Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein

2011-12-16 Thread Chris Burck
the grip is, indeed, not so deep. but it's a grip of iron, nonetheless. basically, i find people buy into the belief system(s) of the power structure. not because they've been brainwashed or 'implanted' as it were. but because they know it's what's expected. they know it's convenient. this

Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein

2011-12-15 Thread Christian Thalacker
Keith, To better understand the companies people that the Heartland Institute thinks their message resonates with, the attached PDF from the upcoming EUEC (Energy, Utility Environment Conference) conference may be helpful. There is also a copy of the PDF stored on Google Documents:

Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein

2011-12-14 Thread Dawie Coetzee
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011, 19:07 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein Hi Dawie Thankyou, some good points, but overall I think Robert gets closer

Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein

2011-12-14 Thread Christian Thalacker
Keith, As to why the Heartland Institute is a repeat sponsor at serious energy+ conferences and news aggregators, ask the Directors Owners of the two respective firms mentioned: 1. EUEC     http://www.euec.com/directors.aspx          2. epOverviews     

Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein

2011-12-14 Thread Keith Addison
No, that's not what I asked. Wish Stewart @ the Daily Show would make them a weekly feature. Why? Best Keith Keith, As to why the Heartland Institute is a repeat sponsor at serious energy+ conferences and news aggregators, ask the Directors Owners of the two respective firms mentioned:

Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein

2011-12-14 Thread Christian Thalacker
Well Keith,  Dollars to donuts:  Stewart @ the Daily Show (and other independent minded citizens like myself) find the militant we can piss in the soup, who cares! modus operandi of Heartland Institute guests, staff directors funny at best. Except, not really funny. Examples: 7/10 on the

Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein

2011-12-14 Thread Keith Addison
Sorry Christian, I didn't mean to sound ratty. I just don't get it, I don't know anything about Stewart @ the Daily Show. How would it help? By the way: http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=Heartland+Institutel=sustainablelorgbiofuel%40sustainablelists.org 55 hits at the List archives for

Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein

2011-12-14 Thread Christian Thalacker
Well Keith,  Dollars to donuts:  Stewart @ the Daily Show (and other independent minded citizens like myself) find the militant we can piss in the soup, who cares! modus operandi of Heartland Institute guests, staff directors funny at best. Except, not really funny. Examples: 7/10 on the

Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein

2011-12-14 Thread Christian Thalacker
Hi Keith, You don't sound ratty. Like Mark Twain? Then you'll love John Stewart @ the Daily Show. Extended interviews available for free online: http://www.thedailyshow.com/extended-interviews Examples Cheers, Christian On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:24 PM, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein

2011-12-13 Thread Keith Addison
owned one, and never shall. Best regards and Advent greetings Dawie Coetzee From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, 12 December 2011, 20:28 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate

Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein

2011-12-13 Thread Christian Thalacker
The Heartland Institute is a loud proud sponsor at various conferences (EUEC in Phoenix) news aggregators (epOverviews) ... Wish Stewart @ the Daily Show would make them a weekly feature. On Dec 11, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heartland Institute -

Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein

2011-12-13 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Christian The Heartland Institute is a loud proud sponsor at various conferences (EUEC in Phoenix) news aggregators (epOverviews) ... Wish Stewart @ the Daily Show would make them a weekly feature. Why? Best Keith On Dec 11, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein

2011-12-12 Thread robert and benita rabello
On 12/11/2011 10:23 PM, Dawie Coetzee wrote: Actually the ideological error of the American right is small and rather fine. It is centred upon a confusion of personal and corporate rights; and again it plays into corporate hands - from two sides. I'm not confident that's true. Naomi

Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein

2011-12-12 Thread Dawie Coetzee
PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, 12 December 2011, 20:28 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein On 12/11/2011 10:23 PM, Dawie Coetzee wrote: Actually the ideological error of the American right is small and rather fine

Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein

2011-12-11 Thread robert and benita rabello
On 12/11/2011 10:01 AM, Keith Addison wrote: Heartland Institute - SourceWatch http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heartland_Institute -- http://www.thenation.com/article/164497/capitalism-vs-climate Capitalism vs. the Climate Naomi Klein November 9, 2011 There is a question

Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein

2011-12-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Robert Glad you liked it, me too. And sympathies. Bill Blum said this - actually he was talking about US foreign policy, but it fits, sort of: ... My advice is to forget such people. They would support the outrages even if the government came to their homes, seized their first born, and

Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate - Naomi Klein

2011-12-11 Thread Dawie Coetzee
leave the corporations wide open. They would be irrelevant in no time. Regards Dawie Coetzee From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, 12 December 2011, 2:14 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Capitalism vs. the Climate