Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil
Jeez Mike, No, definitely not New Zealand, we've limited our population to four million and we only have an area just a little larger than the British Isles. Besides we've got an anti-nuclear policy and live under an ozone hole for much of the summer. Anyway we've got too much water and forest and mountains and stuff, the South Pole is just over the horizon, we've got all these beaches that nobody uses, deer and horses and pig that run wild, eels in every stream, fish coming out of our ears and sheep everywhere. You'd hate it. Trust me, Bob. - Original Message - From: M&K DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil See Stephen Leeb's The Coming Economic Collapse: How You Can Thrive When Oil Costs $200 a Barrel. Leeb would have us buying stocks in various companies because that's his business. The points he makes about why the price of oil must rise to levels far beyond we know today are my reason for directing our attention to the book. It really does come down to a massive population growing exponentially and an economic model promoted by the USA. Bottom line is, we're screwed, at least as far as the world as we've known it run on oil is concerned. Maybe all the JTF List could put our money, talents, and lives together on some remote island or somewhere in New Zealand and start something that might survive through the coming chaos and become a beacon of hope to the world. Use the JTF Credo as our basis for community life. I'm serious! What, aint gonna happen??? Ah well, to unquote something the bard didn't say, all's not well that doesn't end well. Ah well... Mike DuPree ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] What a load of horse . . .
It stinks! It's a noisome, fly-infested mound of equine excrement that came very close to inspiring nausea when I worked with it this morning . . . I don't know how you folk who use horse manure can stand the smell!!! I waited until my neighbors had gone to church before I started unloading my truck this morning. The beautiful, elderly lady in Yarrow put her horse manure in plastic bags, so the decomposition process began anaerobically, and what a fetid mess it turned out to be! I wound up with flies up my nose, in my eyes and crawling all over my face as I spread the disgusting stuff into an area I'd cleared out near my compost pile. After unloading a few bags, I covered the reeking mounds with partially finished compost, then added another layer, followed by more compost. It took awhile, but I got my truck completely unloaded before anyone came back from church. After I finished, I shredded a whole pile of weeds and garden clippings to put over the top of the revolting mass. The stench isn't as bad now . . . Part of the challenge of gardening while living in a subdivision is that I have to be considerate of neighbors who moved here (or who lived here before I arrived) with no intention of tolerating, and often little tolerance for, the "barnyard smell" of decomposing manure. The barn litter that I usually get almost has a pleasant aroma to it, and if I can manage to obtain the well-rotted stuff near the bottom of the pile, it actually smells earthy and rich. The pretty lady in Yarrow also gave me a few bags of composted manure, and I have to admit that her compost looks far better than mine--it's very dark (almost black), moist and crumbly. So I'm sure this horse manure will eventually yield decent compost. Until then, however, I'd have to say I prefer using the bovine variety . . . I'm going to go and take a shower now! robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil
LOL...you bum...just gotta gloat, don't ya? I would too. Congrats. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Bob Molloy To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil Jeez Mike, No, definitely not New Zealand, we've limited our population to four million and we only have an area just a little larger than the British Isles. Besides we've got an anti-nuclear policy and live under an ozone hole for much of the summer. Anyway we've got too much water and forest and mountains and stuff, the South Pole is just over the horizon, we've got all these beaches that nobody uses, deer and horses and pig that run wild, eels in every stream, fish coming out of our ears and sheep everywhere. You'd hate it. Trust me, Bob. - Original Message - From: M&K DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil See Stephen Leeb's The Coming Economic Collapse: How You Can Thrive When Oil Costs $200 a Barrel. Leeb would have us buying stocks in various companies because that's his business. The points he makes about why the price of oil must rise to levels far beyond we know today are my reason for directing our attention to the book. It really does come down to a massive population growing exponentially and an economic model promoted by the USA. Bottom line is, we're screwed, at least as far as the world as we've known it run on oil is concerned. Maybe all the JTF List could put our money, talents, and lives together on some remote island or somewhere in New Zealand and start something that might survive through the coming chaos and become a beacon of hope to the world. Use the JTF Credo as our basis for community life. I'm serious! What, aint gonna happen??? Ah well, to unquote something the bard didn't say, all's not well that doesn't end well. Ah well... Mike DuPree ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Carbon Freeze?
Quote at the end of the article: The point is not whether Gaia is alive or not, but rather, whether we can learn to love life enough to save the planet. -- Colin Wright The challenge to this learning is essentially that most of us are basically unplugged from the planet. When was the last time your feet actually touched the ground and not concrete? When was the last time you looked the grower of your food in the eye and shook his or her hand? How many more questions like this can we all ask? Perhaps this article will help us gain a bit of motivation to accept the challenge, if for no one else, our children. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:00 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Carbon Freeze? > http://eatthestate.org/11-03/CarbonFreeze.htm > (October 12, 2006) > > Carbon Freeze? > > Recently I've been reading "Revenge of Gaia" by James Lovelock. > Though it sounds like a science fiction novel (and some will critique > it that way), it is in fact an impassioned plea for recognizing the > depth of the climate crisis and a call to action. > > Gaia, or the notion of a living planet Earth, was proposed by > Lovelock in the 1960s when he was a planet scientist for NASA looking > at the inert atmosphere of Mars. It occurred to him that life itself > on Earth was manipulating the atmosphere to its own benefit. While > the Earth Science community has now recognized that our planet does > indeed self-regulate its temperature and composition, it shies away > from Lovelock's contention that there is an active, willful component > to Gaia. > > Now Lovelock is back, arguing that the regulating mechanisms are > failing; in fact, that Gaia has a fever and is raising her > temperature to get rid of us. As anthropomorphic as this notion is, > Lovelock at 82 is no crackpot. I recently saw him at the University > Bookstore, and he comes across as the genteel but sharp-witted > English scientist that he is. As a fellow of the Royal Society, > Britain's most prestigious science organization, he is on top of the > latest climate science. And unlike most scientists, he feels that his > objectivity is not compromised by speaking out. > > Much of the science in the book is familiar: the hockey-stick-like > rise in global temperatures in recent years, the dramatic loss of ice > in Greenland and the Antarctic and Arctic, the melting permafrost, > etc. But Lovelock adds some new twists and goes beyond the smooth and > linear temperature increases that characterize the IPCC predictions. > For Lovelock, discontinuities and tipping points in the form of > sudden temperature rises will bring irreversible change and add up to > a bleak future where humanity itself is threatened. > > Lovelock advances the notion that the Earth is returning to a new hot > state, about eight degrees Centigrade warmer, that will last a > hundred thousand years or more. Such an episode did occur about 55 > million years ago, when massive methane releases overwhelmed the > planet. As corroborating evidence that we could enter a new hot > state, Lovelock points to his computer simulations that mimic algae > growth in the oceans. According to his model, when carbon dioxide > levels begin to exceed about 500 parts per million, the ocean algae > with their ability to absorb carbon and promote cloud cover become > extinct, leading to an abrupt jump in global temperature of around > eight degrees. This sort of temperature jump would turn much of the > planet into scrub and desert, which together with massive flooding > would lead to a catastrophic die-off in the human population. > > To be sure, these sorts of predictions are speculative at this stage. > The new IPCC report is due out next year (and it is rumored to be > frightening). But it would be foolish to ignore the possibility that > letting carbon dioxide levels rise to 500 ppm would put the lives of > billions of people at risk. (Note, according to Paul Roberts' "The > End of Oil," that even if we stabilized carbon emissions at current > levels--a carbon freeze--we will reach 520 ppm by 2100. If we do > nothing, we will hit 550 ppm by mid-century.) > > Even if we have already passed a point of no return, Lovelock > advocates replacing our fossil fuels as soon as possible to slow the > temperature increases and to buy us more time. He proposes a range of > alternative energies, including nuclear fission, until we can develop > nuclear fusion, which is still decades away from feasibility, if at > all. > > Getting off of fossil fuels may be easier than Lovelock thinks. He > seems to be unaware of peaking global oil supplies. Retired Princeton > geology professor Ken Deffeyes is still sticking to his December 2005 > prediction for global peak oil. His new evidence? New data from the > US Energy Information Administration that world crude oil production > peaked at 85.1 million barrels a day last December and then decli
Re: [Biofuel] Diwali - Festival of Lights
Thanks Keith, Happy diwali (as applicable). Best regards, Am. Sivaramakrishnan, Bangalore, India. - Original Message From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:57:58 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Diwali - Festival of Lights Best wishes for a happy Diwali to our Hindu list members and their families and loved ones. Namaste Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help with Processor
Hi Mark, If your thermostat can take the full current of your heating element, you just wire it in series. The rod type thermostat found in most UK domestic immersion heaters will work just fine for this. The down side is they are usually made of brass. If you do decide to use washing machine elements, I would reccomend using two in a 75 litre processor, giving a total output of approx 5kw. Wire them on separate circuits, one through the thermostat and one with just a switch. Use two elements to heat the oil up to working temperature, then switch to just one for the processing. Well that is how I would do it anyway. Cheers Bob Oh yes, I am in Northants - Original Message - From: "Mark` Cookson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help with Processor > Bob > > Thanks for the offered help, I am at the moment trying to make a 75 litre > processor.The stainless kettle element you bought for your first processor > how did you rig up a therostat to it was it quite easy? > P-S I am in Lancs are you any where near? > > Regards > > Mark > >>From: "Bob Carr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>To: >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help with Processor >>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:22:47 +0100 >> >>Hi Mark, >>How big is your processor? >>I made my first 15 litre processor using a stainless kettle element, >>bought >>from a local electical store for just £4.50. It is still working fine >>after >>a year. >>I am now using a 150 litre processor that is heated by hot water from a >>home >>made gas boiler. The long term plan is to convert the boiler to run on a >>mixture of glycerol and bio heating oil, but I am not there yet. >>If you need help sourcing stuff locally, I will help wherever I can >>Regards >>Bob >>- Original Message - >>From: "Mark` Cookson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:47 AM >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help with Processor >> >> >> > keith >> > >> > Thanks for that, you can get stainless immersion heater[element] but >>they >> > are a fortune to buy brand new. I thought any list members may know of >> > other >> > alternatives? [ or supplys in the UK] >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > >> >>From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help with Processor >> >>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:51:09 +0900 >> >> >> >> >Hi to every one, >> >> >I am trying to build a processor but having difficulty in finding a >> >>heater >> >> >element that is not made of copper? I am in the UK, I have been told, >>in >> >> >Holland they make a brass emersion heater element but I can not find >> >> >a >> >> >supplier here in the UK. >> >> >Any suggestions anybody? >> >> > >> >> >Mark >> >> >> >>Hi Mark >> >> >> >>Brass won't do either, neither will bronze, lead, tin and zinc. >> >>Aluminium doesn't react with biodiesel but it does react with lye so >> >>you can't use it in a processor. Stainless steel is best. Stainless >> >>steel immersion heaters definitely exist, surely obtainable in all >> >>countries. Seek and ye shall find. >> >> >> >>HTH, good luck. >> >> >> >>Keith >> >> >> >> >> >>___ >> >>Biofuel mailing list >> >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >> >>messages): >> >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> > >> > _ >> > Windows LiveT Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for >> > free! >> > http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ___ >> > Biofuel mailing list >> > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> > >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> > >> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> > >> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >> > messages): >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> > >> > >> >> >>___ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >>messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> > > _ > Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to o
[Biofuel] Athabasca oil sands area
Excerpt from the Rude Awakening, a financial newsletter. Peace, D. Mindock === Dear Rude, As someone who works in the Athabasca oil sands area, I see every day the water usage. It's astronomical. I have seen first-hand the ridiculous amounts of wasted water. Every day, while oil is being pumped out at a rate of 400,000+ bpoe/d (in just one plant), the water being wasted I'm sure is bigger than that number. While I have no hard facts to substantiate this claim, it doesn't take a water scientist to see the "steam" billowing into the air from the enormous cooling towers (these towers circulate water to keep various parts of the process cooled to acceptable temperatures). And I say "steam" and not just steam, because anyone with a nose can tell that there's more in that "steam" than just water. But ask any so-called safety-person and they will tell you that it's perfectly fine to breath in, even though ! no one is willing to show you the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) on the whatever chemicals are mixed into the water. And the tailings are a nightmare. How these companies can say that they are "environmentally friendly" I'll never understand. Just because they reclaim some of the land after strip-mining, then plant some grass and trees, and put in a few wood-bison to roam there, does not mean that they are doing anything that is environmentally friendly. The tailings are a soup of waste-water crap that literally sits in a pool called a tailings pond. Even at -30 degrees Celsius, this stuff doesn't freeze. It just sits there, steaming. The stench from these ponds is indescribable. I've been there. I've seen it. I've smelled it. And yet, thousands of people work at these plants every day. The economy in the Wood Buffalo region is booming. New vehicles are everywhere. New houses are everywhere. People have money to throw around. Working 50 and 60 hour work-weeks is common, because the money to be made is great. Not many seem to care that the water supply is dwindling. Not many seem to care about the big brown cloud of who-knows-exactly-what-is-in-there that moves towards the town of Fort McMurray when the wind is blowing from the north. Some people see their bank accounts going up. Some decide to let their bank accounts stagnate while collecting toys - a big truck, a quad, two snow mobiles, a boat, an RV - and the list goes on. But it seems like most people decide that the "things" are more important than their health. I work there, but I don't live there. I commute from Calgary (a 7 ½ hour drive one-way). I stay in Ft. McMurray and drive out to the plants every day to go to work. So why am I different than all the rest? Because I can go home any time I want. When I get tired of breathing in toxic fumes, I can go home for a few months and work in Calgary. Eventually though, the lure of bigger money brings me back to the oil sands. It always does. Am I getting rich by working there? No, but I make more money than your average bear when I work "up north" as we call it. Right now, I just came home. My stay was sixteen months this time. But with winter coming, and the roads getting worse by the week, I've had enough of the oil sands for now. I'll find a job here in Calgary to keep me busy for the winter. It's not hard to find a job in Alberta ! when you're a qualified tradesman. Is the rate of cancer higher in the Athabasca region as compared to other parts of Alberta, or even Canada? I don't know. Is the water being used, abused, mistreated, and peed on (or in)? Absolutely. I've been there. I've seen it. And I've smelled it. Sincerely, Stephen Borsy ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
