Re: [biofuel] why cant I use ethyl alcohol to run a generator?
There are books on how to convert small engines to ethanol... That said, why do so? Even if you produce your own ethanol it won't be cheaper than gasoline, and a small engine uses so little that even if you have access to cheap ethanol the savings would be very small. Arguable. snip If you are set on the ethanol engine/generator and can't find enough info. I think I have a book on ethanol distillation and small engine modification I will try to find. I believe it was called Browns Alcohol fuel cookbook ...or something similar. Lord knows I have built quite a few projects just for the experience. Good luck Dana Linscott See: Ethanol Resources http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html Biofuels Library http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html Mother Earth Alcohol Fuel Manual http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/meToC.html The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual_ToC.html Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] why cant I use ethyl alcohol to run a generator?
NBT - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Or the brake drum wind machine...is that on JTF site, Keith? Nope - got a link, Ed? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ - Original Message - From: Biofuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] why cant I use ethyl alcohol to run a generator? The trouble with a Savonious rotor is that it requires an initial impetus to start - it won't go on its own Try a Darius rotor instead - that goes without a push Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] why cant I use ethyl alcohol to run a generator?
and savonius rotors as i remember are low torque and slow, but add sections and it gets better. Biofuels wrote: The trouble with a Savonious rotor is that it requires an initial impetus to start - it won't go on its own Try a Darius rotor instead - that goes without a push Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Click Here!] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] why cant I use ethyl alcohol to run a generator?
Hi Jim, You cannot use alcohol in a newer Briggs and Stratton because it will attack the rubber parts in the carburetor. If you had a old one with a float type carb. it would work better. Ed Service - Original Message - From: Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 9:47 AM Subject: [biofuel] why cant I use ethyl alcohol to run a generator? I was thinking about building a generator out of a small 3.5 or higher briggs and straton engine, and a voltage regulated alternator. I wanted to use alcohol as a fuel, but I see things in engine manuals such as: ? Do not use gasohal or gasoline alcohol fuel blends. My briggs and straton manual says the same thing, and so do other places, but why? Why can't I use alcohol in the generator? I'm aware that alcohol mixed with gas will burn more completely (possibly burn hotter) but my understanding is that alcohol when burned by itself burns substantially cooler (thus nascar uses it). I'd like to build a small 12 vdc generator out of a gmc or other such alternator with its own voltage regulator, and power it with a briggs and strat or some such engine burning alcohol Suggestions? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] why cant I use ethyl alcohol to run a generator?
The Briggs and Stratton engines are one of the poorest designs in stationery engines, try Honda or other well known Jap makers, they may be more suitable to Methanol. Methanol is used in racing engines primarily because of the fact that more power is available, and when your into pure horsepower gain its the only way to go. The biggest drawback is that the fuel requirement for methanol is 400% higher than gasoline (petrol) usage, carburettor jets have to be bored out so the main drawback is that you will use 4 times the amount of methanol than petrol.. still interested John in Australia ? Do not use gasohal or gasoline alcohol fuel blends. My briggs and straton manual says the same thing, and so do other places, but why? Why can't I use alcohol in the generator? I'm aware that alcohol mixed with gas will burn more completely (possibly burn hotter) but my understanding is that alcohol when burned by itself burns substantially cooler (thus nascar uses it). I'd like to build a small 12 vdc generator out of a gmc or other such alternator with its own voltage regulator, and power it with a briggs and strat or some such engine burning alcohol Suggestions? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] why cant I use ethyl alcohol to run a generator?
Methanol is used in racing engines because it burns at a much lower temperature than petrol, which means that you can use more of it to produce the power without burning the pistons out. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ We give away $70,000 a month! Come to iWin.com for your chance to win! http://us.click.yahoo.com/olMXHC/BJVCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] why cant I use ethyl alcohol to run a generator?
Jim, As the other replies indicate the main reason is that alcohol will melt rubber parts. This can be overcome by replacing them with non rubbe parts.Rubber gaskets can be replaced with silicone based gasket in a tube and if your fuel meter needle has a rubber tip you can replace with a solid or neoprene tip needle. There are books on how to convert small engines to ethanol... That said, why do so? Even if you produce your own ethanol it won't be cheaper than gasoline, and a small engine uses so little that even if you have access to cheap ethanol the savings would be very small. If you want to produce cheap 12volt current...try building a small windmill. There are very simple designs out there among which is a vertical axis design (savoniuos rotor?)which resembles the two halves of a barrel offset about 2/3rds. For less than the cost of the BS engine and mods you can assemble a 12 vold dc generator with no fuel costs. Again there is a lot of information out there. Library should be first stop. If you are set on the ethanol engine/generator and can't find enough info. I think I have a book on ethanol distillation and small engine modification I will try to find. I believe it was called Browns Alcohol fuel cookbook ...or something similar. Lord knows I have built quite a few projects just for the experience. Good luck Dana Linscott --- Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking about building a generator out of a small 3.5 or higher briggs and straton engine, and a voltage regulated alternator. I wanted to use alcohol as a fuel, but I see things in engine manuals such as: ? Do not use gasohal or gasoline alcohol fuel blends. My briggs and straton manual says the same thing, and so do other places, but why? Why can't I use alcohol in the generator? I'm aware that alcohol mixed with gas will burn more completely (possibly burn hotter) but my understanding is that alcohol when burned by itself burns substantially cooler (thus nascar uses it). I'd like to build a small 12 vdc generator out of a gmc or other such alternator with its own voltage regulator, and power it with a briggs and strat or some such engine burning alcohol Suggestions? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ We give away $70,000 a month! Come to iWin.com for your chance to win! http://us.click.yahoo.com/olMXHC/BJVCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
