[biofuel] Large volumes!
Hey everybody!... I'm new. (ok... I got that out of the way). 1. How cheap are you guys finding new vegetable oil? (Or any compatible oil) 2. Anybody able to get a hold of some prices? VERY LARGE VOLUME. Example: Price per ?55 gallon barrel? 3. What type of additive can be used, or process done to ensure there is no problems with rubber fuel lines in vehicles? ... Or is that problem over rated. Has anybody put any research into that? (Real world studies) 4. How much are these WVO recyclers paying big firms such as McDonalds, Burger King... (on... and on..Especially in America...), for their WVO? Sorry if this topic is already been discussed 20 times over. Is anybody tracking the Bush administration's progress on promoting the use of our own unlimited renewable 'homegrown' energy source? Anyone put a lot of thought into this yet? Thank you, Morgan Kingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Large volumes!
It's easy to track Bush's progress on promoting homegrown renewables. not only is there no progress, they are moving backwards. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Morgan Kingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:27 AM Subject: [biofuel] Large volumes! Hey everybody!... I'm new. (ok... I got that out of the way). 1. How cheap are you guys finding new vegetable oil? (Or any compatible oil) 2. Anybody able to get a hold of some prices? VERY LARGE VOLUME. Example: Price per ?55 gallon barrel? 3. What type of additive can be used, or process done to ensure there is no problems with rubber fuel lines in vehicles? ... Or is that problem over rated. Has anybody put any research into that? (Real world studies) 4. How much are these WVO recyclers paying big firms such as McDonalds, Burger King... (on... and on..Especially in America...), for their WVO? Sorry if this topic is already been discussed 20 times over. Is anybody tracking the Bush administration's progress on promoting the use of our own unlimited renewable 'homegrown' energy source? Anyone put a lot of thought into this yet? Thank you, Morgan Kingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 901
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[biofuel] OPEC, Big Oil and you - 8
The Seven Sisters The Great Oil Companies and the World They Made Anthony Sampson Hodder and Stoughton, 1975, ISBN 0 340 19427 8 Chapter 11 - Part 1 The Crunch The price of an article is exactly what it will fetch. -- Marcus Samuel of Shell, 1911 AFTER the Teheran and Tripoli agreements, for the next two-and-a-half years, the companies were in trouble on three separate fronts. First the producers were demanding part-ownership of the concessions, or 'participation'. Second, there were increasing signs of an oil shortage. Third, the Arab-Israel situation was again heading towards conflict. The convergence of the three was to produce the greatest crisis in the history of world oil. Participation For the more radical Arabs the whole concept of oil concessions -- which had been leased to the companies under quite different regimes and conditions for very long periods -- was increasingly unacceptable. The notion that a producing country was entitled to part-ownership of the concession -- as opposed to merely taxing it -- had been enshrined as long ago as 1920, as we have seen, in the San Remo agreement over Iraq, and ever since ignored. In the meantime the angrier radicals had favoured the more extreme course of wholesale nationalisation. But that drastic remedy, whether in Mexico in 1938 or in Iran in 1951, carried the danger of excluding the producers from the oil markets. How could producers take over control, and yet remain part of the world market system? In the late 'sixties they began to concern themselves with the idea of gradual nationalisation, under the tactful slogan of 'participation'. The chief advocate of participation was not one of the fiery extremists from Libya or Iraq, but the man who had been the special favourite of the oil companies, a graduate from Harvard, from the most conservative country of all. Sheikh Zaki Yamani of Saudi Arabia was to be the dominant figure in the next stage of the conflict. He had gained great confidence since he had first become King Feisal's oil minister in 1962. His old oil company friends, who used to regard him as a clever young proteg, now found themselves being kept waiting outside his huge office in Riyadh, or pursuing him as he flitted between capitals, exercising his growing power with obvious relish. He was quicker than most of them; with his sharp eyes, his Mephistophelean beard and his debonair style, he was like an unbottled genie from Arabia, impatient to take over from his master. Yamani had been a director of Aramco since 1962, but his apparent involvement only made him more aware of his exclusion from the crucial decisions. As he put his case later, 'I want to know what is going on and I want to have a say in it. And that is what frightens them most.' (Leonard Mosley: Power Play, London, 1974, P. 395.) Yamani realised the dangers of abrupt nationalisation, and the need to maintain the orderly system of the oil companies; and in this he was at loggerheads with his predecessor Tariki, who was now advising other oil countries, and firmly advocating nationalisation. Yamani believed that the oil producers should gradually edge their way into the intricate world system, without disrupting it. The producing countries could take over a share of the oil, and could thus build up their own national oil companies -- Petromin in Saudi Arabia, KNPC in Kuwait, NIOC in Iran. In other words, OPEC would not beat the cartel, but join it. Yamani had been interested in some form of participation for many years, but he first boldly proclaimed his policy in a seminar at the American University in Beirut in June 1968. It was in the wake of the humiliation of the Six-Day War, when the West was most sceptical of Arab effectiveness and Yamani felt the need for a militant initiative. He pointed out that many of the newcomers to the Middle East had agreed to various forms of partnership, and he warned the sisters: 'the June war, with all its psychological repercussions, has made it absolutely essential for the majors -- and not least Aramco -- to follow suit if they wish to continue operating peacefully in the area. Partnership with the host governments is a must; any delay will be paid for by the oil companies concerned.' (Middle East Economic Survey, June, 1968.) A meeting of OPEC in the same month duly endorsed the principle in a Declaratory Statement, that 'the Government may acquire a reasonable participation'. But the oil companies were very far from agreeing. Some company men realised that their control could not last, but the sisters could not bring themselves to give anything up before they had to -- for the profits were still so vast that every extra day seemed worth hanging on to. Some ammunition to the Arabs was given in 1970 by the U.S. Department of Commerce. It estimated that the net assets of the petroleum industry in the Middle East were $1.5 billion, yielding profits of $1.2
[biofuel] cloudiness (followup un my 2nd Titration - to Keith)
Hi Keith, My batch of BD settled the glycerine out nicely, though the BD still seemed a bit cloudy. It was translucent, but not crystal clear... Is this suspended water? I now bubble-washed it (not for long... the first few minutes produced an emulsion of BD+water which seemed murky white-ish/yewllow-ish. Now I«m settling it. The first wash water is very white (almost like milk). QUESTION: If the BD remains non-crystal-clear after some washing settling, should I take it to 105 deg C for some minutes? Best wishes, Christian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [biofuel] hydrous ethanol
nice responces to anhydrous..does anyone know how to make streno. From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2002/04/13 Sat AM 12:41:18 EDT To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] hydrous ethanol I thought that E85 was the most optimum mix to run in today's gas engines? And why would E50 absorb any more H2O from the air than E10, except proportionately? On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 09:41:40PM -0500, George Wessel wrote: Hello Everybody Now that I understand the problem with gasohol. I need to ask another question. If you mix one part anhydrous alcohol with one part gasoline to create a E50 fuel. Will it suck moisture out of the air like anhydrous alcohol will. If not then how high a alcohol content can you go before it starts pulling moisture out of the air. I have never invisioned running my vechiles on E100. But more of a E30 to E50 at the highest kind of fuel. I'm just not to wild about the idea of keeping my fuel in air tight tanks. But that is possible if it has to be. Thanks for all the replys George Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [biofuel] hydrous ethanol
I believe that low N nitro cellulose, is added to alk until it gells. Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 11:59 Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] hydrous ethanol nice responces to anhydrous..does anyone know how to make streno. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Large volumes!
Hi Steve, How so, please elaborate. We can't solve problems by ignoring them, and hope someone else picks up our pieces. Genuine interest. Thank you, Morgan Kingston -Original Message- From: steve spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:48 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Large volumes! It's easy to track Bush's progress on promoting homegrown renewables. not only is there no progress, they are moving backwards. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Morgan Kingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:27 AM Subject: [biofuel] Large volumes! Hey everybody!... I'm new. (ok... I got that out of the way). 1. How cheap are you guys finding new vegetable oil? (Or any compatible oil) 2. Anybody able to get a hold of some prices? VERY LARGE VOLUME. Example: Price per ?55 gallon barrel? 3. What type of additive can be used, or process done to ensure there is no problems with rubber fuel lines in vehicles? ... Or is that problem over rated. Has anybody put any research into that? (Real world studies) 4. How much are these WVO recyclers paying big firms such as McDonalds, Burger King... (on... and on..Especially in America...), for their WVO? Sorry if this topic is already been discussed 20 times over. Is anybody tracking the Bush administration's progress on promoting the use of our own unlimited renewable 'homegrown' energy source? Anyone put a lot of thought into this yet? Thank you, Morgan Kingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=217097.2003762.3481930.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705 083269:HM/A=1042587/R=0/*http://service.bfast.com/bfast/click?bfmid=2915 0849siteid=39282504bfpage=account http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=217097.2003762.3481930.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=1705083269:HM/A=1042587/rand=200611148 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] hydrous ethanol
Using a E85 would modifications need to be made to the carburator jets to to use the higher alcohol fuel or would it run good enough with it's current jet sizes. The reason I ask is that some of my vechiles are mid eighties. These carbs might not do so well without the modification. The rest are electronic injection and as I understand it a pressure increase using the current injectors would most likely be good enough. The other reason I was using a E50 limit is because of the large inventory of DDGS's I will end up with. Would need to create a outlet for the additional DDGS's if I produce much more alcohol than I would need with a E50 fuel When the price of gasoline reaches $2.00 a gallon, if I mix in 50% alcohol so my fuel will be costing around $1.00 again I will be more than happy. No big modifications needed on any of my vechiles, yet a real savings in fuel costs. Other than that a E85 would be just fine. George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that E85 was the most optimum mix to run in today's gas engines? And why would E50 absorb any more H2O from the air than E10, except proportionately? On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 09:41:40PM -0500, George Wessel wrote: Hello Everybody Now that I understand the problem with gasohol. I need to ask another question. If you mix one part anhydrous alcohol with one part gasoline to create a E50 fuel. Will it suck moisture out of the air like anhydrous alcohol will. If not then how high a alcohol content can you go before it starts pulling moisture out of the air. I have never invisioned running my vechiles on E100. But more of a E30 to E50 at the highest kind of fuel. I'm just not to wild about the idea of keeping my fuel in air tight tanks. But that is possible if it has to be. Thanks for all the replys George Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=217097.2003762.3481930.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1042587/R=0/*http://service.bfast.com/bfast/click?bfmid=29150849siteid=39282504bfpage=account Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Large volumes!
http://www.enn.com/news/enn-stories/2001/04/04302001/bushenergy_43274.asp http://www.greenpeaceusa.org/climate/nepresponsetext.htm http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/index.html http://www.ucsusa.org/releases/04-09-01.html http://www.energyjustice.net/ http://www.awea.org/news/index.html some progress forward, a lot more backwards. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Morgan Kingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Large volumes! Hi Steve, How so, please elaborate. We can't solve problems by ignoring them, and hope someone else picks up our pieces. Genuine interest. Thank you, Morgan Kingston -Original Message- From: steve spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:48 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Large volumes! It's easy to track Bush's progress on promoting homegrown renewables. not only is there no progress, they are moving backwards. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Morgan Kingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:27 AM Subject: [biofuel] Large volumes! Hey everybody!... I'm new. (ok... I got that out of the way). 1. How cheap are you guys finding new vegetable oil? (Or any compatible oil) 2. Anybody able to get a hold of some prices? VERY LARGE VOLUME. Example: Price per ?55 gallon barrel? 3. What type of additive can be used, or process done to ensure there is no problems with rubber fuel lines in vehicles? ... Or is that problem over rated. Has anybody put any research into that? (Real world studies) 4. How much are these WVO recyclers paying big firms such as McDonalds, Burger King... (on... and on..Especially in America...), for their WVO? Sorry if this topic is already been discussed 20 times over. Is anybody tracking the Bush administration's progress on promoting the use of our own unlimited renewable 'homegrown' energy source? Anyone put a lot of thought into this yet? Thank you, Morgan Kingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=217097.2003762.3481930.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705 083269:HM/A=1042587/R=0/*http://service.bfast.com/bfast/click?bfmid=2915 0849siteid=39282504bfpage=account http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=217097.2003762.3481930.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=1705083269:HM/A=1042587/rand=200611148 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] oil palm info
http://www.asd-cr.com/index.html Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] My Ethanol Project
Hi everyone. I'm a senior in high school and just joined this club. I'm trying to plan how to use fermentation to get ethanol that can be used as fuel or as gasohol. I'm doing this for a science project, but also just because I want to and it's good for the environment. My only problem is with equipment. Does anybody here know anything or know of any resources for the fermentation and distillation equipment? Can it be built or do I have to buy it? Does it cost a lot of money? If anybody could help me or point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it very much. Thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My Ethanol Project
Try and find the book Makin' It On The Farm, it is a start. Check out the local public library, I have yet to find one that did not have a few books on the subject, if you have any problems at the library, tell the person at the information desk about your project, and they should be able to get you started in the right direction. Greg H. - Original Message - From: utilityinfielder02 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 20:27 Subject: [biofuel] My Ethanol Project Hi everyone. I'm a senior in high school and just joined this club. I'm trying to plan how to use fermentation to get ethanol that can be used as fuel or as gasohol. I'm doing this for a science project, but also just because I want to and it's good for the environment. My only problem is with equipment. Does anybody here know anything or know of any resources for the fermentation and distillation equipment? Can it be built or do I have to buy it? Does it cost a lot of money? If anybody could help me or point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it very much. Thanks. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Large volumes!
Morgan Kingston wrote: Is anybody tracking the Bush administration's progress on promoting the use of our own unlimited renewable 'homegrown' energy source? Anyone put a lot of thought into this yet? I had hoped for CAFE standards to increase but gov't.inc views it differently. Humanure has caught my attention. Chapter 1 - CRAP HAPPENS http://www.weblife.org/humanure/chapter1.html Excerpts: When viewed at the next quantum level of perspective, from which the Earth is seen as an organism and humans are seen as microorganisms, the human species looks like a menace to the planet. In fact, the human race is looking a lot like a disease-causing pathogen, which is an organism excessively multiplying, consuming, and producing harmful waste, with no regard for the health and well-being of its host ÷ in this case, planet Earth. In the case of pathogenic organisms that kill their host, the behavior is predictable: multiply without regard for any limits to growth, consume as if there were no tomorrow, and excrete waste products that grievously harm the host. When this is translated into human terms, it rings with a disquieting familiarity, especially as we relentlessly equate human success with growth, consumption, material wealth, and profit. As humans become an increasing menace, can the Earth try to defend itself? Absolutely, and in several ways. Number one is climate change, also known as global warming. When a disease organism infects a human being, for example, one of the defense mechanisms our body deploys is the elevation of its own temperature. This rise in temperature not only inhibits the growth of the infecting pathogen, but also greatly enhances the disease fighting capability within the body. Global warming may be the Earthâs way of inducing a fever ÷ as a reaction to human pollution of the atmosphere and human over-consumption of fossil fuels. Sound ludicrous? Donât laugh ÷ read on. When the internal human body temperature rises, the micro-climate of the body changes, allowing for the sudden and rapid proliferation of antibodies, T-cells, white blood cells, and other defenders against disease. As the global climate changes, and as the natural environment chokes with pollution, we humans do have an idea of what sort of organisms nature can and will suddenly unleash to confront us. Theyâre already beginning to show themselves as insect pest population booms, as well as new strains of deadly bacteria, viruses, and algae particularly toxic to humans. Humanure Headquarters http://www.jenkinspublishing.com/humanure.html The Humanure Handbook: A Guide to Composting Human Manure by Joseph C. Jenkins, Copyright 1999 Entire Humanure Handbook free online! The following information may be reproduced subject to the following three conditions: 1) The information must not be changed or altered 2) The following information must accompany all copies: Source: The Humanure Handbook. Jenkins Publishing, PO Box 607, Grove City, PA 16127. To order, phone: 1-800-639-4099. www.jenkinspublishing.com 3) The reproduction is not done for profit. Persons wanting to use excerpts or artwork from this book for a profit venture must contact the publisher for permission. I particularly liked the summery in the last Chapter 10 - The End Is Near http://www.weblife.org/humanure/chapter10.html Where the author humorously interviews himself. Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to introduce you to a new and revolutionary literary device known as the self-interview! (Applause heard in background. Someone whoops.) Today Iâll be interviewing myself. In fact, here I am now. (Myself walks in.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Large volumes!
Hi Hoagy Yeah, Jenkins is excellent! More on humanure here: http://journeytoforever.org/compost_humanure.html Humanure Best Keith Morgan Kingston wrote: Is anybody tracking the Bush administration's progress on promoting the use of our own unlimited renewable 'homegrown' energy source? Anyone put a lot of thought into this yet? I had hoped for CAFE standards to increase but gov't.inc views it differently. Humanure has caught my attention. Chapter 1 - CRAP HAPPENS http://www.weblife.org/humanure/chapter1.html Excerpts: When viewed at the next quantum level of perspective, from which the Earth is seen as an organism and humans are seen as microorganisms, the human species looks like a menace to the planet. In fact, the human race is looking a lot like a disease-causing pathogen, which is an organism excessively multiplying, consuming, and producing harmful waste, with no regard for the health and well-being of its host ÷ in this case, planet Earth. In the case of pathogenic organisms that kill their host, the behavior is predictable: multiply without regard for any limits to growth, consume as if there were no tomorrow, and excrete waste products that grievously harm the host. When this is translated into human terms, it rings with a disquieting familiarity, especially as we relentlessly equate human success with growth, consumption, material wealth, and profit. As humans become an increasing menace, can the Earth try to defend itself? Absolutely, and in several ways. Number one is climate change, also known as global warming. When a disease organism infects a human being, for example, one of the defense mechanisms our body deploys is the elevation of its own temperature. This rise in temperature not only inhibits the growth of the infecting pathogen, but also greatly enhances the disease fighting capability within the body. Global warming may be the Earthâs way of inducing a fever ÷ as a reaction to human pollution of the atmosphere and human over-consumption of fossil fuels. Sound ludicrous? Donât laugh ÷ read on. When the internal human body temperature rises, the micro-climate of the body changes, allowing for the sudden and rapid proliferation of antibodies, T-cells, white blood cells, and other defenders against disease. As the global climate changes, and as the natural environment chokes with pollution, we humans do have an idea of what sort of organisms nature can and will suddenly unleash to confront us. Theyâre already beginning to show themselves as insect pest population booms, as well as new strains of deadly bacteria, viruses, and algae particularly toxic to humans. Humanure Headquarters http://www.jenkinspublishing.com/humanure.html The Humanure Handbook: A Guide to Composting Human Manure by Joseph C. Jenkins, Copyright 1999 Entire Humanure Handbook free online! The following information may be reproduced subject to the following three conditions: 1) The information must not be changed or altered 2) The following information must accompany all copies: Source: The Humanure Handbook. Jenkins Publishing, PO Box 607, Grove City, PA 16127. To order, phone: 1-800-639-4099. www.jenkinspublishing.com 3) The reproduction is not done for profit. Persons wanting to use excerpts or artwork from this book for a profit venture must contact the publisher for permission. I particularly liked the summery in the last Chapter 10 - The End Is Near http://www.weblife.org/humanure/chapter10.html Where the author humorously interviews himself. Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to introduce you to a new and revolutionary literary device known as the self-interview! (Applause heard in background. Someone whoops.) Today Iâll be interviewing myself. In fact, here I am now. (Myself walks in.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My Ethanol Project
Try this as well: Http://www.Moonshine-Still.com/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
