Re: [swinog] Hardware for testlab

2009-02-16 Diskussionsfäden Pascal Mainini
Hi Marcel you could also use the free sw for real emulation Cisco IOS Routers and switches: Yes, thanks, I'm using them already. I just really like the hardware, the noise and the problems it causes to my appartment floor and electrical installation :-) The other point is, that it's

Re: [swinog] Hardware for testlab

2009-02-16 Diskussionsfäden vwatson
Yes, Pascal: What also is good is the electrical smell in the air when all the gear is booted and running! Ah, nothing like it! And you are right, those 'airplane cockpit' sounds are also nice, especially if you are married jajajaja! Vinnie, the married cisco geek with home lab IN BEDROOM

[swinog] Post from Canton de Vaud

2009-02-16 Diskussionsfäden Andreas Fink
Hello Collegues, Today I got a document sent to us because we are listed as ISP. You probably have all received it as well. Its a case of a Party A against unknown who has said something wrong/ bad about Party A. (Ehrverletzung/Verleumdung etc.) While I can understand that Party A tries to

Re: [swinog] Post from Canton de Vaud

2009-02-16 Diskussionsfäden Mike Kellenberger
What about making the site URL public so as many people as possible can set up a mirror before the filter for original site is installed? Just to show how the Web works and that site filters are no good at all... Besides, Google/Archive.org and others will have a copy as well... Regards,

Re: [swinog] Post from Canton de Vaud

2009-02-16 Diskussionsfäden Mike Kellenberger
just thinking about this again: why don't they force the site operator to take down the site? Would be much easier... Regards, Mike -- Mike Kellenberger mike.kellenber...@escapenet.ch mailto:mike.kellenber...@escapenet.ch Escapenet - the Web Company

Re: [swinog] Post from Canton de Vaud

2009-02-16 Diskussionsfäden Yann Gauteron
If this case would have happened in countries like China, we would have called this censorship... People would have claimed about freedom, and so on... But we are in Switzerland... and in Switzerland, this is only a legal behaviour to protect against diffamation... No comment...

Re: [swinog] Post from Canton de Vaud

2009-02-16 Diskussionsfäden Andreas Fink
I have answered the judge the following in german. I think he's stepping totally over the fence. -- SNIP

[swinog] RIPE: LIR Training Course in Zurich

2009-02-16 Diskussionsfäden Steven Glogger
hi there for those not reading RIPE mails. the next NCC LIR Training Course is in Zurich: Location: Zurich, Switzerland Swissotel Zurich Date: Friday, March 20, 2009 registration as usual over your lirportal login ,-) -steven ___ swinog

Re: [swinog] Post from Canton de Vaud

2009-02-16 Diskussionsfäden Steven Glogger
it will be interesting to see the reaction from those guys on that reply ,-)) -steven Andreas Fink wrote: I have answered the judge the following in german. I think he's stepping totally over the fence.

Re: [swinog] Post from Canton de Vaud

2009-02-16 Diskussionsfäden Mike Kellenberger
Let's discuss it some more and we'll make news on heise.de once again http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Schweizer-Richterin-verlangt-Website-Sperrung-von-Providern--/meldung/33051 :-) Regards, Mike -- Mike Kellenberger mike.kellenber...@escapenet.ch Escapenet - the Web

Re: [swinog] Post from Canton de Vaud

2009-02-16 Diskussionsfäden Andreas Fink
I have answered the judge the following in german. I think he's stepping totally over the fence. -- SNIP

Re: [swinog] Post from Canton de Vaud

2009-02-16 Diskussionsfäden Andreas Fink
Its about the same content I believe. But very questionable legal wording from the judge. And I found it very questionable to involve all ISP's into the case as part of the order without hearing them and without giving them the right to oppose. This means we MUST SPEAK or we have silently

Re: [swinog] Post from Canton de Vaud

2009-02-16 Diskussionsfäden Alexandre Suter
Andreas Fink wrote: I have answered the judge the following in german. I think he's stepping totally over the fence. We [1] received two letters recently, one in the second half of December iirc, which said that we had to block access to a bunch of websites, and a second one yesterday, which

Re: [swinog] Post from Canton de Vaud

2009-02-16 Diskussionsfäden Yann Gauteron
It would also be interesting to have a lawyer opinion concerning this kind of orders from some judges (cantonaux / kantonale). If such a decision should be applied over all the ISPs in Switzerland, should it not be ordered (if the law permit it) by a Swiss judge and not a Vaud, nor a Zürich one ?

Re: [swinog] Post from Canton de Vaud

2009-02-16 Diskussionsfäden roger
Im wondering why this guy taking a big risk in creating those pages somebody must have triggered that sickness. I wonder as well how much affraid and fearfull somebody is to try to shut this pages down. And in this Cat and Mouse game all ISP have to getting involved ? If the justice running out

Re: [swinog] Post from Canton de Vaud

2009-02-16 Diskussionsfäden Yann Gauteron
In this topic, Andreas and Roger you are asking who should pay to implement these measures... I'm sad to tell you that YOU probably will have to pay for that. Despite your hope, I am pretty sure that (if a law making that appliable does exist) nobody except you (and at the end your customers if