Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel and WVO in all liquid cooled Diesel
Hello Richard. Good of you to bring up these thoughts. Diesel oil is a mixture of a number of hundreds different hydrocarbons, which together have the properties as stated in the standards. This means that the properties and the composition of diesel oil will differ depending upon which diesel standard is current. Diesel engine oil is not homogenous. The engine manufacturers have solved this problem by using a special reference diesel fuel for their calibrations and conformity regulations. Biodiesel is usually methyl esters of fatty acids. There are different standards for this, for instance the ASTM norm as well as the EN 14214 norm. There are test methods stated in these standards which the biodiesel should fulfil. That´s it. Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Richard Rovinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 2:58 AM Subject: [Biofuel] biodiesel and WVO in all liquid cooled Diesel I believe you need to ask someone who knows more about biodiesel and the equipment you are powering with it. Of course, the safe answer given by anyone who doesn't know will be no. Investigate their knowledge of biodiesel before asking that question. I think the real answer is...it depends. What is biodiesel specifically? What tests has it passed? Chemically speaking, diesel is diesel is diesel once it is processed. The quality of the processes used to generate a quality product is what you should be investigating, I believe. Any additional byproducts included in the biodiesel may be cause for precautions (due diligence in investigation followed by appropriate courses of action). Since there are so many sources and levels of care taken to make it, they may be right in some cases. Are you planning use it in cold weather, where it might become too thick? So, you may need to blend it with dinodiesel. Has the biodiesel you plan to use been tested to meet any automovitive quality tests for purity, contaminants, particle/size? You may need to test your Biodiesel to be sure, otherwise, you may just take a chance. From what I understand, biodiesel will generally act as a solvent and release any accumulations of dinodiesel residue that may have built up in the tanks of older equipment, and so you may need to inspect and change filters more often, initially. Hope this provides some food for thought. Richard __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel and WVO in all liquid cooled Diesel
Hello Richard, Jason I believe you need to ask someone who knows more about biodiesel and the equipment you are powering with it. Of course, the safe answer given by anyone who doesn't know will be no. Investigate their knowledge of biodiesel before asking that question. I think the real answer is...it depends. What is biodiesel specifically? What tests has it passed? Chemically speaking, diesel is diesel is diesel once it is processed. The quality of the processes used to generate a quality product is what you should be investigating, I believe. Any additional byproducts included in the biodiesel may be cause for precautions (due diligence in investigation followed by appropriate courses of action). Since there are so many sources and levels of care taken to make it, they may be right in some cases. Best is to make it yourself, or buy it from a homebrewer whose operation you've checked, or via a coop you've checked. Checking it and diligence in investigation mean educating yourself first. The Make your own biodiesel pages and the associated pages at Journey to Forever will tell you about quality tests and what they mean and why, and rather more besides. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Make your own biodiesel: Journey to Forever This next will give you a preliminary idea of who makes what kind of biodiesel, not quite what you might expect: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html Biodiesel and your vehicle: Quality Last choice is commercial-grade biodiesel, B20 in the US. Are you planning use it in cold weather, where it might become too thick? So, you may need to blend it with dinodiesel. There are other options: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_winter.html Biodiesel in winter: Journey to Forever Has the biodiesel you plan to use been tested to meet any automovitive quality tests for purity, contaminants, particle/size? You may need to test your Biodiesel to be sure, otherwise, you may just take a chance. Commercial-grade fuel has been approved by a laboratory as within the ASTM standards, but when it started causing problems with people's cars it was withdrawn and a different laboratory found it wasn't within the standards. See above link re who makes what. From what I understand, biodiesel will generally act as a solvent and release any accumulations of dinodiesel residue that may have built up in the tanks of older equipment, and so you may need to inspect and change filters more often, initially. Other information here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html Biodiesel and your vehicle - Compatibility: Filters, Timing, Rubber Hope this provides some food for thought. Richard Hello, I've been looking at different ways to use diesel motors in my lifestyle, burning biodiesel and/or WVO. I've run into several people who've said that this or that particular motor won't burn biodiesel. I'm confused, since I'm fairly sure I've read here and other places that ANY diesel motor with liquid cooling can burn bio There are a couple of 2005-model VWs with newfangled injection systems that won't handle biodiesel, but anything else will. and I believe WVO (with modifications, ie xtra fuel tank, straining grease and heating it to 160 F ) It depends which system you use and what kind of fuel injector pump the vehicle has. Lucas-CAV and Stanadyne pumps may not be suitable. More information here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html Straight vegetable oil as diesel fuel with slight modifications to take into account the solvency of bio. I'm wanting to burn it in my Kubota tractor (new to me, 20+ years old), a replacement pickup for my farm and a perhaps smaller engine to run an electrical generator. We've burnt lots of biodiesel in Kubota tractors, including 20-year-old ones. One farmer with an old tractor changed two seal in the injector pump, $2 for the seals and $8 to have them fitted. But other old tractors didn't have problems anyway. We have such a tractor, a Yanmar not a Kubota but much the same thing. We'll probably put a two-tank SVO system on it. We do have one but we didn't want to use it on the Toyota TownAce, which now has a single-tank Elsbett system. More about this here: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg51618.html Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg51634.html Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg51654.html Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg51624.html Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel No problem with biodiesel and the pickup, and SVO is a good candidate for diesel generators. Please let me know, am I right and these people just don't want to take the chance of being wrong (telling me it can burn bio if it can't) or are wrong? Please also tell me again what modifications to need to be made
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel and WVO in all liquid cooled Diesel engines?
Helow Jason Graves Becuase several information you get confused .The more sure what you want , here in this following list arquives you can find what you want. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ As I undestand , first you need to work raw materil to get clear oil filter it , remove water , try using a mixture upto 20 pocent oil, 5 pocent gasoline to reduce the visscosity and PH the rest petro diesel . Then you can think of buying the eletric heater kit or heat exchanger system from some reliable suppliers. Finally you can make your own Biodiesel so taht there is no need to modify . Sincerly Pannirselvcam Brasil On 7/10/05, graveshouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've been looking at different ways to use diesel motors in my lifestyle, burning biodiesel and/or WVO. I've run into several people who've said that this or that particular motor won't burn biodiesel. I'm confused, since I'm fairly sure I've read here and other places that ANY diesel motor with liquid cooling can burn bio and I believe WVO (with modifications, ie xtra fuel tank, straining grease and heating it to 160 F ) with slight modifications to take into account the solvency of bio. I'm wanting to burn it in my Kubota tractor (new to me, 20+ years old), a replacement pickup for my farm and a perhaps smaller engine to run an electrical generator. Please let me know, am I right and these people just don't want to take the chance of being wrong (telling me it can burn bio if it can't) or are wrong? Please also tell me again what modifications to need to be made (specific hose types to change, etc). Thank you for your input. Sincerely, Jason Graves ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitário CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal210 32171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular 84 88145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] biodiesel and WVO in all liquid cooled Diesel engines?
Hello, I've been looking at different ways to use diesel motors in my lifestyle, burning biodiesel and/or WVO. I've run into several people who've said that this or that particular motor won't burn biodiesel. I'm confused, since I'm fairly sure I've read here and other places that ANY diesel motor with liquid cooling can burn bio and I believe WVO (with modifications, ie xtra fuel tank, straining grease and heating it to 160 F ) with slight modifications to take into account the solvency of bio. I'm wanting to burn it in my Kubota tractor (new to me, 20+ years old), a replacement pickup for my farm and a perhaps smaller engine to run an electrical generator. Please let me know, am I right and these people just don't want to take the chance of being wrong (telling me it can burn bio if it can't) or are wrong? Please also tell me again what modifications to need to be made (specific hose types to change, etc). Thank you for your input. Sincerely, Jason Graves ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] biodiesel and WVO in all liquid cooled Diesel
I believe you need to ask someone who knows more about biodiesel and the equipment you are powering with it. Of course, the safe answer given by anyone who doesn't know will be no. Investigate their knowledge of biodiesel before asking that question. I think the real answer is...it depends. What is biodiesel specifically? What tests has it passed? Chemically speaking, diesel is diesel is diesel once it is processed. The quality of the processes used to generate a quality product is what you should be investigating, I believe. Any additional byproducts included in the biodiesel may be cause for precautions (due diligence in investigation followed by appropriate courses of action). Since there are so many sources and levels of care taken to make it, they may be right in some cases. Are you planning use it in cold weather, where it might become too thick? So, you may need to blend it with dinodiesel. Has the biodiesel you plan to use been tested to meet any automovitive quality tests for purity, contaminants, particle/size? You may need to test your Biodiesel to be sure, otherwise, you may just take a chance. From what I understand, biodiesel will generally act as a solvent and release any accumulations of dinodiesel residue that may have built up in the tanks of older equipment, and so you may need to inspect and change filters more often, initially. Hope this provides some food for thought. Richard __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
