robert luis rabello wrote:
Michael Redler wrote:

Robert,
 
"...he or she becomes the property of the military and the
commanders will do with every soldier whatever they deem necessary. "
Point taken. But I think it's a bit oversimplified.

    Is it really?  Can an army function without discipline?  When the lieutenant says: "We have orders to secure that hilltop and neutralize enemy resistance," does an enlisted soldier have the right to disagree?

    My wife has a young cousin who joined the Marines a few years ago. Much to his dismay, and his family's distress, the Marine Corps sent him to Fallujah.  He tells us that he didn't want to go there.  He speaks of the situation being horrible and of his life being in constant danger.  But he couldn't say: "No thanks.  I'd rather serve in Guam."
Robert this is particularly interesting to me because it leads me to the question "should an army be able to perform a function if it cannot convince people who volunteered to join it to undertake that function".  The army recognizes this principal itself in that soldier are generally not "ordered" into situations of "extreme danger" which begs the question when people are shooting at you "is there any other kind" (Jack Nicholson in the movie "A Few Good Men").  How is it that an Army is particularly different in this regard than a company?  I run a company full of volunteers, our mission is to defend our environment from unsustainable poisonous energy practices.  No one calls in sick even when the work is hard and nasty and drawing the line at shooting another human being is totally arbitrary, can we poison them?  Does it have to be fast acting or can it be slow acting?  There are many businesses that occupy themselves with getting people to pay them to indiscriminately  kill other people it just appears to be more ethical when they use slow acting poisons or don't use guns than when the do but does that make it more ethical?

How can a military unit prevent:
Soldiers from reporting sick or late or causing transportation equipment to fail?  Of course in earlier wars people would have been shot on the spot and probably where but today in the U.S. the most they will probably do is court martial you and ethical way to clearly state that you disagree with the military.  If more of our soldiers had the courage to accept this "shameing" we would probably have a better more ethical military.

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