On Sat, 25 May 2002 17:05:42 +0900, you wrote:
Murdoch wrote:
One has to note that new chemicals, drugs, GM crops, iffy stuff
promoted by the big guys does not exactly receive the same treatment.
What do they call it? - substantive equivalence, or something.
But, if this is what it sounds
Actually what probably will happen long before that is small producers will
pop up all over the place, selling bootleg biodiesel without the tax, just as
we've seen with moonshine, tobacco, drugs, guns, and everything else the gov't
has stupidly tried to exert onerous taxes or other controls
Murdoch wrote:
One has to note that new chemicals, drugs, GM crops, iffy stuff
promoted by the big guys does not exactly receive the same treatment.
What do they call it? - substantive equivalence, or something.
But, if this is what it sounds like the idea that new substances
may be
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From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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of biodiesel under a given amount won't have to conduct
Health Affects studies any more than small volume dino-diesel
the answer sometime before
all your teeth fall out.
Todd Swearingen
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From: Appal Energy
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 10:33:49PM -0400, Appal Energy wrote:
Now that everyone knows how much cleaner biodiesel is in
comparison to dino-diesel, which was pretty much a given by
everyone even before the tests, there will be a lag time before
producers of biodiesel under a given amount won't
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One has to note that new chemicals, drugs, GM crops, iffy
stuff
promoted by the big guys does not exactly receive the same
treatment.
What do they call it? - substantive equivalence
Some of my time as an activist has been spent piecing together clues
and then stating an opinion or hypothesis which seemed to fit the
clues, before I was really able to test the idea. The article below
does bring to mind some things I've been thinking about as to the
powers that be preventing
murdoch65 wrote:
Some of my time as an activist has been spent piecing together clues
and then stating an opinion or hypothesis which seemed to fit the
clues, before I was really able to test the idea. The article below
does bring to mind some things I've been thinking about as to the
powers
Ken wrote:
Out of curiosity, does anyone know the logistics of fuel ethanol
production and distribution in Brazil? That might be a typical model,
since the feedstock is widely distributed and the process is fairly
low-tech. Is the system down there dominated by a few big agri-
businesses,
On Wed, 22 May 2002 10:52:12 -0500, you wrote:
Ken wrote:
Out of curiosity, does anyone know the logistics of fuel ethanol
production and distribution in Brazil? That might be a typical model,
since the feedstock is widely distributed and the process is fairly
low-tech. Is the system down
Who was the small producer and is there a news link to a local paper
or something that covered this?
MM
There's also been a major thread here on things being made
difficult/impossible for small biodiesel producers in the US unless
they join the National Biodiesel Board and pay big bucks: ie,
I think a major factor is how fluctuating the oil prices have
affected the Brazilian government subsidies for ethanol. Another
factor would be the role of Brazil's oil company, Petrobras, as well
as deregulation..
Although all fuel sold in Brazil is now required to contain at least
22
Who was the small producer and is there a news link to a local paper
or something that covered this?
MM
Yellow Biodiesel, much discussed here and elsewhere, several press
reports. The main thread here was called EPA hassle. Unfortunately
much of it is involved a preposterous and distracting
(now Oceanair Environmental)
has a 10 million gallon/year production facility, is biodiesel commercially
available in Florida? Is biofuel ready for the pumps?
Not sure and yes U.S. Maps Showing Alternative Fuel Stations
http://www.afdc.doe.gov/refuel/usmaps.html
What are the major
Hi Eric
I once read that the price of producing biodiesel is proportional to the
ammount being produced, that is to say its not particularly cost
prohibitive to produce 500 gallons vs 5 million gallons.
If this is true, how about distributed production?
We often discuss that here - local
Keith wrote:
In fact, though, distributed production already exists, in the form
of the thousands of people all over the US, and the world, who are
making their own biodiesel. Distributed distribution though, that's
another question. Very important one.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know the
Ken wrote:
Keith wrote:
In fact, though, distributed production already exists, in the form
of the thousands of people all over the US, and the world, who are
making their own biodiesel. Distributed distribution though, that's
another question. Very important one.
Out of curiosity, does
Keith Addison wrote:
Ken wrote:
Keith wrote:
In fact, though, distributed production already exists, in the form
of the thousands of people all over the US, and the world, who are
making their own biodiesel. Distributed distribution though, that's
another question. Very
On Mon, 20 May 2002 00:51:32 -0400, you wrote:
Consumers won't gleefully pay for a more expensive fuel. How about using DOE
Clean Cities Grants to lower the price in urban areas? B100 and B20 is
available here in Philadelphia, PA at the local fuel terminal. The customers
just are not fuel
I once read that the price of producing biodiesel is proportional to the
ammount being produced, that is to say its not particularly cost
prohibitive to produce 500 gallons vs 5 million gallons.
If this is true, how about distributed production? The green grease
machine
My name is Eric Hanson, I help out with ShouldExist.org, a virtual think
tank about ideas to make the world a better place. We're having a
brainstorm about what it takes to get biofuels at the pumps and into the
mainstream, and I was wondering if the folks in this group might be able
to shed
Hello Eric
My name is Eric Hanson, I help out with ShouldExist.org, a virtual think
tank about ideas to make the world a better place. We're having a
brainstorm about what it takes to get biofuels at the pumps and into the
mainstream, and I was wondering if the folks in this group might be able
about whether or not biofuel is
cost-viable at this stage. Some say it's cheaper, some say no. The
major US producer of biofuels, NOPEC (now Oceanair Environmental) has a
10 million gallon/year production facility, is biodiesel commercially
available in Florida?
Is biofuel ready for the pumps
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Keith Addison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Hello Eric
My name is Eric Hanson, I help out with ShouldExist.org, a virtual
think
tank about ideas to make the world a better place. We're having
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