: Friday, April 25, 2003 2:10 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
You think that's right on the mark too?
Yep...stealing from the rich is no more honest than stealing from the
poor.
I forget who said that our system of government would fail when
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve Spence wrote:
This guy is right on the mark!
Uh-huh... James Madison said during the constitutional convention
that the main goal of the new system had to be to protect the
minority of the opulent against the majority
"You think that's right on the mark too?"
Yep...stealing from the "rich" is no more honest than stealing from the
poor.
I forget who said that our system of government would fail when the voters
figured out that they could vote to steal other people's property. It is
"You think that's right on the mark too?"
Yep...stealing from the "rich" is no more honest than stealing from the
poor.
I forget who said that our system of government would fail when the voters
figured out that they could vote to steal other people's property. It is
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From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 2:10 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
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You think that's right on the mark too?
Yep...stealing from the rich
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What about Repr
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What about Representative Ron Paul? -BRAH
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From: Kris Book [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
After looking at the US American presidential
Historical Election Results
http://gi.grolier.com/presidents/results/restable.html
I thought this reference would help.
Year
Amen.
Greg H.
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From: Kris Book [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 18:53
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The American system could work fairly well with a few minor
adjustments, like limits on campaign
What about Representative Ron Paul? -BRAH
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From: Kris Book [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 7:53 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
The American system
yep, and it's the electoral vote that counts in this country, not the
popular vote.
Steve Spence
My guess is most people figured that out
but just in case, Steve has seconded the
emotion.
If anyone would like to check the results --
U.S. National Archives Records Administration
And the magic is finding a way to do it without
sending good money after bad, and ending up accused of supporting a dictator
or having local bullies take all the assistance,
vs trying to affect some change, and be accused of sticking your
nose in other peoples business.
naturally, if you are
The Founding Fathers hated democracy, having not only evaluated it
historically (and found it flawed), but observed it in action in the French
Revolution.
Americans having the right to disagree with the US government has nothing to
do with democracy.
-Guy-
You obviously don't believe in a
Sorry Guy,
by the people for the people sounds very much like the Greek,
Demos = people
Kratein = rule
Introduced in Athen after the war against the Persers 480 BC.
You might be wrong about your Founding Fathers. They might
not have liked the French variant of it, but democracy YES. They
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 04:55:33 +0900, Keith Addison
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http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15656
How We Lost the Victory
By Ted Rall, AlterNet
April 16, 2003
NEW YORK - We wanted it to be true. It wasn't.
The stirring image of Saddam's statue being
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Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:38 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
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Sorry Guy,
by the people for the people sounds very much like the Greek,
Demos = people
Kratein = rule
Introduced in Athen after the war against the Persers
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From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:38 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
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Sorry Guy,
by the people for the people sounds very much like the Greek,
Demos = people
Kratein = rule
Introduced
Hakan Falk wrote:
I do not understand why you think that parliamentary democracy
has anything to do with mob rule. I have never heard such a stupid
definition of democracy and never experienced it either. I have to
ask you what the opposite alternative is?
It is the besetting vice of
a
time...'?
No said her father they often start with 'Vote for me and...'
Kirk
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From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:22 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
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Kirk,
At 07:47 AM 4/22/2003 -0600
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Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:22 AM
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Kirk,
At 07:47 AM 4/22/2003 -0600, you wrote:
Hakan, a republic is a government based on law -- not democratic mob
rule.
A democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep
Sorry, Hakan - By the People... (buy the people?) was made up by Abraham
Lincoln, the Father of our current unConstitutional Federalist Leviathan,
it's NOT in the Declaration of Independance nor the US Constitution (nor
even the Articles of Confederation)
-Guy-
Sorry Guy,
by the people
Dear John,
I do not think that voting in a mob is a democracy, maybe you
could call it an illegal democratic decision. We have seen many
misuse of the democratic systems, maybe one very recent one.
The thing is that we do not have anything better and with a lawful
parliamentary democracy you
Guy,
OK, I give up. With so many Americans telling me that
US is NOT a democracy and it is NOT democratic, I think
that the experts have made their point. Why should I have
to act like a proud American in this case? I am not and when
I had the chance, I choose not to stay in US. Not because I
Sorry, I slipped.
Note that neither Socrates nor Plato knew about the American
judge Lynch, he is a more recent democratic phenomena.
Should be,
Note that neither Socrates nor Plato knew about the American
judge Lynch, he is a more recent republican (as in Republic,
not the party) phenomena.
The American system could work fairly well with a few minor
adjustments, like limits on campaign spending and term
limits. We must stop candidates from buying their posts and
there is no place on this planet for long term politicians.
They are an abomination, every one of them sells out to big
, April 22, 2003 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
Sorry, Hakan - By the People... (buy the people?) was made up by Abraham
Lincoln, the Father of our current unConstitutional Federalist Leviathan,
it's NOT in the Declaration of Independance nor the US Constitution (nor
Doug Foskey wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:10, you wrote:
Dear Tom,
Why do you think I am American citizen and that I
live in the US. This is a very International list.
Hakan Falk
At 03:22 PM 4/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Apparently many posters here feel that the US is a horrible
place to
Dear Tom,
Why do you think I am American citizen and that I
live in the US. This is a very International list.
Hakan Falk
At 03:22 PM 4/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Apparently many posters here feel that the US is a horrible
place to live. Where else would you prefer to live? And of
course
power and punitive authority as taught by the recently ousted regimes in
Afghanistan and Iraq?
Surely not.
Todd Swearingen
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Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 3:22 PM
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to any country
that does not allow its citizens the right to free speach.--- On Fri 04/18,
tboonefisher lt; [EMAIL PROTECTED] gt; wrote:
From: tboonefisher [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Fri, 18 Apr
2003 15:22:47 -0500Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory Apparently
many
and punitive authority as taught by the recently
ousted regimes in
Afghanistan and Iraq?
Surely not.
Todd Swearingen
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From: tboonefisher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 3:22 PM
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?
Surely not.
Todd Swearingen
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From: tboonefisher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
Apparently many posters here feel that the US is a
horrible
place
by the recently
ousted regimes in
Afghanistan and Iraq?
Surely not.
Todd Swearingen
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From: tboonefisher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
:22 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
Apparently many posters here feel that the US
is a
horrible
place to live. Where else would you prefer to
live?
And
of
course WHY don't you give up your US citizenship
and
move
there?
Tom
not.
Todd Swearingen
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From: tboonefisher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
Apparently many posters here feel that the US
After looking at the US American presidential
Historical Election Results
http://gi.grolier.com/presidents/results/restable.html
I thought this reference would help.
Year Candidate and Party Electoral Vote Popular Vote
2000 George W. Bush, Republican 271
I don't believe it's a horrible place to live.
---
Martin Klingensmith
infoarchive.net [archive.nnytech.net]
nnytech.net
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From: tboonefisher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 4:23 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:10, you wrote:
Dear Tom,
Why do you think I am American citizen and that I
live in the US. This is a very International list.
Hakan Falk
At 03:22 PM 4/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Apparently many posters here feel that the US is a horrible
place to live. Where
Apparently many posters here feel that the US is a horrible
place to live. Where else would you prefer to live? And of
course WHY don't you give up your US citizenship and move
there?
Tom Fisher
Dallas,TX
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Apparently many posters here feel that the US is a horrible
place to live. Where else would you prefer to live? And of
course WHY don't you give up your US citizenship and move
there?
Tom Fisher
Dallas,TX
You mean me? Well, I'll leave you to figure that out all by yourself.
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