Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-08 Diskussionsfäden Marco Fretz
Tonnerre Lombard wrote: Salut, Per, On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:41:47 +0200, Per Jessen wrote: I am 99% an open source _user_, and I have only written very few patches. Which proves my point, I think. So let me summarize. The fact that we all can fix things and only a few people do it means

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Guazzoni Daniele, CH
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [swinog] open source illusions Silvan Gebhardt wrote: I guess it's not about Fixing but also expanding small example: I use a extension to my gnome panel called SSH Menu I can add hosts which it opens me a ssh session in a terminal just by clicking on the menu entry

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Beat Rubischon
Hello! Am 07.10.08 14:33 schrieb Jeroen Massar unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Better then to pay the closed source folks and let them do it, as they will also maintain the changes for yo. Each day I work with Open Source and Closed Source tools and applications. Usually I see commercial software

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
Guazzoni Daniele, CH wrote: Open does not implicitly mean crap and closed also don’t mean automatically good... Actually I'm sick and tired I hope you get better soon *wink* of discussions regarding opensource as most of the time they just flame up (as here). See the subject line that I

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
Beat Rubischon wrote: Hello! Am 07.10.08 14:33 schrieb Jeroen Massar unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Better then to pay the closed source folks and let them do it, as they will also maintain the changes for yo. Each day I work with Open Source and Closed Source tools and applications. Usually

Re: [swinog] open source illusions (was: Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?))

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Per Jessen
Tonnerre Lombard wrote: Salut, Per, On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:01:24 +0200, Per Jessen wrote: fixing something yourself is also pretty much an illusion, except for those few people who are sufficiently involved. When have you last _had_ to fix anything yourself in a stable release of any open

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Per Jessen
Silvan Gebhardt wrote: I guess it's not about Fixing but also expanding small example: I use a extension to my gnome panel called SSH Menu I can add hosts which it opens me a ssh session in a terminal just by clicking on the menu entry. now I wanted to expand that to include RDP

[swinog] open source illusions (was: Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?))

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Per Jessen
Tonnerre Lombard wrote: I think that the advantage of Open Source does indeed lie in the fact that you have the ability to fix things yourself, Hi Tonnerre fixing something yourself is also pretty much an illusion, except for those few people who are sufficiently involved. When have you

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Silvan Gebhardt
I guess it's not about Fixing but also expanding small example: I use a extension to my gnome panel called SSH Menu I can add hosts which it opens me a ssh session in a terminal just by clicking on the menu entry. now I wanted to expand that to include RDP Sessions - okay - took the code, and

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
Silvan Gebhardt wrote: I guess it's not about Fixing but also expanding small example: I use a extension to my gnome panel called SSH Menu I can add hosts which it opens me a ssh session in a terminal just by clicking on the menu entry. now I wanted to expand that to include RDP

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Attila Kinali
Hoi Beat, On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:07:45 +0200 Beat Rubischon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The major advantage for OpenSource is the visibility of the code - no code monkey is able to hide 20 years old buggy crap when he needs to provide the sources. Believe me, this is a great motivation for a lot

Re: [swinog] open source illusions (was: Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?))

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Tonnerre Lombard
Salut, Per, On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:01:24 +0200, Per Jessen wrote: fixing something yourself is also pretty much an illusion, except for those few people who are sufficiently involved. When have you last _had_ to fix anything yourself in a stable release of any open source project? Being a

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Tonnerre Lombard
Salut, king of the huns, On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:40:13 +0200, Attila Kinali wrote: Anyone who has ever written more than a few lines of C code knows that gcc is crap... unfortunately, it's the best compiler out there. The comercial compilers usualy segfault at every second file of my favorite

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Per Jessen
Marc Balmer wrote: actually indent(1), a program to indent and format C program source bears a copyright from 1976: * Copyright (c) 1976 Board of Trustees of the University of Illinois. 32 years. And still useful. And this is the oldest copyright I could find in an operating system

Re: [swinog] open source illusions (was: Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?))

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Peter Keel
* on the Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 02:01:24PM +0200, Per Jessen wrote: fixing something yourself is also pretty much an illusion, except for those few people who are sufficiently involved. When have you last _had_ to fix anything yourself in a stable release of any open source project? We've