[biofuel] Re: (Todd)

2002-06-09 Thread Christian

Thanks Todd.

I assume all other values the same as PS121?

i.e., Sulfur, copper stri corrosion, cloud point, carbon residue, carbon
residue (Ramsbottom), Acid nœmber  Free glycerin.

One question: I tested my carbon residue (closed cup) and it added up to
0,0711% (as opposed to 0,05 specified by ASTM). How critical is this, and
where does this residue come from?

Thanks again,

Christian

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 Christian,

 Here are the specs.

 Flash point (closed cup):  130*C minimum (150*C average)
 Water and sediment:  0.050 % by volume, maximum
 Kinematic viscosity at 40*C:  1.9 - 6.0 mm2/s
 Sulfated ash:  0.020 % by mass, maximum
 Sulfur:  0.05 % by mass, maximum
 Cetane:  47 minimum
 Carbon residue:  0.050 % by mass, maximum
 Total glycerine (free glycerine and unconverted glycerides
 combined):  0.240 % by mass, maximum
 Phosphorous content:  0.001 % by mass, maximum



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 Todd,

 I«ve just asked Keith, but I just as well might ask you.

 Could you send me the BD specs as per ASTM D6751?

 I«m still working with PS121 (which I have), but it seems some
 values have
 been revised.

 Thanks,

 Christian

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   Flash Point: Above 118¼C (ASTM PS121 specifies higher than
  100¼C, so I
   didn«t go much further)
  
   The new ASTM D-6751 standard specifies 130 deg C, I don't
 know
  why.
   Germany and Czech specify 110, all others 100. Maybe it's all
  just
   politics, the rapeseed vs soy game.
 
  Christian and Keith,
 
  As per ASTM D-6751, paragraph X1.21:
 
  The flash point for biodiesel is used as the mechanism to
 limit
  the level of unreacted alcohol remaining in the finished fuel.
 
  As per ASTM D-6751, paragraph X1.22:
 
  The flash point specification for biodiesel is also of
  importance in connection with legal requirements and safety
  precautions involved in fuel handling and storage, and is
  normally specified to meet insurance and fire regulations.
 
  Paragraph X1.23 discusses wide variability with the accepted
 test
  method. This resulted in 130*C being chosen to insure that a
 low
  end flash point of 100*C is never compromised. Improvements to
  testing are being evaluated, which could result in a revised
  standard at some point in the future.
 
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Re: [biofuel] Re: (Todd)

2002-06-09 Thread Appal Energy

Christian,

I don't have PS121 anywhere on file. So I can't say with any
certainty anything other than one was the interim standard and
6751 is the final standard.

As for carbon residue, it's the measure of the carbon depositing
tendencies of a fuel oil, considered to be an approximation.
We haven't received the standard for the particular test method,
so it's pretty difficult to guestimate how critical your variance
would be or if closed cup is the or an accepted method.

Just call me a mushroom at the moment.

Todd Swearingen

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Thanks Todd.

I assume all other values the same as PS121?

i.e., Sulfur, copper stri corrosion, cloud point, carbon residue,
carbon
residue (Ramsbottom), Acid nœmber  Free glycerin.

One question: I tested my carbon residue (closed cup) and it
added up to
0,0711% (as opposed to 0,05 specified by ASTM). How critical is
this, and
where does this residue come from?

Thanks again,

Christian

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 Christian,

 Here are the specs.

 Flash point (closed cup):  130*C minimum (150*C average)
 Water and sediment:  0.050 % by volume, maximum
 Kinematic viscosity at 40*C:  1.9 - 6.0 mm2/s
 Sulfated ash:  0.020 % by mass, maximum
 Sulfur:  0.05 % by mass, maximum
 Cetane:  47 minimum
 Carbon residue:  0.050 % by mass, maximum
 Total glycerine (free glycerine and unconverted glycerides
 combined):  0.240 % by mass, maximum
 Phosphorous content:  0.001 % by mass, maximum



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 Subject: Re: ASTM Flash point was Re: [biofuel] water (Keith)


 Todd,

 I«ve just asked Keith, but I just as well might ask you.

 Could you send me the BD specs as per ASTM D6751?

 I«m still working with PS121 (which I have), but it seems some
 values have
 been revised.

 Thanks,

 Christian

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 Subject: ASTM Flash point was Re: [biofuel] water (Keith)


   Flash Point: Above 118¼C (ASTM PS121 specifies higher than
  100¼C, so I
   didn«t go much further)
  
   The new ASTM D-6751 standard specifies 130 deg C, I don't
 know
  why.
   Germany and Czech specify 110, all others 100. Maybe it's
all
  just
   politics, the rapeseed vs soy game.
 
  Christian and Keith,
 
  As per ASTM D-6751, paragraph X1.21:
 
  The flash point for biodiesel is used as the mechanism to
 limit
  the level of unreacted alcohol remaining in the finished
fuel.
 
  As per ASTM D-6751, paragraph X1.22:
 
  The flash point specification for biodiesel is also of
  importance in connection with legal requirements and safety
  precautions involved in fuel handling and storage, and is
  normally specified to meet insurance and fire regulations.
 
  Paragraph X1.23 discusses wide variability with the accepted
 test
  method. This resulted in 130*C being chosen to insure that a
 low
  end flash point of 100*C is never compromised. Improvements
to
  testing are being evaluated, which could result in a revised
  standard at some point in the future.
 
  Todd Swearingen
 
 
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