miles/person
driven in a year. People do everything by car in the US, from shopping,
working, commuting, entertainment, to the Sunday drive for no
Keith,
I made close to 3,000,000 km in my life and around
40,000 of them in US. Apart from the discussion about
SUV and heavy vehicles, in which we have some clear
common points, I have some other opinions concerning
the majority of accidents in US.
It is my experience, that in most parts of
Kim,
I wrote my opinion before i read yours and tried to
avoid US bashing. Since you so bluntly are saying
what I wanted, I can only second it.
Hakan
At 01:17 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
At 10:37 AM 4/26/2003 -0600, you wrote:
Comments below.
-- Perhaps it is the drivers after all
is
Andrew Lowe wrote:
I think you are getting a bit carried away with computer
control of vehicles when a bit of common sense will nearly halve the
US road toll. By way of example, lets compare and contrast Australia
with the USA.
Both countries are affluent, with high standards
At 07:06 PM 4/26/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Andrew Lowe wrote:
I think you are getting a bit carried away with computer
control of vehicles when a bit of common sense will nearly halve the
US road toll. By way of example, lets compare and contrast Australia
with the USA.
Both
Martin,
I made a mistake, Denmark have the lowest accident rate per
square mile, forgot that Greenland is a part of Denmark. Australia
is only the second lowest.
Hakan
At 01:41 AM 4/27/2003 +0200, you wrote:
At 07:06 PM 4/26/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Andrew Lowe wrote:
I think you
Curiosity gives cause to the question,
How may ways are there of looking at dead?
Todd Swearingen
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From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002
Andrew
: Saturday, April 26, 2003 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002
I would go so far as to say that most Americans have not the foggiest
idea,
of what the constitution is about let alone what it means for them. Add
into it, the fact that many politicians have given people
.
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002
Andrew,
You have
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