Hi All I have access to a source of animal fat that is used for deep frying I have tried to make biodiesel from it but only succeed in producing a very soapy gloop I used the ratios from Mike Pelly's reciepe Is there a difference between using animal fat and wast veggie oil? HelpSend instant
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Hi Yolanda, welcome
Hi! I am almost new in this mailing list, so I am just introducing
myself in this exciting matter of biodiesel.
A few minutes before I was looking for some information about
biodiesel and I found a page on the net, that claims that they have
secrets on biodiesel that almost
Yolanda,
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take the time to read the site and you will not only save $57.4, you
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No real difference between the two, at least not relative to making fuel.
The suggestion would be to use KOH instead of NaOH for starters. That
should help end your thickening/soap issue.
Don't jump the gun with large batches until you get the small stuff
right if you're still having problems.
like it or not, that is the most likely pathway to temporarily sustain
the unsustainable. The governor of Montana is currently touting coal
liquification (and throwing in clean coal buzz words all the while),
ethanol plants utilize coal for process, thereby indirectly converting
coal to
In addition, if you look at the world coal reserves,
link here: http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/ieo/coal.html
The top 5 are:
1 US
2 Russia
3 China
4 India
5 Australia
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like it or not, that is the most likely pathway to temporarily sustain
the
Promise?
Michael Redler wrote:
Oh...dude...I didn't mean it.
Really, it's gonna be OK.
I'm sorry - really, really sorry.
Redler
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Redler, you never like my ideas. You've made me cry. Now how do you
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Ok I can't
Hi,
I should have confirmed this before starting
my biodiesel experiments butis the 20% methanolin
thesodium methoxidemeasured by volume or weight? I did some tests
and discovered that 20% methanol by weight is roughly 25% by volume when
compared to virgin VO and + or - compared to WVO.
I think I remember hearing that Castor oil was used like like motor oil
in lawn mowers during oil fuel rationing in WWII.
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Animal fat (tallow) has a different chemical make-up than vegetable oil.
You need to do much more purification. You get soap (glycerin) like
results with vegetable oil, just not as much. I think that if you use a
stronger caustic agent to separate mixture components, you may have more
success.
Hi,
I should have confirmed this before starting my biodiesel
experiments but is the 20% methanol in the sodium
methoxide measured by volume or weight? I did some tests and
discovered that 20% methanol by weight is roughly 25% by volume when
compared to virgin VO and + or - compared to WVO.
i think im going to try it, at least, going to the store for some everclear
and a bottle of castor. i have no room for a full fledged still in my
pinky-dinky apartment. and another odd question, what kind of problems would
i have if i used castor oil instead of engine oil, in -say- a lawnmower?
like it or not, that is the most likely pathway to temporarily sustain
the unsustainable. The governor of Montana is currently touting coal
liquification (and throwing in clean coal buzz words all the while),
ethanol plants utilize coal for process, thereby indirectly converting
coal to liquids.
Tallow, lard, butter, vege oil, etc. are all the same chemically save
very, very minor differences which don't impact the transesterification
reaction. fats and oils are treated the same as to volume of methanol,
reaction time, and amount of catalyst. Impurities, mainly water present,
will
Stronger caustic agent? As in NaOH vs KOH?
You're aware that saturated phats and oils tend to make harder soaps and
that NaOH contributes to that end even further?
Using the general method of self-mixing the methanol and caustic, as
most grassroots and small scale brewers do, there is also the
see for example
http://www.castrol.com/castrol/productdetailmin.do?categoryId=9003076contentId=6008867
Randall Phelps wrote:
I think I remember hearing that Castor oil was used like like motor oil
in lawn mowers during oil fuel rationing in WWII.
I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO
that are both easy (i.e. passive) and don't involve the energy use of
heating a bulk volume of oil to near water BP.
Coalescing media comes to mind, has anybody every looked into this
further or heard of its use in
you are right. We are using between 200 - 250 ml
methanol / liter oil
start with 250 and when you get good results try
going down to 200
it will make cheaper fuel.
when you are confident with the process try
methanol recovery from the by product layer.
follow instructions
I have processed 100% virgin beef tallow fat with the 2 stage base - base
process
with great sucess. I used 200 ml methanol / liter fat and 6.7 g NaOH
Processed for 2 x 2hours at 58 - 60 deg C.
That batched washed better and easier then any other WVO I had dealt with
The only drawback is cold
Hi,
I have also had excellent results from beef tallow using the acid/base two
stage process.
Although when washing, I thought i was getting loads of soap out even on the
third or fourth washes. It turned out that my water was too cold, I was
bringing the temperature of the BD down to below 15c
Temporarily?There is something about that word that makes me uncomfortable. We've been in the process of"temporary sustainability" [paraphrase] for at least thirty years. There is nothing temporary about it.My interpretation of this philosophy is that "temporary" is simply an extension
how old are you mike?
not often do i see Rage's lyrics in a conversation.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of
oil?
Temporarily?
what about applejack style dewatering? get it REALLY cold so the oil
solidifies, or the water freezes, whichever comes first and screen it out?
thats how the old folks used to make apple whiskey for hard cider when my
grandma was a kid.
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Hi! I was wondering if anyone had a good source for bulk fresh vegetable oil. It can be online or local to the northeast United States. Thanks!- Jared
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That could cetainly work it a Wisconsin winter...the cold is free!
Ryan
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:54:01 -0500
what about
Thanks all of you: Todd, Keiht and Hakan. From this moment I will be more careful with what I read, and of course I have already starting to check the information in journey to forever. And if I need some extra information I will ask the mailing list where to serarch that kind of information.
I stand corrected, sorry to give bad information.
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There is an auction going on eBay for virgin soy oil
that has me wondering. The man selling it says the
lot is 4 barrells of oil totalling 232 gallons, 1700
net pounds. It is currently selling at auction for
around 25 cents per pound, or about $1.83 USD per
gallon. People are jumping all over
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